Talk:Kentucky Derby

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[edit] Inaccurate statement

The Kentucky Derby is not the second oldest race in the United States. Both the Preakness (1873) and Belmont (1867) are older. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.169.148.102 (talk) 23:11, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

  • I removed that statement...it's not even the longest running race at Churchill Downs. (The first Oaks was run before the first Derby). The Harvard-Yale Regatta predates them all. --SmashvilleBONK! 05:00, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picture question

I found the following picture on the KY Tourism webpage.

They grant immediate permission free of charge for any use, as long as it promotes Kentucky travel. I uploaded it with the Conditional copyright tag. My question is, does a Wikikpedia article on the Kentucky Derby constitute promotion of Kentucky tourism, or is this too big of a stretch? Sayeth 17:28, Mar 31, 2005 (UTC)

I would say Yes, but IANAL. :) — Stevie is the man! Talk | Work 21:32, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Sayeth, what he means is "I am not a lawyer." For some reason he does not grasp that most people don't know what "IANAL" means, or that it takes only an additional 0.5 seconds to type the phrase itself rather than the all-caps abbreviation. User:AndyCapp 23:37, May 8, 2005 (UTC)
Ummm, methinks Sayeth didn't ask what IANAL meant. At any rate, it has become a rather common shorthand, and I'll continue to use it, if it pleases your majesty.  :) — Stevie is the man! Talk | Work 11:01, May 8, 2005 (UTC)
Steevie's right - I'm hip with the "emoticons" you "leet kids" on the "Internets" speak with nowadays. I didn't post the pic in the article since I figured Steevie was answering "Yes" to the second option in my question - that is he was saying "yes, it is too much of a strech to say that this article promotes Kentucky tourism, but I'm not a lawyer". Sayeth 03:39, May 9, 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Bad Reference

What on earth is that last link doing on this page? It has no valuable information of opinions, as it is all based in story format. If there is a page pointing out the problems of the derby clearly, then let's have it, but don't put that crap up on here. User:Druidan

Uh, you mean the Hunter S. Thompson piece? My guess is it's included because it's topical and written by a very famous author (and native Louisvillian). At a glance it seems to fit within WP:EL I don't see the problem with including it. --W.marsh 03:18, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
I removed it; it really isn't too relevant to the article at first glance, and plus is a story. Andy t 15:25, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Well I disagree... there's nothing wrong with it per WP:EL, and I think it's an interesting link. --W.marsh 15:34, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] American-Bred

In the "Qualifications" section of the infobox, why does it list the race as being for "3 year old American bred". The Derby has never been limited to American breds as far as I know. The article even states that "in 1917, the English bred colt "Omar Khayyam" became the first foreign-bred horse to win the race." Too many foreign bred horses have raced in the Derby to even list. I am removing the "American bred" statement. 20:26, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "the world's preeminent horse race"

Says who? And don't say something like "it's common knowledge"; that's not enough for Wikipedia. I'm not a racing fan, and want to know why it's considered the pre-eminent, and by whom. Everybody? If so, it should be easy to find reliable sources saying so. 86.132.142.7 14:27, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

I think the sentence doesn't belong in the article anyway. It is certainly the most hyped American race and one the most prominent in the world, but from a purely "athletic" viewpoint about a dozen races worldwide, like the Breeders' Cup Classic or Dubai World Cup, may be of higher quality.
Even in it's own category, the Ky Derby isn't really "superior" to the Epsom Derby or Irish Derby.
Finally, it also isn't an unanimous winner when it comes to prestige. The Epsom Derby is just as prestigious and the Melbourne Cup even has it's own public holiday!
I would change it right now to "one of the world's most important horse races", but maybe someone can come up with his/her solution. Malc82 15:03, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps something like "one of the most famous horse races in the United States"? Alan 15:37, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
removed it without a substitute; the "preeminent" part was entered two days ago, I don't think we need to substitute it at all. Malc82 17:30, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of Winners

Why is this list of winners on a separate page? The list of winners for the Preakness Stakes and Belmont Stakes are integrated on the same page as the races. Given the likelihood that readers will cycle through each page, should there be conformity between the layout of the material? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jaedglass (talk • contribs) 00:02, 6 May 2007 (UTC).

Preakness and Belmont should probably change to be like this one. Having a long table in the article is not conducive to getting it featured. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 00:26, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
The list ought to be on a separate page if you want to take this to FA, in my opinion. Plus there seems little reason why the table ought not be sortable (by using the "sortable wikitable" class") which would make it easy to see fastest race, most wins, etc. The Rambling Man 14:59, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I removed Dancer's Image from the list and placed the jockey, trainer, and owner information in the footnote. The footnote had a link to the Derby Museum website and claimed that both horses were listed as winners, however, the chart there lists Forward Pass as the winner and Dancer's Image in last place. It's been quite a while since I've been to Churchill Downs, but I don't remember the plaques showing both horses, either, so the footnote seemed inaccurate. PaulGS (talk) 07:27, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, that was a pretty inaccurate thing to have in the article. Nowhere at any point in time has Dancer's Image been re-given the victory. Not to mention, the list of winners only has Forward Pass and the Derby history specifically mentions Dancer's Image's DQ. --SmashvilleBONK! 15:08, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The blog source that keeps being deleted

The blog source that is being deleted is a reputable source. Blog Potato is in Kentucky currently covering the race for his blog, Blog Potato. He plays an active role in the horse racing communtiy.

Maybe, but the third-highest attendance still doesn't belong into the "History"-section of the "Kentucky Derby" article. Malc82 01:14, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] editing the page

Looks like a lot of information has been deleted from the page (at the top) in the last edit. If it was inadvertent, then maybe someone would like to fix it... please. Chris in KY 19:30, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

This was vandalism. I reverted it. Thanks for telling us! Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 21:02, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Derby film

Anyone know about this film? Joanne Vannicola was in it.

[edit] Looking for a Jockey

Hi I'm looking for any information about a female jockey who I believe has ridden in the Kentucky Derby. I know her first name is Karen/Caron/Karin?

Would appreciate more info

Hi Thanks for info - but I'm afraid she's not the one - Regards —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.150.23.148 (talk) 19:02, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Constant mention of African American

Why is the race of the jockeys constantly mentioned in this article? It seems superfluous, and perhaps racist.--Nationalism (talk) 21:24, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Constantly? It's mentioned 3 times...twice in the context of how many of the first Derbys were won by people who are barely in the sport anymore. --SmashvilleBONK! 01:08, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
I have to agree with Nationalism here though. It's definitely superfluous and once would be fine. I thought the derby was about the horses anyway. MagnoliaSouth (talk) 15:12, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why no explanation of requirements and so forth?

The only reason I came to this article was to learn about the horse requirements to be in the actual race, besides age. I imagine that I'm not alone. I also think this is much more encyclopedic information than a racial count of how many African-Americans participate or have participated. Just my friendly thoughts if anyone knows this information and wants to add it. MagnoliaSouth (talk) 15:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)