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[edit] The current length of the article

It does seem slightly short to me but that's not my main point, which is that the list of pupils in the school has many entries (such as [[1]]) are now significantly longer than Kenny's article. This is just silly. If they stay that length then Kenny should have more -- particularly about his deaths, any information on which has vanished since the merge -- and if Kenny's article stays this length which is totally fine by me then everyone else should be hacked down to reality.

Also the entry on [[2]] is actually longer than this one. That's daft. They should be swapped round. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.66.28.146 (talk) 19:01, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Ken McCormick

How has Ken McCormick not been brought up already? He's the teenager who killed himself a decade or two ago while listening to Ozzy Osbourne. Did he inspire the name of the South Park character? Omegacc 03:49, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm... A decade ago is around the time South Park was born as a television series in our dimension... It is highly plausible. Yes, I'd say it ought to be mentioned. Wilhelmina Will 01:23, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

There's been nothing said about the relation of the two. And it is most likely a coincidence. Therefore, it isn't notable.--Swellman 03:03, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

dont forget kenny was killed by ozzy in one episode--Greenday21 (talk) 16:35, 24 March 2008 (UTC)Greenday21



All those listings where Kenny dies, and not one mention of the episode where Kenny kills death and the accompanying comment "Oh my God. Kenny killed death!" - Gible

Yes that is odd. That was definately one of South Park's best moments, even though it technically never happened. (That particular scene was from "City on the Edge of Forever", which took place in Stan's dream.)

what's so magic about it? he's a cartoon character.


He's different from other cartoon characters that's what makes him magic.

And, he keeps on coming back from the dead exept in Season Five he is dead until Season Eight, and in Seasons Six and Seven replace him with Butters, a stuttering minor character from other episodes.

If you actually read the article, he was only dead permenantly for season 6. Tweek also replaced Butters after six episodes. --Sonic Mew 19:57, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

How were Kenny's lines from the opening credits translated?

They weren't.

The list of episodes where he doesn't die should distinguish between episodes where he appears and ones where he doesn't

Also, the article should mention that Kenny is highly knowledgeable about illict, illegal, and sexual matters. For example (709), he shows the others how to pirate music from the internet.

For the list of episodes where he lives, we shouldn't bother listing episodes after his "permanent death", it just wastes space; it really only makes sense to have such a list when he dies in almost every episode and to list the exceptions.


Er...I found a website where each and every one of Kenny's lines in every episode are translated, but the curses aren't stared (*), therefore leaving the curses eligeble to younger audiances who may use them and get spanked (don't ask). Should I even bother posting a link to this site? --Wack'd About Wiki 22:21, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

yes plz post -20:50, 11 August 2005 (UTC)


The link is here:

http://www.namesuppressed.com/kenny/

Does anyone know how it works? KrisW6 01:02, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

does the site have like porno or dirty pics or gross sexual lesbians
What does that have to do with anything, idiot? The Matyr (converse with the Matyr) 21:20, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Can we get rid of this already??

In visual appearence: "It has not been widely noted, but it is possible that he is dressed in this way to make him appear like a vulva or venus symbol (♀). It has also been noted that his body is very similar in shape to an ankh, which goes along with the theme of reincarnation that is present in the character - see also Anorankh."

WTF?? This is one of the biggest problems in wikipedia, the opinions of one or few people are presented as widely known facts. --Kennyisinvisible 02:31, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Wow, come to think of it, he IS shaped like an ankh. Notable.

[edit] Too long...

I think this article is too long. Is a list of every single episode whether he died or not really necessary? I think per-episode trivia like that should be integrated into List of South Park episodes.--Jeffthejiff | Talk 14:47, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Highlander's Kenny

There was an immortal named Kenny who was stuck at the age of around 10 or so, and who was over 1000 years old, in the 1990s Highlander series. Since the Highlander immortals typically died many times but were endlessly revived (until their heads were cut off), is it worth mentioning this character in the South Park Kenny article? Kaijan 21:03, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Yea i think that is relevant it should be included. Ktrosten

[edit] The Biggest Douche in the Universe

Should we add something about the Season Six episode, "The Biggest Douche in the Universe", where Rob Schneider eats the pot roast Kenny was in and, after a montage with him as Kenny, gets killed like in Weight Gain 4000? You know...

