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Novels Collaboration of the Month

You supported The Scarlet Letter, which has been selected as the Novels WikiProject's new Collaboration of the Month. Please help improve this article towards featured article standard. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 10:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Delany tagging

I noticed that you've been very busy tagging and cleaning up various novel-related pages, including several new articles regarding the works of Samuel R. Delany. I'm sure you'll find these eventually, but I wanted to be sure that you are aware of the pages for the Return to Neveryon series. They are in need of tagging. Thanks, --Kdring 17:07, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation to join the project. I will think about it -- I must admit that I'm fairly new to Wikipedia, even though I have done a fair amount of editing over the last few months. I should also say that I'd be pretty much restricting what I do to Delany's work. And furthermore, I'm not really sure just how much time I would have available. But as I said, I'll think about it. Thanks again, --Kdring 18:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Took your suggestion on the Return to Neveryon discussion page and added a references section to the article. --Kdring 23:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
While I'm asking . . . would you mind rating Empire Star as well? Thanks! --Kdring 06:48, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Further questions about the Return to Neveryon article (thanks, BTW, for your citation corrections). When I found it, the four individual volumes were included as separate sections of the main article. At the time, it seemed best to break them off into their own individual articles (the way the article was written certainly lent itself to that). Now I'm not so sure that was the best course. I think that it would be quite silly to repeat major sections of the main article on each page, but it seems that neither the main article nor the individual volume articles will seem complete without the other. What are your thoughts on re-integrating the volume articles into the main article? --Kdring 19:53, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Novels Wikiproject scope

Hi, I have a question about the scope of the project. Are Japanese light novels considered out of scope? If so, I apologize for tagging all those articles. I assumed they were within scope because the ones I'm familiar with (Boogiepop and Kino no Tabi) do read like young adult novels, if perhaps sometimes a little experimental (Boogiepop's nonlinear structure). Since Vampire Hunter D was tagged as part of the project, I thought other translated works like it were included as well. My apologies for the extra work. -- 9muses 18:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I think what might be confusing is the fact light novels are known for having illustrations in an anime/manga style but those illustrations don't make up the bulk of the content. To be honest, there are usually no more than 10 or so illustrations per 200-page light novel, in my experience. I'm not entirely sure what criteria we're using to define "novel" but light novels in structure and narrative are definitely not like manga or graphic novels since they use only prose to tell the story, rather than an interaction of narration and artwork. If you've read the later Valdemar novels by Mercedes Lackey (the Storm trilogies), those are the types of illustrations I'm talking about, only they're in an anime/manga style rather than pseudo-realistic.
Content-wise, it could be argued that the action many light novels contain are more in line with the action you'd find in anime/manga, but that's a value judgement I'm not entirely comfortable making since it can be arbitrary and to be fair, the action is no more fantastic than what you'd find in many genre fantasy novels or recent Western YA novels like Sam Enthoven's Black Tattoo. -- 9muses 11:42, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter: Issue VIII - January 2007

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter
Issue VIII - January 2007
Project news
  • Welcome to a new calendar year (for most of us!)
  • During this year we have seen huge a growth in the number of editors contributing to the project and a massive increase in the number of articles linked to the project. We have managed to raise the quality of significant numbers of articles. But with this ever changing beast that is wikipedia there is no room of complacency and there is a mountain of editing work still to do. The member project space has developed and the latest developments are more Outreach options for your use and the establishment of the first "Task Force" for special interest areas within the overall purview of the project.
  • There are now well over 7000 articles taged as part of the project!
Member news
  • The project has currently 192 members, 15 joined & 1 leavers since the last newsletter at the start of November 2006.
Other news
Auto list news
Current debates
From the Members

Welcome to the eighth issue of the Novels WikiProject's newsletter! Use this newsletter as a mechanism to inform yourselves about progress at the project and please be inspired to take more active roles in what we do.

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Collaboration of the Month
Newsletter challenge

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Thanks for the heads up

Yes, I could defend my work on The Castle, but why? I think it is good, others think it is a High School paper. I learned a huge amount while doing far more than in the article, not to mention the same thing for The Trial (never posted). But I drove into Wikipedia to try to contribute what I was learning and share it with others. What I think I found was that there was a group of people (probably small) that "have a better way", or finally have some power, and you have to defend yourself to them. Not my interest in this in the slightest. Many of my articles have been cut to bits or looked down upon. At the same time I can use the work for my own and benefit from that directly.

Thanks for your help. The Wikipedia experience was very interesting but shows too much of the underbelly of human nature I despise.

Todd 03:43, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

British English tag

Hello, I was hoping to use the British English tag on my Wiktionary user page but apparently it only works on Wikipedia...Do you know if I have to use another template or anything on Wiktionary?Zigzig20s 12:17, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Series of fantasy books

Hi Kevin, thanks for your contribution to the discussion at Series of fantasy books. Unfortunately, I'm currently a bit confused by it! Would you be prepared to rewrite it, please, as I can't see where you are coming from?

