Talk:Kenwood, St. George's Hill

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[edit] Posted, but not linked?!

I'm quite surprised that the gentleman who posted this picture did not link this page to it. Zephyrad 17:36, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This article needs help, now...

I am pleased on the one hand, that someone apparently has gotten their hands on a brochure that gives some history of Kenwood, and has added some details from it. I am sorry, however, that this person does not appear to have much writing experience or sense of style, and appears to have added these details at random, while scrambling what was already here. Material has also been deleted or altered for no good reason, other than it may not agree with the brochure. There is now more history of the St. George's Hill estate on this page, than on the St. George's Hill page, from where I am sitting, and the present article is a MESS. I would like to see someone else take a crack at saving it; I am concerned that if I do a cleanup at this time, it will be seen as biased, and reverted back to the mess it now is. Zephyrad 19:48, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

The entry relates to Kenwood, St George's Hill and not simply John Lennon's time there. The house has a longer history than that, and other noteworthy people have lived there. References to the St. George's Hill estate, where Kenwood is situated, are entirely valid. If anyone wants to add to the page for St. George's Hill then they can, of course, do so. The comments about "writing experience" and "style" are highly subjective and unhelpful. As for deletions, a picture was removed which was supposed to be Kenwood, but wasn't. This counts as a "good reason" for removal. (The picture features in the Bob Spitz biography of the Beatles, and is typical of the many mistakes in that book). Other alterations are in line with Wikipedia best policy - eg not using euphemisms such as "made love". A lot of new information has been added, but nothing has been "scrambled". I agree that the page needs work, specifically to be organised into sub-headings, fully sourced and to have an accurate picture included. I intend to get round to this within the next few weeks, but if Zephyrad or anyone else wants to have a go in the meantime, then great - that is what Wikipedia is all about - but the golden rule, as always, is don't contribute unless you are happy to see your work edited and altered beyond recognition. The article as it stands is perhaps a little untidy (hence the need for subheadings), but is certainly not a "mess" and does not need "saving" - just improving. I come back to the main point which seems to have been forgotten in the above - this is an entry for Kenwood, the house itself, and not just one of its (very temporary) residents. 84.67.57.155 18:24, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

QED. Zephyrad 23:46, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Oh, fac ut vivas. 84.67.57.155 07:03, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Have now added sub-headings and rearranged text to fit same. Will do sources soon if no-one else does. Still needs accurate photo/photos. 84.67.57.155 19:14, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

I have added 2 photos taken by Simon Harper, who was kind enough to grant permission for his work to be used here. I will have a stab at sources next week.Brownhouse 16:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

A start has now been made on the Notes section. I will do more when I can, but anyone else out there want to help? It's pretty tedious work!86.148.44.120 12:53, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New photos

Good work, whoever it was who put them up! (Have you actually been to Kenwood?) I have taken the liberty of moving them so that they now illustrate the relevant parts of the article - hope you approve!Brownhouse1 20:37, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I have re-sized the pictures to make them fit better.86.153.33.81 08:48, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA

After a cursory look, I think that this could be a GA article.--andreasegde (talk) 19:21, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

I have moved some references to the end of sentences, and have moved and changed photo sizes.--andreasegde (talk) 19:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

The real coordinates are: latitude: 51.35552569021039 - longitude: -0.4463839530944824. How can I change them?--andreasegde (talk) 20:03, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Done it.--andreasegde (talk) 11:04, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA Passed

This article has passed the GA noms, further suggestions for improvement would be to expand the article to reflect the houses current use, and its architectural significance. If you feel that this review was in error feel free to take it to WP:GA/R. Thanks. Tarret ^talk 14:29, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

I thank thee kindly.--andreasegde (talk) 15:55, 6 April 2008 (UTC)