"Rob Schneider is a somewhat popular comedic actor who seemed to have it all, until one day, he came across a pot roast and his life changed forever. Now he's sharing his body with an 8 year old boy, and he's about to find out that being 8 ain't so great. Rob Schneider is Kenny, rated PG-13." - NES Boy 23:02, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Meatloaf coincidence

In the song "Objects in the Rear-View Mirror May Appear Closer Than They Are" by Meatloaf, the first verse is about a boy named Kenny who died, and the second verse is about having an alcoholic father. Coincidence, or deliberate on the part of the writers? I didn't find anything on a quick google, but ... dsws 21:25, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I noticed that too. It might have been part of an inspiration for the character. --Cheeze Master 00:58, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Ask the people at SouthParkStudios. They might know. Wilhelmina Will 23:47, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Succubus

I watched this episode the other day, and it doesn't look like Kenny died at the bus stop. All I saw was that rats were chewing on him at night. He wasn't necessarily dead. --Rai 19:30, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I saw this episode as well and I think the joke was that they were waiting so long that Kenny was killed and came back to life, an event that usually takes one episode (or season as we would find out). Ladydayelle 20:14, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reverting to April 5 version

I'm reverting to April 5, 2006 version of this article as a user at IP 24.81.67.170 is clearly vandalizing this article with nonsensical pop-culture references.

when dos he talk in super friends?

I just wanted to bring this to your attention: On the list of fictional Italian-Americans, it says Kenny is Italian. Obviously, he is not. He is Irish. So, if anyone can take care of that, thanks.

[edit] Closed Capationed?

ive seen nearly episode of south park and i didnt know it was closed captioned thats cool. Thanks to whoever added this to the page --Tyler Thibeaux 08:48, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Shouldn't the main picture be the hoodless kenny from BL&U?

Deuxhero 06:56, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. He is mostly commonly seen with his hood on and we have only seen his face twice. PlumeNoir 15:24, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


3 times, infact (BL&U, THe MJ episode, and THe baseball episode). But yeah, the pic we have now is fine. 24.25.131.211 13:43, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree. It should show a pic of Kenny hoodless because I find it would make more sense. Oh, and now we have seen him hoodless FOUR TIMES, the fourth time in "Lice Capades". Misteryoshi 23:28, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

We also get to see Kenny hoodless in the episode "Super Best Friends", although he's shaved bald and thus is indistinguishible from all the other kids (besides Cartman). - Alph

No. He's known for wearing his hood and it's rare that we see him without it. It would also spoil BLU for anyone who hasn't seen it.--Swellman 02:12, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

i agree with swellman--Greenday21 (talk) 13:08, 19 April 2008 (UTC)Greenday21

[edit] Heritage

It seems more likely that Kenny is Scottish-American rather than Irish-American. McCormick is a Scottish name. In fact, "Mc", meaning "ancester of" is more common in the Scottish, while the Irish term for "ancestor of" is "O'". I'm not saying that all Americans whose surname starts with "Mc" should be considered Scottish-American. I'm just saying, if Kenny is of European descent, then it's more likely Scottish than Irish.

ndrly 11:00, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually, "Mc" is shared between Irish and Scottish (though the older Scottish spelling is "Mac" rather than "Mc") so I wouldn't say that necessarily proves Kenny's heritage is Scottish vs.Irish. There is a Scottish clan MacCormack, however, and I can affirm from my own family history that Scottish "Mac" surnames have been shortened in America. McGehee 18:24, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kennys age

In this article it says Kenny is the 3rd oldest of the 4 boys, yet in the Cartmen article it says Cartmen is the second youngest. Aren't these the same, or am I missing something?