I think the clearest proposals so far would leave individual books in subcategories by series, under a top category (A). There will also be a category (B) for articles about series. What we need to decide is whether A and B should be the same; I think they should.

Did I just say it more clearly than it's been said before? If so, feel free to recycle the above comment! Fayenatic london 14:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

OK - Thanks! Fayenatic london

Newsletter Corrections

I added that half jokingly ... just as newspapers have similar sections. feydey 12:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Call of Cthulhu

I've generally been putting the Inspiration and Reaction sections before the Synopsis, with the idea of emphasizing the out-of-universe discussion over the in-universe plot summary. Nareek 17:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for assessments

Thanks for the assessments on the book articles I've written. Just to let you know, about the references and criticism sections, for now I want to get the articles out there cause there is a lot on the subject, and then I'll go back into my copies and get sources and try to dig up some criticisms. Thanks mate! DoomsDay349 18:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

For the term of his natural life

Thanks for your work on that - I have a number of much older copies in storage - but chose receent ? australian editions - have yet to find a cite for an usa edition - I used to live on the west coast of tas - my user page photo is from the island looking east - anyways - I have stretched myself into too many threads - will try to find more later - thanks again SatuSuro 14:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

I can't let all your Novels editing go un thanked. You are putting in stirling work on adding infomation to the infoboxes etc. You are considerably inproving our stock of articles, thanks. I am trying to encourage the user who used a Bot the generate the lists to run a refresh, but he seems to be off on other things.

HI Kevin I appreciate it. I have a goal to finish off the main list before the next newsletter goes out. After that I'll probably hit one of the other work lists and maybe update my user page with other projects to do. Mainly I'm going to keep working on the lists, for some odd reason I really like all the detail work :) If there is one inparticluar you think should be hit next I'll go there. Cheers & Happy edits Jask99 19:19, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for the feedback! Liz 00:46, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

And more thanks!

For your kind comments during the behemoth xx by yy discussion. Cheers, Her Pegship (tis herself) 01:01, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Shift to guest

Thanks for your kind note. It is a bit embarrassing to have to admit, that the reason I gave for shifting to guest was only part of the truth. Yes, I am busy as I start to embark on my Master's thesis, but there was another reason. Foremost amongst these is that looking at the [[1]] page, I feel that a huge flame war is simmering and will erupt soon. I do not want to be part of that. Perhaps were the criteria for rating importance more concrete it might be avoided. If I may quote myself from another talk page:

I am not opposed to assessment per se. But if I may steal from the ideas of educational assessment, the ideas of validity and reliability are critical. One should establish a set of criteria (a rubric) which defines clearly what the levels of importance are. This should enable any person assessing an article to establish the importance of it and any other person based on the criteria should reach the same conclusion. This occurs if the rubric is reliable. In respect of validity, the rubric should measure what it puports to and not its creators biases.

As a note - neither should it reflect the assessor's biases.

People have their favourites and so the topic is emotive - hence flames. (((

Loyola 09:10, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Article grade for Dhalgren

Kevin,

Back in July, you rated the Dhalgren article as B-class. I have since expanded and edited the article (along with other contributors, of course), removing hyperbole and adding references in the process. What might be needed to move this article higher up the scale? I'd be happy to attempt further enhancements, I just need a pointer or two.

Thanks, --Kdring 22:10, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Heroes and heroines

Thanks for your support! <KF> 11:52, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Short story infobox...

Hi, I've noticed that you've been changing a lot of the "media type" spaces from anthology or magazine to "print" - the {{Infobox short story}} box is designed to work differently from the novels box, and the media type space is meant to indicate how it was published (i.e. magazine, anthology, etc). At least, that's what I intended when I created it, and that's still what it says on the template's talk page.  :) I figured you might have a bot set to automatically fix the book templates and told it to fix the story ones the same way. If you think the short story box should be used differently, we can bring it up on the novels project talk page and see how other people feel; I'm relatively ambivalent, and just want to be consistent.  :) -Elizabennet | talk 19:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I like your points, and agree the two infoboxes should be similar (especially if the fields have the same name, heh), so I added in a new field for the publication type. I also commented on the talk page of the infobox, but wanted to let you know here too. -Elizabennet | talk 20:52, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

DONE

This Infobox Incomplete is DONE!!!! there are still 28 Unfindables left but I'm not messing with them anymore. Cheers Jask99 01:54, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

In Re: Sherlock Holmes

First off, I want to thank you for cleaning up and rating all those articles that I've added.

