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Does someone have time to review this article and add its narrative and tive It should be easier for people who come to this article to find out about the issues relating to the 2007 election and subsequent civil conflicts. Does anyone have a suggestion as to how that could be done? The relevant articles include Civil unrest in Kenya (2007–2008). Anchoress (talk) 01:17, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Etymology of Kenya?

I've always heard that the word Kenya comes from the Gikuyu word Kirinyagga-- the name for Mount Kenya. What's the source for this Masai etymology? --Buddhagazelle 03:50, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know anything about the Masai etymology, but I've done a lot of research into the etymology of Mount Kenya and agree that the name originates from the mountain. Mehmet Karatay 21:26, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
I put a link to that article in the section, but there's a problem: almost all of the details are slightly different between the two. That article says Krapf used Kenia or Kegnia and it gives an entirely separate explanation about Kiinya being the mountain of the ostrich in a local language. Also, this article's section uses the seemingly innocuous phrase "substituted ii for e", which while quite straightforward introduces a hesitancy in interpretation because every once in a while you run into someone who uses that expression exactly the opposite of the way you'd expect (I wish I knew why...). Last but not least, there's the problem of sources - this article sounds like it is the best researched with actual analysis of the original written journal, but it must give way to the other article's version of events unless a source is given. 70.15.116.59 (talk) 18:34, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] February 2007 census?

In the table, its is stated that the population was 31,138,735 according to a "8 Feburary 2007 census".

Is there a reference to this number, or the existance of such census? if there is it should also appear in the demography section and in "Demographics of Kenya".

The number is lower than 2006 estimates by 3 millions. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.178.138.233 (talk) 12:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Flower production ==== GDP Per Capita???

Is kenya's gdp per capita really $-52.89 or is this vandalism? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.101.190.158 (talk • contribs) 10:32, 9 May, 2006

The CIA FACT BOOK PLACES IT AT $1100

. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.83.64.78 (talk • contribs) 15:57, 21 November, 2006

Hmm... CIA Factbook page retrieved 14/03/08: GDP - per capita (PPP): $1,600 (2007 est.). For that matter, the Kenya National Bureau of Statistics Website is offline. Can anyone find updated versions of the GDP & GDP per capita (PPP)?Sunshard (talk) 08:47, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image

Why is there an image of a Maasai man in the demographics section? The Massai are a minority in Kenya. Most Kenyans, well over 95% dress in regular western type clothing. The image is largely misleading and gives a rather false impression of the country and its people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.122.135.5 (talk • contribs) 04:13, 11 January, 2007

[edit] Kenya economy from Stiglitz perspective

This is from Globalization and its discontents by Stiglitz "I became aware of this contrast when i first went to Kenya, in the late 1960s. Here is a rich and fertile country, with some of the most valuable land still owned by the old colonial settlers. When i arrived, the colonial civil servants were also still there; now they were called advisers.

As i watched developments in East Africa over the ensuing years, and returned for several visits after becoming chief economist of the world bank, the contrast between the aspirations in the 1960s and the subsequent developments were striking. When i first went, the spirit of uhuru, the swahili word for freedom, and the ujama, the word for self-help, were in the air. When i returned, the government offices were staffed by well-spoken and well-trained Kenyans; but the economy had been sinking for years. Some of the problems-the seemingly rampant corruption- were of Kenya's own making. But the high interest rates which had resulted from its following IMF advice, as well as other problems, could rightly be blamed at least in part on outsiders ....."

"....The IMF made an issue of corruption in Kenya and halted its relatively small lending program largely because of corruption it witnessed there. Yet, it maintained a flow of money, billion of dollars to Russia and Indonesia. To some, it seemed that while the Fund was overlooking grand larceny, it was taking a strong stand on petty theft...." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wk muriithi (talk • contribs) 21:48, 15 April, 2005

Stiglitz lived in Kenya between 1969 to 1971 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wk muriithi (talk • contribs) 21:50, 15 April, 2005
This is an excellent insight into the relationships of the World Bank in vested interest areas of comparative importance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.197.36.198 (talk • contribs) 00:22, 3 October, 2005

[edit] Links to Kenyan web directories

—Preceding unsigned comment added by PDH (talk • contribs) 05:12, 6 September, 2005

[edit] Plagiarism

from the pump

hi my name is mandy and i'm doing a project on kenya, just to let you know, http://www.mapzones.com/world/africa/kenya/historyindex.php - has almost the exact information you do, i know that this is plagarising and i don't know whose plagarising who, but i thought i'd let you know.