[edit] weasel words in Season 7 - present

Some fans is hardly encyclopedic. This section needs some cleanup. Desertsky85451 15:31, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Season 10 death

He hasn't died yet in Season 10. The death of a Warcraft character is not the same thing as Kenny dying. CovenantD 22:12, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

On a side note, I've seen plenty of episodes since Kenny came back from the dead, and as far as I can tell; Kenny doesn't do much except follow the boys around and mutter a bit unless the episode centers around him. Then again how could he? Kenny's deaths were the only "theme" that he really had.24.118.115.62 04:14, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Order Of Who's Oldest To Youngest Doesn't Make Sense

When I looked at the South Park calender and then say the articles of the four boys. it doesn't make sense how Cartman can be the 2nd oldest, Kenny be the 3rd oldest and Kyle being the youngest. I'm sure Stan is the oldest out of the boys. Remember all the boys are 9. I will use the years 1996, 1997, and 1998 as examples and take it as this year of 2006. Stan's birthday is October 19 so and he's the oldest so he would have to be born in 1996. Kenny's birthday is March 22 but his article says he's the 3rd oldest and Eric Cartman's article says his birthday is July 1st and he's the 2nd oldest. But if Kenny's the 3rd oldest that would make him born in 1998. Kyle's birthday is May 26 and if Cartman is the 2nd oldest and Kenny being the 3rd oldest that would make him born in 1998. If Kyle and Kenny are born in 1998 that would make it impossible for them to be 9. What it should be is Stan being the oldest born on October 19, 1996, Kenny being the 2nd oldest born on March 22, 1997, Kyle being the 3rd oldest born on May 26, 1997, and Cartman being the youngest born on July 1, 1997.

[edit] Information Of Who's Oldest To Youngest Out Of The Four Boys From The South Park Calender

I got this information from the South Park Calender.

Birthdays If you use the cutoff date of September 1 by which all kids have to be 8 to enter 3rd grade, or 9 to enter 4th grade, then the four boys turn 9 during 3rd grade, and 10 during 4th grade. Given their birthdays in 3rd grade, the boys turn nine in this order: Stan - October 19 Kenny - March 22 Kyle - May 26 Cartman - July 1 If Cartman's birthday is February 4 instead of July 1, the dates are Stan - October 19 Cartman - February 4 Kenny - March 22 Kyle - May 26 Stan is thus the oldest of the four boys. Whether Kyle or Cartman is the youngest depends on when you believe Cartman's birthday falls. Cartman's is the only birthday we've seen so far (except for Jesus' and Grandpa Marsh's).

From this information Stan is the only one that we really know what spot of who's oldest to youngest out of the four boys which Stan is the oldest and that we can put in his article. Cartman's birthday could either be February 4 or July 1 so Cartman is either the 2nd oldest or the youngest which we can put in his article. Kenny is either the 2nd oldest or the 3 oldest which we can put in his article. Kyle is either the 3rd oldest or the youngest which we can put in his article. I couldn't find a site that can prove whether Cartman's birthday is February 4 or July 1.

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Stan_Marsh"

[edit] Voice actors

There is inconsistency about who is the voice actor for Kenny normally, and who did it for one episode. I don't know enough to fix it, just bringing the matter up.

"Kenneth 'Kenny' McCormick, voiced by Matt Stone (and, on one occasion, Mike Judge)" in the first line, and;

"Kenny's unmuffled voice sounds like a slightly higher-pitched version of Stan Marsh's. In the movie, Kenny's voice was performed by Mike Judge, creator of Beavis and Butt-head and King of the Hill. In the Season 8 episode "The Jeffersons", Kenny's voice was performed by Matt Stone." in the 'Character' section. Thanks.

[edit] Kenny's Religon

Kenny is a Morman because in the movie he goes to heaven and in the show when they show Satin talking to everyone about which religon was the right one he says it was Mormans.