I would like to question the name change you made to "In Re: Sherlock Holmes"--The Adventures of Solar Pons. I have a copy of the first edition. Both the title, and the half-title pages have "In Re: Sherlock Holmes" in a large font and then The Adventures of Solar Pons in a smaller font on the next line (and no dashes) which would seem to indicate the usual title, subtitle arrangement. The bibliographies I've been using as sources list it differently. Jaffrey, Chalker-Owings and Joshi all list the book as I originally titled the article (with the exception of their using a long dash where I used two dashes to simulate it). August Derleth lists it in the same manner in Thirty Years of Arkham House (1970). Nielsen lists it at "In Re: Sherlock Holmes" only. Anyway, viewing the two parts (of my original article title) as title and a subtitle, the rename of the article seems appropriate. I also agree that the removal of the quotation marks makes sense. I'm wondering, however, if inclusion of the subtitle is appropriate for either the introductory paragraph, or the infobox. Additionally, I think the quotation marks would be appropriate in the same places (they are inlcuded both the cover and the title pages. Do you agree? --Rtrace 22:45, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I've added the full title back to the lead line, infobox, etc. I certainly agree with the shorter title for the article itself. I also added UK titling under the reprints section. Derleth certainly did pick an odd title for this one. Thanks again. - Ron --Rtrace 01:28, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Book cover

This is to let you know that I've orphaned the fair use image Image:Dred stowe-larger.jpg, and replaced it with Image:Stowe Dred first edition.jpg, an image in the public domain. For more information, see the book cover replacement project. Thanks. Chick Bowen 03:31, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

The issue you raise--titles vs. covers--has come up before. The problem is that many nineteenth-century covers were quite plain, in which case the title page seems like a better illustration. In this case, a photograph of the cover (damaged, unfortunately) is here; we can include it of course--what do you think? Chick Bowen 20:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

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Re: Quixote article feedback

Firstly, thank you for responding about the Quixote article.

Next, please accept apologies for boneheadedness and other irritants. Lame excuse: I did not familiarize myself with the guidelines for this project; frankly didn't realize such existed.

Since my efforts have been both beneficial and a bit of a headache, I shall firstly read up on the project guidelines and also refrain from further development until such time as a consensus and etc. accumulate in the talk pages. Since others are better versed in the wikinesses of the project, I defer to better judgment.

I will follow with interest. Am of course, am glad to have added to the health and general wellbeing.

Verily, Ricardo / PlasticDoor 23:05, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Best wishes from Guatemala.

Barnstar Award

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
For your efforts in exposing Sovereign Publications as a vanity publisher on a notability issue, I award you this Barnstar as a message of thanks. Chris 14:34, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Many thanks, accuracy is what it is all about. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 14:41, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Assessment

You recently applied an assessment to Tales of Science and Sorcery. I'm trying to understand the process here. Is this just your own opinion, or was there a discussion somewhere? (Please note that I'm not questioning this one at all, I just want to make sure I proceed correctly in any assessments I might contribute to elsewhere, so I'm looking for a clear explanation of how people do it.) Avt tor 16:49, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Bah. I created the Wikipedia:WikiProject Science Fiction/Assessment by cutting-and-pasting from similar WikiProjects. The answer to my question, which I found on the WP:Novels FAQ, is also on the WP:SF FAQ. I should read the page I created. Thanks very much for your help. Avt tor 17:15, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Also I appreciate the effort you're taking in recategorizing articles. I'm trying to unscramble some of the science fiction stuff, but I'm taking a conservative incremental approach. Some books contain collections of short stories which together are supposed to form some sort of coherent novel, so in my eyes, removing the novel category is a separate step from cleaning up the short story collection category. Avt tor 17:20, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Smiley Award

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Quijote page is being vandalized

Are you an admin? The Quijote article is being repeatedly vandalized by a Scottnelson2318. --PlasticDoor 22:06, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Novels Collaboration of the Month

You supported Midnight's Children, which has been selected as the Novels WikiProject's new Collaboration of the Month. Please help improve this article towards featured article standard. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 15:19, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Science Fiction

Thanks for your help. Improvements and suggestions greatly appreciated. Avt tor

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Science fiction task force

I certainly think it would be a good idea for groups with a common interest or objective to work together. To get buy-in, we could mention this on the respective project discussion pages. WikiProject Science Fiction is relatively new; we're still working on the basics, so to my knowledge we haven't got organized enough to, say, recruit members. The shared task force would be a great idea with WikiProject Television as well; there are a lot of highly-motivated but narrowly-focused people there, and getting them to work cooperatively could greatly improve the quality of articles. I have a sense that "Science Fiction" can pull in a disparate group of people, while "Novels" probably attracts more English majors who perhaps have a bit more focus and expertise, so cooperation could be very beneficial. Avt tor 15:36, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that's exactly what your idea made me think. We can get the science fiction/novels task force running and, later, use it as a model for other cooperative efforts. I'm sorry if it sounds sacrilegious, but I barely read a dozen novels a year, so that isn't my real focus, but there are other people much more knowledgeable than me. I'm working at creating the illusion of organization to make it easier for other people to contribute substantively. :) Avt tor 15:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
I have (finally) looked at the task force page. It looks good. I'm still somewhat new to this WikiProject stuff. It is not clear to me how this will be linked from WP:SF, though; I presume the purpose here is to ensure consistency while also drawing on a wider range of interested editors, so I think it needs to be linked in some obvious way from both projects. Avt tor 17:28, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

