Talk:Kenneth Pinyan

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[edit] Name of Stallion

The stallion's name is shown at the start of the Mr. Hands infamous video clip to be "super sam" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.67.29.196 (talk) 20:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Mr Hands Clip

- I believe a section addressing the mr hands video's circulation around the internet amongst certain crowds (the main reason why this article would be of interest, i think) would be benificial to this article. I've also seen various posts by someone claiming to be mr hands on a bestiality forum, will look into this as well. this entry is much better than the other mr hands article.

also, a clarification is needed seperating the video being filmed when mr pinyan was injured and the video circulating online.

There used to be a link to the clip, but it got deleted. I propose it gets put back in.

No. It adds nothing to the article; while Wikipedia is not censored, this doesn't override the fact that the link isn't useful here. Zetawoof(ζ) 07:13, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Beyond it not being the fatal incident (I haven't watched the clip but I assume that to be so) and thus not really relevant, the content is not suitable for wikipedia. One simple reason being that it is illegal in many countries and I personally do not believe illegal content should be put on wikipedia. BabyNuke 12:50, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
"I personally do not believe illegal content should be put on wikipedia" - makes me glad your opinion doesn't matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.78.69.127 (talk) 05:31, August 26, 2007 (UTC)

I'm not clear on how a dead freak is "notable." Momentary mention in the news for being stupid is hardly the stuff of encyclopedias. What about the guy born with two penises? The man with an extra arm? The guy who smoked 110 cigarettes at once? There's nothing here that can't be found with one read of a google page. I propose deletion.Mzmadmike (talk) 00:39, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

It's notable for being the single most read newspaper article in the Seattle Times' history, resulting in a change in state legislation, and having a film shot about it which featured at the 2007 Sundance and Cannes film festival. That's a whole lot more notable than the 110 cigarettes guy. BabyNuke (talk) 15:20, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mr. Hands is not this guy

Let me explain. When this guy died, there was alot of news coverage. On alot of site's, people were wondering if this was real, So a famous video called Mr. Hands was posted to show that it is possible. However, because video's showing anal penetration with a horsepenis on a man are so rare, people naturally thought the guy in the Mr. hands video was the same as this man who died because of it. I know this to be false, however, because i have had the video years before this came into the news. While it is possible the video was earlier footage of this guy, there is no evidence for that. I belie ve the Mr. hands references should be removed.

Added a note. BabyNuke 12:04, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
For what it's worth, that is him. However, I don't have any reliable sources which I can cite. (Honestly, I don't even know what one would look like.) Zetawoof(ζ) 20:24, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Fair enough - I can't be bothered to go find the video and compare it with the photo from his yahoo profile to figure out if it's him so I'll take your word for it. You're probably as reliable a source as it gets in this case. BabyNuke 21:30, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Actually, the Yahoo profile is a rather reasonable source for linking "Mr. Hands" and Mr. Pinyan. In particular, the profile gives his real name as "KP", which matches. Zetawoof(ζ) 22:28, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Having seen the Mr. Hands video, I think it has to be him. No human could survive the full penetration that the man in that video received from that horse. If you notice,in the beginning of the video the "assistant" is holding the horse's genitals back to keep him from fully penetrating the victim. This is because having a horse go that deep and actually reaching orgasm = perforated colon. It is indeed the video of the incident. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.74.170.156 (talk) 00:51, 13 April 2007 (UTC).
Old usenet postings of his also links "mrhands" and "Kenneth Pinyan". They are one and the same. Evan1975 20:55, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Even if they are the same, its not the video of the incident, because the video has been circulating on the internet for years now, long before the incident.
Not to mention that the police confiscated everything they found at the crimescene, including the video showing the actual accident. And the police never released any of the material. Omegastar19 (talk) 04:30, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Who performed on whom

I find the information on who was the active part in the sexual activities quite crucial, yet it is not to be found. I suspect some kind of anal intercourse, but this is not specified. Could more knowledgable people than me please add this information? 62.131.79.6 18:02, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

The horse fucked him in the ass. --SPUI (T - C) 05:47, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
That's gotta hurt!!!
Most likely, yeah. That's Enumclaw for ya. At least Catherine the Great had the good sense not to try anal penetration with a horse. Still killed her, but bleeding to death from an anal injury? I thought that shit only happened in the movie Caligula. Wandering Star 00:39, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
Do note that there's no evidence that she ever did anything with horses. Given that she died at the age of 67, anyway, it seems unlikely that she'd be engaging in hijinks in the stable anyway. Zetawoof(ζ) 00:48, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
My favorite part of the article is this little gem: "...he was considered very experienced at receiving anal sex from stallions...." Priceless. Well, now, I think I'll chalk this up to one of the things NOT to try...wait a minute, I already decided that BEFORE reading this article. :D —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.57.52.253 (talk • contribs).
Probably a safe decision, yes. Zetawoof(ζ) 06:51, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template removal

I left this comment:

You added the template for deletion to this article, but there are some problems with it. First, you didn't actually do anything beyond add the template. Second, you haven't discussed or explained why it would not be considered a valid article. I myself can't see a reason.
Not being sure what you want to do, I've deleted the template, and if there's a discussion you want to have about the article, may I suggest its talk page would be a good frist stop? Many thanks -- FT2 (Talk | email) 00:32, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

on User talk:75.7.152.96. FT2 (Talk | email) 00:34, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why is Enumclaw in See also????

Any content on that page which refers to this incident has been removed... either that article should have that content replaced or it should be removed from the See also section on this one, although to be honest I find it confusing that Enumclaw is mentioned at all, since I can't find any information on Wikipedia to link Enumclaw to this article... Sk8a H8a 03:45, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Because that's where it happened. For some reason, there's been an effort to remove mentions of this from the relevant articles. I've readded an explanation to both articles. Zetawoof(ζ) 07:38, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
There was an external link to the Seattle Times article in the Enumclaw article; I think that was sufficient. However, if the consensus is to include a cite, that's fine, as long as it's factual. Some previous cites have been overly inflammatory and not true. --Jslik 05:03, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Moving?

Didn't Pinyan move to Washington State specifically because there was no law there against sex with horses? DS 14:41, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't know, but I think it's more likely that he lived where he did because of his job at Boeing. I see no evidence for him living there for legal reasons. BabyNuke 15:25, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wasn't the Mr. Hands video in the Zoo film?

It might be the real deal then.

I'm not sure how that follows. As was mentioned earlier, the video you're probably thinking of was recorded and available online well before the incident. Zetawoof(ζ) 19:33, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Why wasn't the horse brought up on charges? He gets to have all the fun and no punishment? Damn liberals.

I admit, I laughed. Raul654 (talk) 17:04, 16 January 2008 (UTC)