This doesn't necessarily mean he's a Mormon. He went to Heaven in the movie because he performed the ultimate good deed, and Heaven in the episode "Super Best Friends" because he had to, in order to control the Golden PSP.

that episode is called Best Friends Forever--Greenday21 (talk) 13:12, 19 April 2008 (UTC)Greenday21

but is he an Islam?--sin-man 03:43, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
He goes to the same church as Stan and Cartman, and is therefore Catholic. See the episodes regarding the church, ie 410, where the boys are preparing for their first communion. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 168.105.116.67 (talk) 04:07, 21 February 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Unclear

Wait a minute, Kenny's deaths were phased out due to lack of interest or disability to find creative ways of killing him? It's not clear, it says both in the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Orthologist (talk • contribs) 16:44, 23 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Intro to Character section

The grammar and spelling was sloppy, so I cleaned it up some.

EXCUSE ME! Thanks. In a episode with Prostitute Song (Forgot title) Kenny clearly says "Yeah! Am I?".

And what is a Snorkel Parka?

[edit] Kenny.A sex worker and prisoner?

In a episode of south park Kenny given a hummer to the radio moderator for money.Then he get imprisoned. Did this make him to an sex worker and prisoner?

I think so.--Orthologist 13:45, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Kenny gets killed almost in every episode and nobody cares.

That changed in 2007. Kenny has actually LIVED now in more episodes than he DIED. You can't say he dies in every episode, the majority of the episodes now have him LIVING. FYI

[edit] Kenny's lines in the theme

Just to make it clear, Kenny says "I like girls with big vaginas and I like girls with big titties" in the them. no he says i like girls with big fat titties and really deep vaginas

On the new one, he says “I like licking sweaty minges, I like fucking horny bitches!” It's easy to tell if you listen.

We'd need an actual reference for that before we put it in the article. Tweeks Coffee 13:17, 16 March 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Vandalism

I've had to revert this page to previous versions 3 times today due to vandalism. Would it be possible to secure this page to some level since it seems to be more commonly vandalised than the other character's pages? Tweeks Coffee 19:11, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Are you sure Kenny gets vandalized the most? I could have sworn either Cartman's or the List of Students' pages get vandalized the most. Wilhelmina Will July 21st, 2007.

Well, I don't have a watch on Cartman's page, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me that it got vandalized all the time. I think the list of students page doesn't get the same kind of outright vandalism that this page was receiving at the time I made that post. I'm referring here to stuff like blanking the article and adding random cusswords. Tweeks Coffee 18:40, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


I don't think that the List of Students article gets blanked very much, but I frequently have to remove cusswords from there. Just the other day, one person wrote in Sally Turner's section "She normally fucks Kenny". Of all the nerve! Anyway, but Cartman has been blanked and has had nasty comments put in his article at least twenty-five times in the past week or so. Wilhelmina Will July 22nd, 2007.

[edit] McKormick?

In season 5 where the characters have the 3D versions in the intro credits, it's spelled McKormick with a K rather than a C, is this just a mistake or is the whole article wrong? aslate 21:41, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

It's "McCormick" on the official website: [3], [4], [5] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 96T (talk • contribs) 21:37, 7 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Futurame reference

In an episode of Futurama that took place on pluto, Leela pulled up and tightened the hood on her orange-brown parka so much that only her eye was visible. Think that may be a reference to Kenny?

[edit] picture

The picture for kenny at the top of the page makes Kenny look like he is always fighting. he is not like this at all. Can someone change his picture to the more standard one of him standing still? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.27.231.250 (talk) 02:50, 15 May 2007 (UTC).

Meh, it would go with his presumed Irish heritage, but you're right. He isn't always fighting. (Personally, though, he does look very alluring when he's angry.)

[edit] Make love, not warcraft

I don't think he dies there... his in-game character dies, but he himself doesn't. W1k13rh3nry 21:48, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Are we sure it's spelled "McCormick?" Juppiter 04:46, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

The gravestone in PinkEye says so = McCormick

[edit] In-universe

I would like to see more information regarding Kenny's impact on pop culture. He's one of the most famous and recognisable characters on the show; there should be mention of any references to him in the media, as well as the number of products based around him. Currently, the "appearances without parka" and "talents" sections seem very fannish and unencyclopedic. Have Trey Parker and Matt Stone ever explained how they came up with Kenny or what they think of him? Sorry to moan, but I think this article could be great with a little clean-up. Paul730 10:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] This Doesn't Make Sense...