FSM Cover Art

Just wanted to let you know that the image used here is the first edition cover. While it is an odd thing to do, the cover art is white with an image of what would become the hardcover edition. I've also made a note of this in the article. - Quolnok 02:41, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Novels newsletter : Issue IX - February 2007

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter
Issue IX - February 2007
Project news
  • The month has been a quiet one for the project with little obvious interaction, although editors have been very busy working on article improvement, recategorisation, and assessments. The Short story task force have been slowly adding staff and working mostly in the early stages to tag existing "short story" and "short story collection" articles.
Member news
  • The project has currently 204 members, 13 joined & 1 leavers since the last newsletter at the start of January 2007
Other news
  • The Short story task force now has 6 participants, do join in if you have an interest. Also do let us know if other Task Forces could be established.
Auto list news
  • NovelsInCompleteInfobox worklist has been worked through, mainly due to the efforts of Jask99; it has now only the most difficult to complete. Please give it a look and if you can complete an infobox, please do. We should soon get a rerun with the latest article additions generated courtesy of user Eagle.
Current debates
Worklist "Projectified"

These two lists have been culled from the main Wikipedia but others thought they would serve as a good worklist for the project to use as article hitlist, so they are here for your pleasure.
From the Members

Welcome to the ninth issue of the Novels WikiProject's newsletter! Use this newsletter as a mechanism to inform yourselves about progress at the project and please be inspired to take more active roles in what we do.

We would encourage all members to get more envolved and if you are wondering what with, please ask.

Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk), Initiating Editor
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Newsletter challenge

Last months Fictional locations challenge was met by the user Loom91 (talk · contribs) with a modest start that rapidly got expanded a short stub that survived tagging for deletion and then expanding by a number of editors to something quite useful. Along the way it got (correctly!) renamed to Fictional location.

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Re: New Novels News ready for delivery

I got your message, but I'm experiencing severe network problems at home at the moment, and if i can't get to office because i'm travelling, there is no way for me to get my hands on AWB...

So, some deliveries are a bit late these days...

Cheers, Grafikm (AutoGRAF) 09:05, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Nigel Tranter

Kevin: thanks for looking at the Nigel Tranter pages. You're right about the misleading titles: I didn't think it through enough when I created the pages. Changing it to '...set before..' etc is a good idea, but perhaps the titles are just too clumsy/complicated altogether. I'll leave it a little while before making changes in the hope someone (maybe even me) comes up with something a bit simpler. Or, perhaps make them the long, descriptive title with pages created with shorter titles as redirect pages (like a shortcut) to make linking easier. I'm new at all this, so I'm not familiar with how its usually done. Thanks for your help so far. Gwinva 11:30, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks again!

Hi Kevin, thanks for the appreciation in the newsletter and the suggestions on my talk page. I think I'm getting the hang of the categories/subcategories. Finally got enough main space edits in for AWB approval and will be working in short stories at the end of next week. Jask99 18:22, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Article split of Olympic cross country skiing medalists

Have you looked at the List of Olympic medalists in cross-country skiing recently? Do you want this split by gender to make this article easier to load? It is 40 kB right now. Chris 15:48, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

The Working Man's Barnstar
For all your hard work taking care of the Novels project and getting all the way done with an extremely huge assements list! Jask99 00:58, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Animorphs

Your right about the notability. I did a little checking and the series has 54 books, it was popular, for 1 year the cable station Nickelodion made a tv show with it, and Gameboy made a game of it at about the same time, also seemed like I found some Happy Meal & transformer toys made from the characters. I think only the tv show hits anywhere near the notability for books. The rest of it looks like a small group took on the project, made some strides with it, and then quit last fall. It's a bit of a mess, I'll see if I can get something done with infoboxes and cats in a bit. Jask99 03:08, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Next Thursday the 22nd looks good right now. I've got 3 big tests and a sick family at the moment but will let you know if I can start earlier. Also I don't know anything about making or fixing templates but the on that they've made up starting with book 13 - 50 I think, all redirect to a list of Animorphs books covers Jask99 22:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Good to get back to it today. I got infoboxes, 3 cats. and a little work on the begining paragraph done between the first two books. The Invasion (Animorphs) & The Visitor (Animorphs) still need a bunch of work between external links, references and the body of the text but I figure we can take it in steps. Do have a small question about the images. When i transfer to our infobox I have to put in ###px should this be 150, 175, or 200? Happy Edits Jask99 00:08, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

catalyst

Hello! I noticed you have listed Catalyst (novel) as a low importance article. However, this book is widely used in high school reading list in the state of New York, which I reside in. Please reconsider this listing. Thank you!

