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[edit] Two items

1. 1...there is some question as to whether the seal on this page is A) an actual seal of KSU-Stark and B) if it violates trademarks. The image is not tagged as a copyrighted image and is "self-made". While this may be true, because it uses elements of a trademarked image, the KSU seal, it likely still falls under trademark. Further, I have never seen any of the branch campuses use a seal other than the one used for all of Kent State that says "Ohio 1910" at the bottom. If they use their own versions, it certainly isn't on any of their websites or literature I have seen. This series of pictures from the KSU-Stark website shows the main seal used in commencement and for speakers.

I'm also not sure the picture of Dr. Boze on this page or her bio page Betsy Boze are allowed either. Just because someone uploads an image does not mean they have the rights to release it into the public domain. It's allowable if the actual photographer uploads it.

ANSWER PHOTO: The photo was taken by Kent photographer Bob Christie and uploaded either by him and/ with his written permission to use it for this.

This needs to be stated somewhere that Bob Christie took this photo and releases the rights of this to the public domain. The current photo tags do not say this. --JonRidinger (talk) 04:32, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

ANSWER SEAL:

Kent State Stark has had it's own seal for some time, just like the Honors College, or the College of Nursing. Both logos are used. Actually all three. The Kent logo is prominent in architecture, and nobody has been inspired enough to actually want to pay for changing them. The old Stark logo IS on the webpage, see for example, the strategic plan http://www.stark.kent.edu/CampusInfo/upload/Kent%20STARK%20CAMPUS%20PLAN_FINAL.pdf This is being phased out as the one you see on the wiki is phased in. It is on the web pages

The link provided does not work. I wasn't making references to architechture...the official seal of Kent State University is featured on podiums and hanging on the wall in the background of a commencement (as I pointed out from these photos in a previous post), hardly elements which would be difficult to change if Stark did indeed have its own official seal. Regardless, if Stark does, it is copyrighted and the current image on Wikipedia Commons is incorrectly tagged as a public domain image. Further, Kent State Stark is still a part of Kent State University, so until it becomes completely independent, the main KSU seal will supercede the Stark seal just like it supercedes the seals of the Honors College, College of Nursing, etc.--JonRidinger (talk) 04:32, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

1. 2...the name. The name of the article is currently "Kent State University Stark Campus" so that phrase needs to be in the opening paragraph. The current website of KSU-S still uses that exact phrase, so it is the "official" name even if the University System of Ohio calls it "Kent State University Stark". It is probably due to the fact that the map that identifies KSU-S is labeled "regional campuses", so saying "Stark Campus" would be redundant in that instance. I don't believe the University System of Ohio has the authority to change the name anyway...that would come from Kent State and the Stark campus itself. Regardless, until the official websites change, this article needs to reflect the current name and current alternate names that are used. Further, it is correct to call it Stark campus since it is not independent of the main campus like a UNC-Charlotte or UW-Green Bay is from UNC (Chapel Hill) and University of Wisconsin (Madison). Stark is a campus of Kent State University, not a sister school. --JonRidinger (talk) 16:57, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

ANSWER CAMPUS NAME: The old policy historically said that the first time a regional campus name is used, it should say the whole thing "Kent State University Stark Campus" after which we may call it Kent State Stark, Kent State University Stark, Kent Stark, etc. Pages 11-12 of Kent State University "Guide to University Style spell this out http://www.kent.edu/ucm/marketingguide/style/upload/guidetouniversitystyle-2rks.pdf

 "Effective January 2008
 Guide to University Style

 names of campuses —

 Always write out in full and capitalize; subsequent references should be capitalized:
  Kent State University Ashtabula Campus
  Kent State Ashtabula
  Ashtabula Campus.

 The Regional Campuses are as follows: Kent State Ashtabula, Kent State East
 Liverpool, Kent State Geauga, Kent State Salem, Kent State Stark, Kent State
 Trumbull and Kent State Tuscarawas."

For several years a conscious decision has been made to minimize the use of the word "Campus" in the title (but still to describe the physical location and facilities) while following the policy. The preferred name is Kent State University Stark, including on official documents (diploma covers, course schedules. Since the section is titled Kent State University Stark Campus, that is the only time that the word "campus" need be used.

That said, the name and mission of the campus has changed.

This is not an "old policy" as it is dated January 2008. This policy is exactly what is on the current article. You kept attempting to remove the first instance of the phrase "Kent State University Stark Campus" which was what was the problem. Notice there are no other uses of the full term in the entire article (other than titles), nor have I or any other editors tried to add them. Our edits have been in harmony with the KSU guidebook in first using the full official name for the page title, the infobox title, and the opening line, and then using a shorter approved name throughout the article. --JonRidinger (talk) 04:32, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

As another editor also pointed out, the powers that be at KSU-S do not make decisions on the content of a Wikipedia article. Until their own communications make it official, the article is still titled "Kent State University Stark Campus" since it is the official name used by KSU and KSU-S on their own site, so that phrase needs to stay in the opening paragraph. You'll note that throughout the rest of the article, "Kent State Stark" is the used phrase, since it is by far the most common. --JonRidinger (talk) 04:14, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

ANSWER CONTENT. Kent Stark's web page is being continuously updated. I'm sure that there is a reference somewhere to Kent State Stark Campus, but heck if I can find it other than in architectural photos! If you will let me know, I will have them removed. Hopefully not find KSU-S as you/she call us (except architecturally) as this is NOT an approved use of the abbreviation or the name (and it could be Kent State Salem or even Kansas State for that matter!)

"KSU-S" is a phrase I used in this discussion for a small abbreviation. You will not find it anywhere in the article ever. The phrase "Kent State University Stark Campus" is, however found on Stark websites and the very guidebook you referenced states that the official name of all the regional campuses is "Kent State University xxxxx Campus". --JonRidinger (talk) 04:32, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

This isn't about tying to own the wiki -- we want and need all the help we can get! But it OIS about getting the message correct and trying to refer questions back to one of the three people that can best answer questions and determine if the listing is accurate. Those people are Tina Biasella, Director of External Affairs, Rachel Figueroa, Marketing and Betsy Boze, Dean.

Since neither of you are on the ground at Kent State Stark, you are trying to second guess administrative decisions and estabilished policies and protocols.

This page does not belong to Kent State Stark in any way...it is about Kent State Stark. And really, even for those people to post they would also have to cite external sources as Wikipedia is not to be a "primary source," just like we have asked you to do as well as write neutral, encyclopedic content...see Wikipedia:NPOV. Basically, if it isn't published somewhere, it can't be a source, even if Dr. Boze herself edits the page. We are not second-guessing their edits since they have not edited the article, we are second-guessing your edits. Edits with proper sources won't be removed...see Wikipedia:Sources. You being at Stark does provide you with a closer perspective and maybe access to additional printed sources (books that may not be online, for instance), but being able to edit is irrelevant to where we are since the same characteristics need to be present on all pages: verifiable encyclopedic content that is well written, unbiased, and from reliable sources. You really need to study out the Wikipedia guidelines and policies if you really want this article to be a good article. Right now it is far from it. See Category: Wikipedia official policy. --JonRidinger (talk) 04:32, 11 June 2008 (UTC)