One part of the article claims that Kenny was born in 1989, which would make him 18 years old. However, he is literally only half that age, as he is nine years old. I've changed it. 81.145.242.134 21:38, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Kenny was eight years old in 1997, when the show started. It's just that in their world, they don't age the way we do. South Parkite time flows differently than ours. That is why it took him four of our years to turn nine, and why it's taking him at the very least seven years to age again. If he was eight in 1997, he might have been born in any year, but for now we can assume it was 1989. I'm changing it back, like it or not. Wilhelmina Will July 21st, 2007.

The Creators have mentioned this before. They don't know if all the episodes equal one day, one year, one hour... they have never put a timeline in the shows. Sure some episodes show things like, NEXT DAY or 1 MONTH LATER, but to put the time the episodes air into perspective as the time in South Park is not true. Most cartoon characters don't age... Micky Mouse, Bart Simpson, Underdog...etc. To do so would mean drawing the character differently and in they just don't do that in cartoons. So, if the show first aired in 1997 and the scamps were all 8, how could any of them be born in 1998, a year in the future? Does that make sense?

It doesn't matter when he was born, even if it was consistent, which it clearly isn't because the show has a floating timeline. Kenny is a fictional character and therefore issues such as in-universe dates are irrelevent. What you should be focusing on is his first appearance, which I assume is that Xmas short with Jesus and Santa, although I'm not 100%. Paul730 03:30, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Changes

This articles needs some major changes in layout. There should be a section entitled "Appearances" which details his history on the show; his first appearances in the shorts and being written out in Season 5 etc. The next should be a "Characterization" section which incorporates the current "Talents" section. The "appearances without parka" list should be written in prose in a paragraph under "Characterization." The "Deaths" section is fine where it is, but could use a rewrite. Paul730 04:04, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

The article is looking better but it still needs major improvement. The main problem is that it treats Kenny like a real person as opposed to a fictional character. See articles like Jason Voorhees, Jabba the Hutt, and Jack Sparrow to see how fictional characters should be handled. The talents section has no real-world context whatsoever, and should be shortened considerably and moved to the "Personality/Characterization" section, if it should be included at all. "Family" and "Relationships" section are also in-universe and need improvement. The "Death" section is too long IMO, especially since there are two other articles about what is essentially just a joke. Sentences like "One episode explained that his soul returns to his Mother, and takes to another body, is reborn, and then grows to be 8 or 9 years old in record time" treat the joke far too seriously and is partially original research (is it ever stated anywhere that his "soul returns to his mother"?). This is what I meant by "resembles a fan-site" - this page should be written in a real-world context for those who have no understanding of the character as opposed to being bogged down with examples and unnecessary detail which are only of interest to fans. Also, the lead is too short - it should summarise the rest of the article. Sorry for the criticism, I'm working on the Buffy character pages and they suffer from very similar flaws. :) Paul730 15:24, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me, sir, but how can you be so certain he is indeed fictional? Is it not possible that he does exist in another dimension, or even in another quadrent? Many fans of the show have reported dreams in which the characters speak to them; we should not say that he is fictional with such strong evidence that he is not. Wilhelmina Will 20:35, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I really hope you're kidding. You find a reliable source that proves that Kenny or any other South Park character exists in another dimension and visits people in their dreams, and we can lend question to whether he is fictional or not. Until then, your claims of his actual existance are original research, not to mention just plain silly. He isn't real, and the article must reflect that. Paul730 13:47, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Contradiction

The "Death" section contradicts itself in first saying that people are not aware of Kenny's deaths..and then goes on to list the people who are aware (which is almost everybody) and when they express this awareness. It just plain makes no sense, and the entire section is messy and hard to navagate. Thank-you very-much. --Wack'd Talk to me! • Admire my handiwork! 02:14, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A Mess...

