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[edit] Police controversy

Are there any citations for this section? Considering the accusations, there really should be. If not, the section should be removed. --BaronLarf 02:42, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

While not a citation, because I'm lazy, the Kenosha News, Racine Journal Times, and Chicago Tribute did cover the story. Racine Police were cited in the articles as stating they use water based pepper spray. Perhaps someone can provide citation in the article?


[edit] UW-Parkside

Interestingly no mention here of the UW - Parkside campus. I think that a link would at least serve justice. Also a little history from the AMC and American Brass, etc. days wouldn't hurt. Kenosha, Wisconsin in my opinion is a remarkable case of an American city that rebound after massive plant closures and depression. How was it done and who was behind the recovery is perhaps a noteworthy topic. HAE

[edit] Notable people

The list of "notable people from Kenosha" has grown quite large. Are all of these people really from Kenosha, and in what way? (i.e., born in Kenosha, grew up in Kenosha, visited Kenosha once in 1967...? :) HollyAm 00:55, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

The list has now been greatly reduced to only Kenosha born notable people. Spizzma 06:57, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
Thanks; I changed the heading to "Notable natives" then. HollyAm 21:48, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Also, I removed "Michael Bell", over whom there has recently been a POV edit war. This news story occurred back in November 2004 and as I see it, it's not really appropriate for listing here unless someone can write an encyclopedic article about the incident. But, similar incidents have occurred in many other cities. Plus, the editors who have inserted Bell wikilink it to Michael Bell, a voice actor, a completely different person. HollyAm 21:48, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

  • There's probably going to be a rash of vanity entries on notable people, as the wikipedia entry has been linked to on http://www.dailykenoshan.com by a user who deems himself "notable." I don't think its enough to go on a watch list, though. 68.248.229.244 01:00, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edit by 63.232.76.182

All due respect to National Geographic, but this does not sound right to me.Mikereichold 04:44, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

this page has a major flaw, kenosha is not a part if chicago land. many of the people in kenosha concider it to be an insult to be refered to in such a way.

What evidence do you have that it isn't? As far as I know, it is. Also, I live in Kenosha, and I have never heard of anyone be insulted by being refered to in such a way. And just a note, this does not have to do with the edit by 63.232.76.182, next time just start a new topic by putting == Title ==. :-)Spizzma 02:13, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kenosha as Greater Chicagoland

Please put points for and against Kenosha as Greater Chicagoland here. If the position can be supported, then perhaps it needs looked at. Otherwise, some references to Kenosha being part of Chicagoland would be useful.

  • According to the online community http://www.kenoshaonline.net/, there is a controversy about the designation of Kenosha as part of Chicagoland. This is a large (1,000,000+ hits) community, and appears to be a counter-culture to the paper newspaper, "Kenosha News." 68.248.234.180 09:44, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Kenosha is currently the only city in Wiscosnin served by the Chicago Metra system. 68.248.234.180 09:44, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Due to the possiblity of an edit war, a citation has been requested for the reference as Kenosha as a part of Greater Chicagoland. 69.212.21.82 09:34, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Kenosha is a strange case as far as metro areas go. You could consider it part of Chicagoland or part of the Milwaukee Metro area. Or neither. The reality is that it's both. Kenosha gets both newspapers. Kenosha gets two of every major local TV network (ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX). You'll find fans of both city's sports teams. I've seen most academics refer to Kenosha as part of Chicago and Racine, a similar size city just a few miles north as part of Milwaukee.

I live in Kenosha county and we are neither Milwaukee metro or Chicago metro. We are not anyone's suburbs. It really doesn't matter that we get both stations, have fans of both teams. That's because we don't have our own. Not many of us at all consider ourselves part of either. Racine and Kenosha are more each other's twins than part of anything else. They are very different, different crime rates, different housing types, different wealth levels, but are just as different as they are the same. Same culture, area, approximate founding, similar populations (however Kenosha's growing and Racine's shrinking). However most of us prefer to watch Milwaukee stations, probably because the Chicago stations exclude us. They don't put us in their forecasts, their news, anything. Milwaukee does. Plus, many advertisements in Chicago are Illinois-only, and many Milwaukee ads are also available in Kenosha. Why should we be considered Chicago when they express no interst in us?? The Person Who Is Strange 01:35, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it partly depends on whether the article is about Kenosha County or the City of Kenosha. Due to the large minority in southern Kenosha county (mostly in the town of Pleasant Prairie I believe) of former natives of the Chicago area and people living in Wisconsin but working in Illinois, it is arguable that the County of Kenosha may be significantly influenced by Chicago, that influence arguably being significantly less than the influence of the State of Wisconsin on Kenosha County. Even so, I don't believe that influence has much of an effect on the City of Kenosha or it's citizens. At this time the article is clearly centered around the city, therefor the Chicagoland reference is less relevant. This, of course, brings up the point that the Chicagoland reference would have more merit in the Kensha County article.

