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[edit] Buddhists

Kenneth, why don't you become the founding member of Category:Buddhist Wikipedians? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:53, July 10, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hi!

Hi Kenneth! You made some useful contributions to the Zen article. There's a new Zen collaboration, if you're interested we'd love to have you involved! Rentwa 13:19, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your archive

I noticed you accidentally created your archive at Talk:Articlename/Archive 1. I've moved it to User talk:Kennethtennyson/Archive 1 and nominated the redirect for speedy deletion. TimBentley (talk) 20:01, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indian martial arts

sorry about not supplying the diffs; been a bit busy lately
Don't worry about it.

i have to read on how to supply them.
A "diff" is the difference between two consecutive versions of a page.

You can access them by clicking on the "last" in a page's history.

i believe that the ban was discussed by zarilli in one of his books... i think that you and i spoke of this years ago but i wasn't able to supply the reference at the time.
I read Zarrilli just the other week and I don't remember any mention of a ban. I even typed up what he said about the decline of kalarippayattu for Talk:Indian martial arts.

And Zarrilli has written only the one book on kalarippayattu. I doubt that he would mention a ban on kalarippayattu in another book but not in his sole book on the subject.

Perhaps you were thinking of this Luijendijk book?

the 9th century designation is related to the legend of parasuma in religious texts. zarilli speaks of this also.
Now this I remember, but I have to look it up. Unfortunately I just returned my copy of Zarrilli to the library. I know of one other editor who has a copy though.JFD 20:08, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Three? I could have sworn I started editing only a year ago.
And you seem calmer. I think a couple of days wikibreak did you some good.
Of course, the 48-hour block on Indrancroos probably doesn't hurt either.
JFD 20:43, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
bazex syndrome
JFD 02:21, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indrancroos

I wonder if the above can be called harassment? Kind of scary, he really really wants to get in touch with Freedom skies.... very close to being stalker personality.

I'm sure that Freedom skies is perfectly capable of taking care of himself, both on and off the interweb. Who he gives his e-mail address to is his business.
I was merely making sure that whatever decision he ultimately makes would be an informed one.
JFD 19:33, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

If you can show me a "Phd." scholar from India who discredits the Bodhidarma theory, then I will believe everything you say, and even stop posting or editing on wikipedia. Is that is deal? Indrancroos: "I'll rather be happy than right, anytime." 20:40, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] more references

I saw the Spiessbach on a list of articles published in the Journal of Asian Martial Arts but was never willing to pony up for the back issue.
JFD 05:19, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Not mine, unfortunately.
JFD 00:10, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
Dude. I would really appreciate that.
JFD 03:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] you know "you know"

As far as I can tell Indrancroos, you are not contributing to the article - only trying to push your POV. What do you mean? Would you all like for me to contribute to the article? Or would it be called a POV even though I provide sources... The IMA mentions of the Dravidian martial arts. Am I allowed to contribute more to that? FYI: Did you know that the term "Ancient India" is a big POV? I'm surprised you have not raised any rucuss about that. It is like saying there was an ancient Canada... You tell Freedom skies, that, he will wet his pants, and say "live with it"... Anyways, I guess the whole battle started over Bodhidarma... I will not touch that section or even talk about it. I know where JFD is coming from in regards to the subject on Bodhidarma... It is his heritage, and for someone else to talk about it, I know it probably gets to him... Just like Freedom skies trying to claim our arts as theirs and not give us any credit for it... I hope that I did not offend you, JFD... Truce? Indrancroos 04:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] hey

hey welcome back. how's life going?

busy busy busy
Anything interesting happpen in wikiville while I was away?
JFD 18:23, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indian influence on Chinese martial arts

I went to wikipedia:requests for page protection, and you did fine explaining your requests in protecting the article. However, you somewhat forgot one thing: either type (in bold) "full protection", "semi-protection", "move protection", or more than one request for only one article. --Gh87 16:51, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Disputed Indian origins of East Asian martial arts

Unexpected but very good touch. The article, though of a side I do not entirely support, is shaping up just fine. Anyone who reads my article will find the link and navigate to yours (and JFDs), and they deserve to see the other POV presented in all it's strength. Freedom skies 01:31, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Assume good faith Kenny, or better yet provide citations for your claims that these authors have actually said anything against Bodhidharma. Is it so hard to provide sources for your claims that you have to actually go to the administrators to try and let your unsourced comments stay ? I can find Meir Shahar's citation, a PDF document in as little as a click of a button, why don't you try and do the same and for once get something useful in a wikipedia article instead of harassing people with maddening reverts ? Judging by this and the IMA article, in which you did'nt get anything accepted at all, I'm bracing myself for more mindless reverts. Anyways, more tries to revert the "citations needed" in the author links and I'm going to report you. Good day. Freedom skies 18:30, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Using sockpuppets, are we Kenny ? Freedom skies 19:36, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