By that I mean this article. I mean it's just random events invoving Kenny throughout! Not to mention it almost seems like the article is talking informally to you. For example: "In episode 207 (season 2 episode 07) "city on the edge of forever" the boys are all retelling past events which incorrectly end in them eating ice cream and saying "now that's what I call a sticky situation". Anyway, cartman recalls kenny dying by fonzie after jumping over some school buses. Kyle promptly corrects him saying that that would be impossible, as kenny had just died earlier in that very same episode (207)." Anyway is the keyword. The rest of it was fine, but the word anyway would be used if you were talking to a friend and needed to get back on topic. This is an encylopedia! I'll gladly help the improvement of this article, but I need some support in doing so... Burn N Flare 23:56, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

While you're at it, the "References in other media" might need looking at as well - it seems to imply that Mr. Immortal, or rather his ability, is based on Kenny. This obviously can't be the case, since Mr. Immortal outdates Kenny by three years. Hersfold (t/a/c) 02:22, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Which is why I just cut the Mr. Immortal reference from the article. The Team Fortress 2 reference is questionable as well. I haven't seen the game, so I have no frame of reference--is there anything that specifically points to the "pyro" character's voice being a nod to Kenny, or is it a coincidental similarity?
As far as "other media" references, I would think that the song "Kenny's Dead" and the accompanying music video would be more relevant than what's currently there--but since the "Chef Aid" album was sort of an extension of the series itself, I'm not sure it's applicable. -- Pennyforth 00:45, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. I've read alot about Team Fortress and it turns out that they Pyro character has a muffled, hard to understand voice. I'm on the fence on putting information regarding this similarity, Kenny's voice is definitely important to his character, but I don't see how this gives it a reason to put information on it on this article. Burn N Flare 23:12, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

I was complaining about the state of this article a few months ago (see above) but I'm happy to see that an effort is being made to clean it up. :) There still needs to be more out-of-universe information in the article; Kenny may be the most recognisable of the SP characters in popular culture, so this shouldn't be impossible to find. The "Deaths" section seems to be condensed, and rather than mentioning every example, variation, or acknowledgment of Kenny's deaths in the show, we need some info about how his deaths have made an impact in popular culture. If Trey and Matt have ever explained why they kill Kenny off, how they came up with that idea, then that should go in too. I think the "Talents" section is redundant, as is they "Relationships" section, and original research needs to be purged throughout. Remember, making assumptions and drawing conclusions based on what characters say is original research - others may interperet it differently. This article still needs a lot of work, but hopefully it's moving in the right direction. BTW, I'd recommend that when citing episodes, use the Template:Cite episode. For example:
{{cite episode|title=[[Imaginationland Episode III]]|series=[[South Park]]|credits=[[Trey Parker]] (writer and director)|network=[[Comedy Central]]|airdate=2007-10-31|season=11|number=12}}
 Paul  730 23:47, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge proposal

The following discussion is archived. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Result - No objections to merge.  Paul  730 11:40, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

I've proposed that the article Kenny's deaths be merged into Kenny McCormick. The running gag of Kenny dying in almost every episode is notable, yes, but there's no reason why any encyclopedic information about that gag cannot be sufficiently covered on the character article, since the character and the joke are more or less synonymous with each other. The subject of Kenny's deaths is currently being covered on his own article, on the deaths article, the List of Kenny's deaths article (which has been proposed for deletion), as well as all the individual episode pages in which he dies. This is a ridiculous amount of coverage for this subject, especially since all the articles fail to establish any notability. On the List AfD, a couple of editors have claimed that Kenny's deaths are notable, and while I don't dispute that fact itself, I don't see any evidence of it here on Wikipedia. The current Kenny's deaths article does not provide any secondary sources establishing why the topic needs it's own article; it's just an abundance of overly-detailed in-universe information and original research, as fans theorise which deaths are "canon", why Kenny dies so frequently, and how the characters react to this. Merging the article would not result in the Kenny article becoming too long, because once you weeded all the cruft out the deaths article, there wouldn't be much salvagable info to merge over. Also, I realise that this info may be incredibly important and interesting to South Parks, which is why suggest that it be transwikied to the South Park Wiki. When reliable sources discussing Kenny's deaths are found, they can be included on the character article, since the character's only really notable in pop culture for dying all the time anyway, as far as I know.  Paul  730 11:36, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Agreed wholeheartedly. The fancruft needs to be cut, and certainly all the OR should be removed ASAP either way. Yes, Kenny dying is a big running gag of the show, but it doesn't need 2-3 articles covering it and should just be discussed as an encyclopedic topic in the Kenny article. Collectonian (talk) 01:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.


