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[edit] Jimmy Moody

I wouldn't waste your time with that article too much. I've got the book, and was planning to rewrite and expand it over the next couple of days anyway. One Night In Hackney303 17:33, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Good stuff - the article is an nightmare as it stands Kernel Saunters (talk) 17:40, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
No problem, it's just one of those where the online sources are very lacking, but the book is in-depth. It used to be worse than it is now. One Night In Hackney303 17:42, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] William Desmond Taylor

Categorizing him as a British officer is reasonable but not strictly accurate, since Taylor was a Canadian officer and British tends to mean UK, not inclusive of Canada. I wanted to let you know though, since I guess there may be something about Canadian officers that makes them British. Gwen Gale (talk) 14:24, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Snap - we posted on each others talk pages at the same time!!. if he served in the Canadian Army, we need to update the article with this info and add Category:Canadian Army officers Kernel Saunters (talk) 14:26, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Done, with a couple of cites. Thanks for helping catch the error in the article. Gwen Gale (talk) 14:33, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Ok, spotting a blatant mistake in one of the sources, I dug deeper and found citations from the Los Angeles Times shortly after his murder that he was indeed a British officer. I'm glad this happened though, since the assertion in the article is now supported by a very strong source. Gwen Gale (talk) 14:56, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Good stuff, I'll see if I can find him in the London Gazette which should list his commission. Kernel Saunters (talk) 14:59, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
From the above linked source:
...first lieutenant with Army Service Corps of the Expeditionary Forces Canteen Service, stationed at Dunkirk... very probable Taylor was advanced to a captaincy... a pass of leave from duty in Dunkirk, dated April 4, 1919, shows that William D. Taylor was at that time a lieutenant in the British forces. An embarkation ticket bearing the name of William D. Taylor, according to the Lasky officials, shows that the director was a lieutenant, and also shows the army number F-56979, and regiment E.F.C., R.A.S.C.
Gwen Gale (talk) 15:06, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Question: Is there any way to confirm he was eventually a captain? Gwen Gale (talk) 15:31, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Update, I've tried the Gazette's search function and have come up with nothing at all. I think this is likely because I haven't hit on the exact spelling and form of his name as used in the records (and both William and Taylor are such common English names). Gwen Gale (talk) 14:04, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fusco

He was convicted, but convicted in absentia as he escaped before the end of the trial Joe Doherty and others. Unlike Doherty who was eventually returned to Northern Ireland, Fusco was never extradited back. He did serve a sentence in the RoI under the extra-jurisdictional legislation, but that isn't a terrorism charge. One Night In Hackney303 00:50, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Austin Ardill

He was a captain who won an MC in World War II, which is why I reverted the cat. Because Category:British Army personnel of World War II is already present in the article. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 11:21, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

He should be categorised for his service per conflict which he is categorised correctly in Category:British Army personnel of World War II, but also by rank/regiment as per Category:British Army officers. This is established practice, adding to the officers cat will enable sub-categorisation to a regiment cat. Also, Category:British Army personnel of World War II is not a subcat of Category:British Army officers as personnel can mean enlisted ranks or officer ranks. Kernel Saunters (talk) 11:26, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
OK. Then my mistake and I will self-revert. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 11:30, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] your input, please

Please see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_March_6#Category:U.S._State_Department_designated_terrorist_organizations - TheMightyQuill (talk) 23:09, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Colin Wallace

Re: Your 'contradictory' tag. I can't see where the article claims that Wallace was an 'intelligence officer for the cadets'. The closest I can see is the 'Early Life' paragraph, and I think what's actually written in the article is correct. Per Paul Foot's book, Wallace worked from the mid 1960s for the army cadets as a trainer, supervising 'adventure training and canoeing courses' and in 1972, when Wallace was attending the Bloody Sunday Tribunal in his Lisburn job, he "was still a part-time captain in the UDR and kept up his training in the Territorial Army". He was some sort of workaholic who had three jobs at the same time - one as a PR/Psychological Warfare person at Lisburn, one as a soldier/policeman for the UDR/B Specials, and one as a trainer for the Royal Ulster Rifles/Irish Guards. The article doesn't imply any kind of overlap between them, AFAICT. --Aim Here (talk) 00:34, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

In 1969 was he an intelligence officer in the TA or B specials, or was he in the UDR but not commissioned? or to put it another way which hat was he wearing as an intelligence officer as he was commissioned into the UDR in 1972 Kernel Saunters (talk) 16:03, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
As far as I can tell, neither. Wallace seems to have been working full-time for a regular British Army unit called Information Liaison or Information Policy (depending on what time-period we're talking about) as well as the part-time work for the two, um, irregular units - he was a man with three hats. Also I'm not sure the term 'intelligence officer' is appropriate. I think of the term as referring to someone who collects and analyses intelligence, whereas Wallace's main job was more like the British Army's Public Relations spokesman. Obviously he was up to skullduggeries and had some links with members of the intelligence services as well,so your mileage may vary. --Aim Here (talk) 00:47, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I've updated with some referenced material as he was a civil servant as opposed to being a police or army officer (in his day job) Kernel Saunters (talk) 15:28, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Heh, I open up Foot's book, and the first thing I see is a sentence saying that Wallace was 'ostensibly in a civilian role', so yeah, he was a civilian working for the Army, technically. --Aim Here (talk) 00:32, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] John Brunt