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Re: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_February_1#Category:Biographies

I think the consensus of the debate was a renaming to Category:Biographies (books) not Category:Biography books... Your thoughts? feydey 03:21, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I'll ask the closer of discussion to review, Radiant. Let's see. feydey 08:45, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Novels WikiProject

I received your gracious invitation to join this project. Do I list my name or do I simply follow the tasks proposed by this group?--Drboisclair 15:20, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Fantasy story stubs

Hi Kevin! Pursuant to your side proposal about {{fantasy-story-stub}} / Cat:Fantasy short story stubs, I would suggest you propose that type and hold off on the fantasy short story collection stubs. If you look at the {{sf-story-stub}} wording, it includes both stories and story collections, and I think it would be appropriate to start with that sort of scope. Just my 2¢; cheers! Her Pegship (tis herself) 17:29, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Witches of Karres

Thanks for your improvement to the article!

Happy reading--Pete Tillman 02:32, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Short story task force

Question... maybe this isn't officially established, but where do you recommend Wikisource links go on short story pages? I see them in boxes in the plot summary but also in the external links section. Is there a preference? Midnightdreary 03:20, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

UserPage

Just wanted to give you a heads up, lest you think I vandalized your user-page. I corrected a link to a disambiguation page ... from IndyCars to Indy Racing League. If I made a mistake, my apologies, but if you wouldn't mind, please let me know as I don't make the mistake again in the future. Cheers, PaddyM 20:28, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Science humour

Howdy. I just wrote Science humour, on the basis of Mathematical joke. Could you take a peek in, see if it meets the look-and-feel of Wikipedia, and maybe add a bit to the section Science Humour in Fiction? Cheers, samwaltz 12:28, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Had a look but not sure it is something I know much about, nice little article though. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 08:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Re:Children'sLiteratureWikiProject template

Its fine by me. KGV 10:26, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Well I didn't start the project and I think I am probably the only one working on it right now. I think help will be welcomed. But in the joint force, most members will be on your project as there is little participants in our project right now. KGV 10:55, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Kingbot

Do you happen to know when this is likely to updated to work with the latest AWB. If this isn't kept alive - it will die. And project doing assessments are finding it extremely useful. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 10:22, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Between Steve and myself, we have got the AWB plugin working with the SVN versions of AWB. However, the thing that is holding us back is a change of the settings saving/loading methods for plugins. We have only had limited success saving/loading the settings, and therefore, haven't released a new version of the plugin. It would be possible for us to release a version based on the SVN version, but save/load functionality of settings would not be avaliable. With AWB due to change its check page method for the next release version (of course, if needed, AWB 3.0.4.1 can be left on the old check page), it would be ideal if we could get it sorted out. If you would want a version (without save!!), we could do this, but i am going to try and see if we can sort out save. Progress is ongoing, just not at a fast rate!! Reedy Boy 10:28, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Confessor

thanks for fixing all those links to the Confessor entry after you moved it to its proper location! :) Sorry I'm such a noob and you have to clean up after me. hehe --DragonGuyver 18:22, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Novels Collaboration of the Month

You supported Adam Bede, which has been selected as the Novels WikiProject's new Collaboration of the Month. Please help improve this article towards featured article standard. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 09:56, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Simon Templar a stub?

Surely not, it's a huge article, lots of sections, images, etc. Quite thorough. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 16:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I have to protest as well. Since I'm involved in the article in a substantial way, ethically I cannot rate it or change the rating myself, but based upon the criteria of the quality scales, this should be at least a B-class. Or if you don't agree, at the very least Start class based upon the amount of content. 23skidoo 16:47, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
PS. Looks like you already made the change -- thanks! 23skidoo 16:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Speaking of Templar

Thanks for making the fix! Speaking of the Templar article, I want to take the book/story list and make it it's own article. I'm a little hesitant to do that as it's becoming a bit harder these days to sneak list-style articles past AFD. Are you aware of any similarly formatted articles related to novels or short story collections that I can use as a template? 23skidoo 16:55, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Do you think the chart as it's currently formatted would work as-is? (Obviously with an introduction). The only change I might make would be to include thumbnails of the book cover images, except a) I might me pressing my luck given the current crackdown on fair use including the spectre of this affecting book covers and b) I've been able to locate and upload only a very few first edition covers and those should be the ones thumbnailed. 23skidoo 17:00, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll see what I can do, though it won't be till later today as I have to get back to "real" work for now. 23skidoo 17:10, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Plugin

Hi Kevin. We have programatic support for {{NovelsWikiProject}} coming in the next release; I plan to finish and test it tommorow. Could you please add an auto=yes parameter to the template? Any last minute requests or workgroup additions? (Please reply to User talk:Kingbotk/Plugin). --kingboyk 22:45, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Tlön, Uqbar, Orbis Tertius