[edit] What the...?!

When I last checked this was a full paged article why is it now cut so short??! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.73.177.89 (talk) 18:00, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Explanation: - It had a number of problems. One, it was written from an in-universe perspective, instead of seeing the info on Kenny as fiction. Two, it contained a lot of original research, which means it had possibly untrue or speculative claims made without citing a reliable third party source. Three,It had a lot of trivia, padding and fancruft in it, and its screams for cleanup were dreadful to hear.
The shortness of the article gives editors a chance to start afresh by adding true claims backed up by a reliable source, write from an out-universe perspective, and not put in information which only matters to one episode. If it gets these same problems again, it'll have to be reduced to a stub again. This will keep going on until the editors get it right.
You can't really blame them; they try so hard. But most of them seem to be IP addresses or newbies in Wikipedia, so they don't know enough about WP's policies for sculpting good fictional character articles to do it properly. But they can learn, and they can fix it, but only if they are willing. They also need good examples. Try reading Jason Voorhees and Jabba the Hutt for examples of good character articles.
The information is not lost, though. It was transferred to South Park Wiki, where it'll be much more welcome. You have no reasons for worries. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 03:59, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] List of deaths

Shouldn't there be a list of Kenny's deaths here? It would keep the length of earlier articles down a bit. Nemesis646 (talk) 20:08, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Growing back to its old self, forewarned:

The article is being expanded again. While I'm all right with this, I predict it won't be long before fans start inserting padding and cruft in here again; some have tried to move it back completely to the way it was before all that junkalunk was removed. Before it needs to be reduced to a stub again, I think we should work primarily on getting external information on Kenny, in other words, expanding his "Other media" section and basically ignoring the rest of the sections. Anyone like? Wilhelmina Will (talk) 20:07, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I am willing to help, maybe you can setup a list of topics that can be added--Darko3d (talk) 13:46, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Wrong side of the tracks

when the boys go to sleep at his house in the chickenpox episode they cross the tracks and are immediatly in a the crappy are kenny lives in. Is this supposed to represent the wrong side of the tracks or something?♠Д narchistPig♠ (talk) 02:38, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

First things first; what on earth is "the wrong side of the tracks"? And do you capitalize it when referencing? Wilhelmina Will (talk) 02:53, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
you know, like when people talk about badass guy, they say hes from the "wrong side of the tracks. this just seems to symbolize it or something.♠Д narchistPig♠ (talk) 20:23, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kenny J. McCormick?

I noticed that it is now Kenny J. McCormick. Please I'm confused where did the J come from? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.239.75.244 (talk) 05:41, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

It shouldn't be there. I already tried to remove it. Apparently the user who put it in has tried to put it back. It'll be dealt with though, my dear. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 05:59, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kenny in Japan

In volume 3 of the Shrine of the Morning Mist manga, one of the posters shown in Yuzu Hieda's room is that of Kenny McCormick. In episode 5 of FLCL, Lieutenant Kitsurubami's has a Kenny McCormick keychain and when Naota is having an awkward conversation with Mamimi, his appearance changes to resemble Kenny and talks with his voice muffled. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.111.167.170 (talk) 00:34, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


[edit] mittens/gloves

hes shown on a few occasions they're gloves when he hold up a hand you can see finger.♠♦Д narchistPig♥♣ (talk) 02:30, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Important fact!

Kenny is (like Stan, according to his article) left-handed. (In "Cartman Joins NAMBLA", Kenny is lis shown playing catch.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.71.175.5 (talk) 04:16, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Also, the hacked orange curtains can be seen in Chickenpox (season 2). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.71.175.5 (talk) 06:30, 2 April 2008 (UTC)