I have reverted your changes. I used the standard UTC date format which will display dates in the format that the user has chosen in their preferences. I just wondered why you would change this? -- JediLofty User ¦ Talk 15:42, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I've changed my prefs. Worth pointing out that most UK military history articles don't use the UTC date format which is why a couple of us have reverted. Kernel Saunters (talk) 15:48, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dusty Miller

Hello. I drew the information on Miller directly from Ernest Gordon's autobiography "TO END ALL WARS". I believe that "Dusty" is the nickname given Miller by Gordon. I'm sorry I cannot be of more help. Jc3schmi (talk)

Hi. According to the account Ernest Gordon gives in his autobiography Dusty Miller was a comrade soldier. What would be the rationale for merging the articles? Can you please clarify the reasoning behind the proposed merge? Thanks a lot and Happy Easter. Jc3schmi (talk) 05:02, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] World War II cats

NB Category:British World War II flying aces is (at a couple of removes) a subcat of Category:Royal Air Force personnel of World War II, so articles shouldn't really be in both. David Underdown (talk) 16:46, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

True enough (and a British pilot could be serving in another country's armed forces), but as the categorisation scheme stands, that's the way it is. David Underdown (talk) 16:55, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
2 Would be good, but it would seem to clash with how some existing lists etc are set up. See eg Brian Carbury who is described in the lead as an NZ ace, though he flew entirely for the RAF. Might be best to keep the discussion centralised at MILHIST now. David Underdown (talk) 17:25, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Jimmy Hughes

After looking through his biographies in Citizens and Minstermen, A Who's Who of York City FC 1922-1997 and York City: A Complete Record 1922-1990, I'm afraid I can't see any information on his rank in the army. Thanks, Mattythewhite (talk) 15:11, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Gavin de Beer

Have you a source for your WWII Army category for Gavin? i.e. that he worked for Army Intelligence specifically? Regards, Macdonald-ross (talk) 17:02, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll double-check the info in the London Gazette Kernel Saunters (talk) 17:13, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Recategorisations

So that I can follow your reasoning, why in the case of Irish born RMF Corporal William Cosgrove VC, you decide he was not an Irish VC recipient, not an officer and not a WWI VC recipient. Why "seperate" categories "Irish Galipolli VC or Irish Somme VC recipients and not for other battle areas ?? There is a general category "British WWI VC recipients", why may he not also belong to the general category "Irish WWI VC recipients"? Corporal John Elisha Grimshaw VC and Captain Richard Raymond Willis VC (both also Galipolli) are categorised as a British officers, Corporal Cosgrove VC de-categorised from Irish officer to Irish soldier? James Somers VC was an Irish sergeant, why categorised "soldier"? Thank you for enlightening me Osioni (talk) 20:37, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

A corporal is a Non-commissioned officer. The officer categories are for commissioned officers as is stated in the category header for officers. As for the Irish Galipolli VC and similar categories, I think there may be a case for retaining seperate national and battle categories. I'd consider supporting a CFD for these sub-cats Kernel Saunters (talk) 21:42, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Also, Grimshaw, after service in the ranks, was commissoned so he qualifies for both soldier and officer categories Kernel Saunters (talk) 21:55, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you so far: I still do not understand the need to distinguish between commissioned and non-commissioned officers, the Category does not do so ! and who decided this, K.S. personally or some other instance, and why ? Secondly, my problem is that in the case of Galipolli, those four VC's have been excluded from the general [[Category:Irish Victoria Cross recipients]. Take at random John Park or Luke O'Connor Crimean War VC, but also Cat. Irish VC recipients: most others in the Category are also in a Campaign VC Category. Why can the four Galipolli VC recipients not also be included in the Cat.: Irish VC recipients? Otherwise it is very difficult to find a link to this category.Osioni (talk) 21:03, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I suggest you contact user:Necrothesp for a 3rd party opinion. Cheers Kernel Saunters (talk) 07:30, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Arthur Gilligan

Thanks for your additions to the article. "He also served as a captain with the 11th Battalion of the Lancashire Fusiliers." Was that in World War One or in World War Two? It would be nice to know. JH (talk page) 08:54, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! JH (talk page) 16:38, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Trying to give you a barnstar, but for some reason the coding didn't work out, so....

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We will just do it like this.....for removing small amounts of text that just don't belong in an article, kinda like this. Congrats and keep up the good work. Sorry for those inconvienent orange message bars!! Dusticomplain/compliment 10:34, 7 June 2008 (UTC)