I don't have an issue if the "novels" wikiproject wants to also take on short stories, but what does it mean when you tagged it a few weeks ago as needing a photo of the first edition? Are you saying that we should turn up an image of the cover of the 1940 Argentine literary magazine in which it originally occurred, or what? (I think this is probably just wrong; if you can sort it out on the article talk page, great, but if you just respond here please ping me on my user talk page so I know to look.) - Jmabel | Talk 01:16, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter: Issue X - March 2007

The Novels WikiProject Newsletter
Issue X - March 2007
Project news
  • We are on the cusp of having 9000 novel and other narrative prose articles tagged as part of the project. With this volume of articles, we need all the editorial help we can get.
  • Now there are three Task Forces ("Short story", "Science Fiction" & "Crime") - see below
Member news
  • The project has currently 214 members, 8 joined & 1 leavers since the last newsletter at the start of February 2007
Other news
  • The Assessment department has managed to assess (in some form) nearly all the main articles. The emphasis will now change to identifying needed article improvement, however keeping a watch on newly tagged articles with a view to properly assess those.
  • A new Peer review department has kicked off with one of my early articles as a starting point. Please do give it a look, start reviewing and suggest other articles that you believe could benefit from another pair of eyes.
  • The Children and Young Adult Literature portal was created by User:KGV, go take a look.
Auto list news
  • Currently stalled - if anyone has the means to help out here with re-generation of these list - please do!
Current debates
  • The End of Fair Use? is notification of a serious debate going on across WikiPedia.
  • Another possible problem hasn't really got going as a debate but maybe should have. It highlights a need to put in content to articles that asserts "notability" and gives proper referencing to articles.
Task Forces
Project volunteers
  • Volunteers needed - if any members feel able to take on project tasks such as leading Task Forces, editing this Newsletter, monitoring and maintaining the Announcements template, heading up Outreach activity, managing Collaboration or Assessment activity or anything else you believe needs special attention, please let us know.
From the Members

Welcome to the tenth issue of the Novels WikiProject's newsletter! Use this newsletter as a mechanism to inform yourselves about progress at the project and please be inspired to take more active roles in what we do.

We would encourage all members to get more involved and if you are wondering what with, please ask.

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Collaboration of the Month
Newsletter challenge

Last months A Taste for Death challenge was met by the user Barbara Osgood (talk · contribs) with a brief stub .... again this could still handle some development.

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Kenb215's Newsletter

You were getting it as a member of the project. But opting out should have stemmed the flow. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 08:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

That would make sense, except I'm not a member anymore. I used to be, but left when I realized I wasn't contributing anything. For some reason, though, I was still receiving the newsletter. I couldn't find my name on any lists, and my user page isn't in the category for WikiProject Novel participants.
The only thing I can think of that might be causing this is if the bot checks user pages that are currently on its list for a link to the project, which my page has in a transcluded template, to confirm that the person is still signed up. -- kenb215 talk 15:57, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
You were getting it as a member of the project. But opting out should have stemmed the flow. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 08:43, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Have a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Novels/Members I think that is you name! :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 16:00, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm not sure how I missed that; it's pasted all over the project. -- kenb215 talk 19:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Assessments with plugin

You need to remove the edit summary ("Tagging"), as I modified it to create a complete edit summary automatically.

Is it working OK? I ironed out a few bugs and made things a bit simpler internally, hopefully it's a bit more robust now.

Please reply at the plugin talk page re your requirements for WP Novels. --kingboyk 13:48, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Have you tried this? It seems to be way more popular than my plugin for assessments, so maybe you should try it. --kingboyk 12:09, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikibreak & Animorphs

Hey Kevin, meant to get back into this but only got through the first 5 animorph books. I'm taking a wikibreak for a month or two depending and will pick the project back up then. I'm sure I'll be in editing something just not as much as I was. Happy Edits Jask99 17:10, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

The Dragon Reborn

Hi,

I think I accidentally deleted all the EL, thanks for putting that one back in. Question about the 'Release details' section - is it needed? The ISBN is already in the Infobox? Does it need both?

Thanks,

WLU 19:11, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks a lot for the invite to Novels WikiProject. :) TwoOars 17:38, 15 March 2007 (UTC)


Olympics WikiProject membership update

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Because your username appears on the members list, we kindly ask you visit this page and put your name under the appropriate section, using the code #{{user|USERNAME}}, in order to renew or cancel your membership.

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Images: Fair use and copyright issues

hi, i have some doubts regarding the use of cover images in book infoboxes...