Kenosha is an odd case, until recently very culturally connected to Wisconsin and Milwaukee, but economically part of the Chicago metro area. This is not new. It has been decades now since Kenosha slipped from the Milwaukee TV ratings "book" into the Chicago ADI, which simply means that, statistically, most Kenosha residents watch Chicago stations. In terms of market share, Kenosha does not count as part of the advertising area for Milwaukee, but is counted as part of Chicago's market. If Keno was truly facing north, it would have hit the same rustbelt doldrums as Racine or Milwaukee, neither of which have the active economy that is evident in Kenosha. The increasing Illinois focus and changes brought by the shift in Kenosha's landscape have made some residents very nervous. There is a definite minority of people there who don't much like the "new Kenosha" and dislike the thought of being an outer suburb of Chicago, regardless of the evidence. But it is clear that Chicago is the power station that makes Kenosha's economy run, and that the effect has increased noticably over the past decade. DC600V 03:30, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Kenosha is an oddball and, for this reason alone, it cannot be part of Chicago-land but rather "heavily influenced" by the area. As far as sports teams go, the Chicago Cubs are king in Kenosha. Kenosha wasn't subject to the "stadium tax" that hit the areas around Milwaukee including Racine. But when we turn to football, die-hard packers fans seem to be the overwheming majority in Kenosha as well. The majority of the "Bears" fans you will find are actually ex-Chicago-area residents. I'd say WGN has a lot to do with how the Cubs came to be in favor in Kenosha, and the Packers are just a "Wisconsin thing". By the way, GO PACK! Gamegrid

[edit] Etymology of Name

Are we sure that the name "Kenosha" comes from Potawatomi mashknozhé (my guess on the proper spelling; on this page it's spelled "mas-ke-no-zha") and not just knozhé? The latter is the name for "northern pike" (see, for example, [1]), while the first probably means "muskellunge" (the literal translation being something more like "bad pike" or "ugly pike," judging by my limited knowledge of Ojibwe, where maashkinoozhe means "ugly pike"--i.e., "muskellunge").

It seems more likely to me that, of these two words for different types of pike--knozhé (pronounced k-noe-zhay) and something similar to mashknozhé (mawshk-noe-zhay)--the one almost matching "Kenosha" exactly is the origin. Does anyone have any references for the origin of the name that support "mas-ke-no-zha"? Or that support something different?

Thanks, --Red Newt 16:15, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

The Dictionary of Wisconsin History says "Kenosha" comes from the "Chippewa" word "Kinoje" to mean "pickerel or pike." But please keep in mind that "Chippewa" can be a collective term for all Anishinaabeg, and the area of Kenosha is not a traditional Ojibwe area, but that area was an area for the Potawatomi. The Ojibwe word described here in the Double Vowel spelling would be ginoozhe, which when converted to the Potawatomi orthography would be gnozhé. So Potawatomi? Yes. From Potawatomi word mashknozhé? No. From the Potawatomi word gnozhé? Yes. CJLippert 05:26, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

The preceding 'name' stories, are completely incorrect. Everybody knows that 'Kenosha' comes from Longfellow's epic poem, 'The Song of Hiawatha', chapter 8, refering to the pike 'Kenozha'.CorvetteZ51 11:50, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

i once read a kenosha news article that explained the origin of the name. i can't remember how the story goes, but maybe someone else does or could try and find it.

[edit] Pictures

I recently removed some poor pictures of Kenosha and I see they have been replaced with some that are much better. Thanks very much!

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[edit] Demographics

Whatever happened to the income levels? I can't seem to find them in any recent edits. Schnauf 18:18, 7 November 2007 (UTC)