  1. Kenya: Fossils found in East Africa suggest that protohumans roamed the area more than 20 million years ago. Recent finds near Kenya's Lake Turkana indicate that hominids like Homo habilis and Homo erectus lived in Kenya 2.6 million years ago
  2. Kenya: Fossils found in East Africa suggest that protohumans roamed the area more than 20 million years ago. Recent finds near Kenya's Lake Turkana indicate that hominids lived in the area 2.6 million years ago.
Looks pretty similiar →Raul654 17:50, Apr 20, 2004 (UTC)
I did a little more tracing. That info was copied into our kenya article from the History of Kenya article. Those sentences were added during this edit by a bot. →Raul654 17:54, Apr 20, 2004 (UTC)
I suspect that both are derived from some sort of public domain source like the CIA factbook or such. Bkonrad | Talk 18:04, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Such as this from the U.S. State department Bkonrad | Talk 18:10, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I just realized the question was about plagiarism. Although the information from the U.S. State Department is public domain, that is not copyrighted and can be freely copied, it really should be acknowledged as the source. Copying the information without attribution is plagiarism. Wikipedia (and the other sites that use it) should acknowledge the source of the information. Bkonrad | Talk 18:14, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)
I added the correspondin note at History of Kenya The bot itself should've been doing this, to avoid suspicions of this kind. Mikkalai 18:17, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Actually the bot in question is the Conversion script which imported data from the old usemod database into the new one. According to its "user page", the usemod histories were imported only later, and

...the conversion script entries in history remained, in most cases appearing to perform whatever was the last edit prior to the conversion.

So the script itself didn't acquire that information from anywhere other than Wikipedia - somebody added it, but their identity is lost in the mists of time. - IMSoP 19:05, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC) HEEEEEEE

[edit] Political Correctness?

I find this article unbelievable. There is no discussion at all of the role of the Kikuyu in the history of Kenya, undoubtedly the most important tribal group even if they only comprise 22% of the population. No mention that they have held most of the power in modern Kenya (although Moi was from the Kalenjin). Kenyatta's enormously important rule is given only one sentence. His probable involvement in the murder of the Luo Tom Mboya is not mentioned although there is some discussion of Oginga Odinga. On the other hand many names are expressed using Kikuyu orthography using a vowel (ũ) which does not exist in the official Swahili language.

Is there some systematic attempt to cover up their role? Chris55 (talk) 21:23, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pre-colonial history

In this section there's quite a bit about the luos but little mention of other tribes and cultures that were there and quite powerful too —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.233.46.150 (talk) 03:41, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Religion

Seventh day adventist is Christian denomination. Not protestant, they are different from other churches becouse they keep all ten of god's commands, so they cant be put together with churches like anglican. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.198.138.143 (talk • contribs) 15:32, 1 October, 2006

It is more likely that the Anglican methods were the start of the early traditions, which have now been accentuated by the Christian demonination. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.83.140 (talk • contribs) 20:27, 12 November, 2006

[edit] Unreferenced tag

I recently put the unreferenced tag on the Kenya article because of the lack of references, but it has been removed since. I don't think you can call an article of this length with only five references referenced. Of those five references, two are in one image caption which I wrote myself, so there are only three in the rest of the entire article. Ideally every fact should have a reference, as otherwise it is unverifiable and therefore eligible for deletion. Kenya is currently third in the waiting list for Wikipedia:WikiProject Fact and Reference Check/Opentasks for that WikiProject to have a co-ordinated effort to try and find references. I will put the unreferenced tag back on, please understand that an article of this size should have an absolute minimum of one reference per paragraph. Mehmet Karatay 07:11, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I would think the external links qualify for references, but even if they don't, then a different template should be used; the {{references}} template gives the reader the information there are no references, which is untrue. Octane [improve me] 05.07.07 2332 (UTC)
Are you happy with the current tag then? If the problem is highlighted then it is more likely to be solved sooner. There is nothing wrong with using websites as references, but if that is the case they should be mentioned under references and not external links. External links are for further reading. As I mentioned earlier, this article is third in the queue at Wikipedia:WikiProject Fact and Reference Check/Opentasks so hopefully the tag shouldn't be there for long. :-) Mehmet Karatay 08:19, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Yeah; I noticed the tag change a little bit ago. (: Octane [improve me] 06.07.07 0848 (UTC)

[edit] What about Quakerism?

I've heard from a friend (who is both Kenyan and Quaker) that a surprising percentage of Kenyans are Quakers, because of missionary work many, many years ago. Can anyone double-check this? (Probably it doesn't show up right now because of the blur with "Protestantism", in which I suppose the Society of Friends is included.) --Lenoxus 00:12, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Worldbank links

These links:

Were added by an IP address registered to the World Bank Group (doingbusiness.org is a World Bank project). In keeping with our conflict of interest and external links guidelines I've moved them here for consideration by regular editors of this article who are unaffiliated with the site. -- Siobhan Hansa 21:11, 23 January 2007 (UTC)Sut min pik tanja

[edit] Nonworking link

As I'm not allowed to edit the page, I'm posting it here to warn people who can edit.

The myspace link at the bottom of the page is broken.

Please feel free to delete this message once it has been fixed.