1. Is it ok to scan / photograph a book cover and use it? Would it be copyright infringement?

2. Would it be considered 'Fair use' if i used an image from a website (say, Amazon.com) because i would not be using the picture to get a profit, nor does it hurt their business? Thanks for your time. TwoOars (T | C) 18:04, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I also read the discussion on Novels WikiProject forum about the issue, thanks for clarifying.TwoOars (T | C) 08:34, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Category:Books by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

Hi, regarding this, can you explain to me in further detail or point me to an explanation of why we would have both Category:Books by Johann Wolfgang von Goethe and Category:Works of Johann Wolfgang von Goethe? In the "Works" cat, we have Elective Affinities, which is a novel, and Dichtung und Wahrheit, which is an autobiography. Are these "books" or "works"? In the "books" category, we have the Italian Journey, which is a complication of journals. A "book" or a "work"? etc. I would appreciate an explanation of why we need both "books" and "works" categories for the same author, since they are all works of Goethe. — goethean ॐ 17:39, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Book infoboxes etc

Hi, What exactly do the 'Preceded by' and 'followed by' fields in the book infoboxes mean? Do we have to fill the fields only when the book is a part of a series? Or are they in the context of the author's publishing history (eg. 'preceded by' meaning the work published immediately before)?... I am asking this because I have seen infoboxes being filled both ways and it is confusing..

Also, about the plot synopses and 'themes' sections in book related articles: most of them border on or are obviously WP:OR. Is that allowed? I remember reading something on self-referencing (?)... whats the policy here?TwoOars (T | C) 08:35, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. And I'll do what I can, but I am afraid it won't be anything really substantial. :)TwoOars (T | C) 08:58, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Novel up for AFD

Just a heads up there is an attempt to delete a novel here. It won't pass because everyone is voting to speedy keep, but the nominators rationale appears to be that series books shouldn't have articles and that's a bad precedent because it would result in many articles in our WikiProject being either PROD'ed or AFD'd. Anyway, I don't think this one will go anywhere, but it might be worth keeping an eye on. I'll check the article to make sure it has the proper project banners, etc. but it does have an infobox so it likely does. 23skidoo 13:17, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

ISBN format and SBN

Thanks for fixing that. Actually I was puzzled that it had only 9 digits and was showing a red link. And then I noticed that the number is SBN and not ISBN. So i guess one just has to add a zero to convert one to the other.TwoOars (T | C) 13:50, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

The Death of Artemio Cruz

How would I go about adding material to demonstrate it's notability? Are you saying add that to the actual article? I don't think I'm suited for this, I don't know any of this stuff. I am just a high school junior and our IB English class is reading the book. Since it's part of IB I am pretty sure that means all IB English classes read the book. I thought it would be important since many students need quick overviews of the book, and there is no sparknotes on it. So, I don't think I should write the article, I was trying to see if someone else would. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.162.40.183 (talk) 10:15, 22 March 2007 (UTC).

Books

So I see. Okay. >Radiant< 11:33, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

The Catcher in the Rye

Please take another look at the entry for The Catcher in the Rye. This article suffers from bias and editorial commentary. I am working to clean it up, but believe it requires a "starter" rating until it gets into form. Thank you. Bluestripe 16:22, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Books and Novels double tagging

I agree on the issue on double tagging, I didn't create the {{WPBooks}} assessment template as I foresaw the problem of double tagging. I would like to see suggestions to solve this matter. A joint assessment template of some kind...? Well, there's got to be a better way than to tag all novels with two assessment templates. Best, feydey 11:46, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Ideas, (1) we could avoid "double tagging" altogether and remove "WPBook" tags if the article is a "novels scope" article - probably a bit emotive, and thus unwise. (2) we could "merge" the WPBook and NovelWikiProject templates and parameterise which project has prime scope of the article - similar problems, but might manage to completely avoid double tagging. (3) we could maintain the double tags but parameterise which has "prime" responsibility and thus takes the assessments "ownership" - might be a bit difficult to manage.
IMO 2 and 3 would be the best options, but 1 is the easiest to implement. Since the Books template has two fields, quality and infobox check, same as Novels template then, (1) if the article is in "novels scope" then it would have only the Novels template, but the Novels template needs to modified to note that it is also under the Books WikiProject and is a part of Books template, and the Books template will instruct to use it on all but novels articles as they are included via the Novels template.
Still if the 2 and 3 options are to be considered, but they need more work to implement.
Maybe look/ask around what other projects have done, there's got to be similar hierarchical problems elsewhere. feydey 12:15, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Two solutions in templates I've worked on: {{WPBeatles}} has parameters for other projects in scope, kindof unofficially. {{WPBiography}} has workgroups which share our template. I think the latter would be the best solution in this case. --kingboyk 10:44, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
The {{WPBiography}} option looks ok. feydey 21:12, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
How so, as they are for work groups / task forces not spereate projects. I think the WPBeatles approach might be the one for us but I need to look at it more indetail to know. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 07:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Tagging novelists

Hi Kevin. If by chance you happen to be tagging novelist categories for your WikiProject, please do WP:WPBIO a favour and turn on the WP Biography plugin with the Arts & Ents box checked. Cheers. --kingboyk 10:49, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

not sure if we come across too many. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 16:43, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Logs

I deleted your log pages which only contain the plugin version, so you have some redlink removal to do at User:Kevinalewis/Logs (sorry).