-You're paranoid. I don't need sockpuppets when i am fully willing to change your edits on my own if they continue to be biased and factually incorrect. Kennethtennyson 04:17, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bodhihdarma and martial arts article

you've come into the middle of a conversation, Michael. 2 years ago, there was this huge discussion where some wikipedians were stateing that bodhidharma came from india through southeast asia to china and spread kalaripayattu (an indian martial art) that ended up being a progenitor of shaolin kung fu. after much discussion, we wrote this article so that we wouldn't have to go through the arguments again. They were quoting a hindu or random websites online. they were using those claims on their article. Kennethtennyson 18:22, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Looks like they still are. Many of the cites in the Indian influence on Chinese martial arts article are dross. --MichaelMaggs 18:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't want to muck up anything you've been working on for ages, but it's strange that most of the careful refutations appear in the article Bodhidharma, the martial arts, and the disputed India connection which, by its title, sounds less authoritative than Indian influence on Chinese martial arts. The latter is stuffed full of violently POV statements. Would it not be possible to tackle the main article and to let Bodhidharma, the martial arts, and the disputed India connection die? Having two sound like a POV fork. The refutations also appear to be in reply to some statements that have not in themselves been sourced, which suggests to me I could add some citation-needed tags. But I'm not fully aware of the history here, as may be clear ... --MichaelMaggs 18:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

unfortunately, i don't think freedom skies will accept any changes to his article. also the wording "indian influence on chinese martial arts" is sort of POV. What influence are we speaking of? religious vs. actual martial arts influence? in terms of martial arts influence, no one has been able to tie anything. Religious influence you can state if you were willing to use buddhism but then it only applies to one martial arts - shaolin kung fu. Our article has been there for years - before freedom skies came this year. Freedom skies created his article as a platform for his views. Kennethtennyson

Freedom Skies is temporarily unable to respond to your comments on Talk: Zen.--MichaelMaggs 17:47, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reply

I am tempted to say that those with houses of glass do not throw stones on other people's houses" but I will keep my Indo Iranian wisdom to myself.

I did not start the edit wars. 15:44, 18 November 2006 JFD edited my article. 01:03, 20 November 2006 Freedom skies I edited as much as a ref tag on yours.

I leave it to the final version as presented by JFD.

Freedom skies (send a message to Freedom skies) 22:18, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] journal article surrounding early chinese martial arts

Hello, I am undergraduate history student at the University of Colorado. I am beginning to start some research on my final honors thesis paper which will be completed by May of 2008. I would like to research the ties between Chinese martial arts and Chinese religious systems. I have seen that you seen to know a fair amount about this subject and I was wondering if you could direct me to some good primary and secondary sources within this field that could help me. thanks in advance for any help you can offer. Electronic.mayhem 04:34, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the information you gave me. I have noticed that the "sifus" are as confused about Chinese philosophy, religion, and martial arts as most people. I've already made extensive use of JSTOR since it's the best source for finding journal articles. I am, however, very curious about this individual you mentioned in Israel. I am actually going to be spending next semester in Israel studying at Hebrew University of Jerusalem. Would you happen to know what University he is associated with so that I might get in contact with him? I need to find some good primary sources about this matter so that I can see the things for myself as well. Right now, all I've got in that department is De Bary's text on ancient Chinese texts. Thanks again for the help. Electronic.mayhem 01:08, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

The research is going quite well. It's a pain trying to sort things out, but it's not too bad. I'm in Israel, but I still haven't made contact with the Professor I was directed to. Electronic.mayhem 16:18, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Foreign influence on Chinese martial arts

There is a request for arbitration over the NPOV status of Foreign influence on Chinese martial arts. In noticed that you were active in the discussion before -- please feel free to add your input again if you have the time. Djma12 22:18, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I just jumped in with the vain hope that both sides would see the light and take it private. If I took sides it wouldn't help.Peter Rehse 01:15, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] mediation

A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Zen, and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible.

Since Freedom Skies seems to have rejected the mediation, would it be appropriate to suggest arbitration? I find his behaviour extraordinary. Paul B 17:04, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Mediation Listing

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[edit] Indian martial arts

I've just seen you encountered "Freedom skies" on that article. Note that he is a known "problem user" and has thrown around his temper on Indian mathematics in a similar fashion (obviously with an identical agenda of pushing fantastical dating claims etc.). It is difficult to write encyclopedic articles in the middle of such frolicking, but I hope this won't spoil Wikipedia for you. I've added the martial arts article to my watchlist in any case. Regards, dab (𒁳) 18:46, 14 March 2007 (UTC)