no problem :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 16:43, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I see that WP Novels has an automation dept now and a /logs page; I propose then that I configure the plugin to upload logs there (so you'll need to change your personal settings back to User:Kevinalewis/Logs, the idea is that it uploads to your personal log - mine is User:Kingbotk/Logs - and your automation dept if you have one (Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Automation/Logs). --kingboyk 16:24, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Sounds Good. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 16:43, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Done, and logging bug fixed AFAIK, in next version. It's on svn so you ought to be able to download it here. --kingboyk 17:57, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: User_talk:Walter_Humala#Template:User WikiProject Novels

Hey thanks man, yesterday I've been on a template "usage instructions" spree, it was just to delete my whole personal userboxes which displayed "emperor" instead of "user". Well it's been a hard work and I'm not like to repeat it, think nobody would hehe... Thanks anyway. --Emperor Walter Humala · ( talk? · help! ) 01:37, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject_Middle-earth needs

re: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Middle-earth#Templates_II. This project badly needs a fan involved in the project that is an able template coder, and I thought perhaps you might know one or two people you could ask on behalf of User:Carcharoth (If you do, have them contact: User talk:Carcharoth). Thanks! Long time, no see! Best regards // FrankB 17:19, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Enduring Love (film)

I don't believe the name change was ill-advised. I studied the page, I checked the history, and saw that the article was predominately about the film. As that was the case, I moved it in order to preserve the page history for all the edits, rather than cut 'n' pasting the film information to a new article which would have lost the history for those edits.

I'm not at all sure that moving the plot summary from the film page to the novel page was the best thing to do. The reason I didn't do it is because when I looked at the page history, I found that the text under 'Novel Plot' had originally been under 'Film Plot' until someone had changed the headings but not the text of the plot. [2] Rather than risk putting the plot of the film on the page about the novel, that is why I left it (there is also the fact that WP policy frowns on detailed re-retellings of plots).

I have looked at the page history and diffs again, and I stand by my actions. The article as it stood was predominately about the film, and so needed to be moved so that the novel could get its own article like McEwan's other books. H. Carver 09:55, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

No worries. mate. Thanks for cleaning up the categories on both articles, by the way, I must have overlooked them when I was editing. I've been trying to get [Ian McEwan] and his related articles cleaned up and organised recently, as I've been (re-)reading his books again. I haven't got around to Enduring Love yet, but when I do I'll work on improving the plot details etc. unless someone else beats me to it. H. Carver 10:20, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Last Orders

I stumbled across this article while chipping away at the list of novels that need infoboxes. It is another article which has more information on the page about the later film version than it does about the book, though it does have things about the book on it. Rather than try and split it myself, given your thoughts on Enduring Love I thought what I'd do here is draw your attention to it, so that if you have the time, you could split it into Last Orders and Last Orders (film) and I could learn from how you do it, rather than me accidentally mucking it up somehow. H. Carver 01:53, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

In this case a split is still a way off as there is little on the novel and little on the film. I have made the suggestion as well as focus the article more on the novel, which is the original work of that title. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) 08:25, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Poe

Hi, as the uploader, could you address the question on the talk page of this image? Thanks! ~CS 03:53, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Newsletter and announcements template

I missed Your 2nd message on the 23 March 2007 (that's what You get for posting 3 simultaneously!):

Any chance you could help out a bit more formally with things like the newsletter and perhaps things like the "announcements" template.

No problem, I'll try to add something to the announcements template from time to time, and I have made some edits to the newsletters earlier ("a bit more formally" from now on?). If You have any suggestions concerning those... Cheers, feydey 21:08, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

"Malone Dies" - Low?

I've read the criteria for "importance," and therefore understand why "Malone Dies" is not rated "Top." It IS very important, but not in the sense used for this of this assessment. But as part of the Beckett's amazing trilogy of novels, I would expect more interest on the part of the general wikipedia users. Could you reconsider? (John User:Jwy talk) 13:52, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough (to ask for such info in the article). Gotta get to work now, perhaps tonight. But one clue here: http://www.listsofbests.com/list/21?print=true (John User:Jwy talk) 14:01, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Category Reverts

Why did you revert the category changes I made on the Dirk Pitt novels? All are applicable for the category of "Books by Clive Cussler" in my opinion. Splamo 15:22, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Both the Sea Hunters ones are now under "Books by". I see you're point about books and novels beeing two different things. Here is what I think: all Dirk Pitt novels should be in that category AND either the "books/novels by" category. Same with the Oregon Files - in their own category and the Cussler one. I may also creat a category for the NUMA files and do the same thing. His other books - Sea Hunters, etc., should be in the "books/novels by" category. I don't know if that makes sense. And I'll leave the articles in the "Novels by" category until a decision is reached. Splamo 15:42, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
I'll do what I can to make the categories as practical and simple as I can. Splamo 15:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC)