Talk:Kennedy Curse

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[edit] Popular Culture

Aren't there things in popular culture, like songs and movies that realate to this? I know there is the Kennedy Jig. Anything else? 4.240.54.40 06:13, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

I thought the same thing when looking at the article. Numerous Clone High jokes come to mind: "Haha! Nothing bad ever happens to the Kennedies!" Asasa64 09:05, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed Text

I just removed this text:


"The improbability of some repeated instances of misfortune within one family, especially two high-profile political assassinations, have prompted others to regard the "curse" as evidence either of a conspiracy against certain members of the family or of a psychological cloud (such as a pattern of risk-taking and controversy) on the family, or a negative theological influence (e.g., bad karma or a deal with the Devil)."

This is getting way to close to original research, even though it's trying hard to be phrased as NPOV. If you insist this be in the article, please find someone who is actually arguing the above statements and then put it in like this: "Journalst XYZ has argued that ______." Right now it reads like a conspiracy theorist is actually the wikipedian writing this material. --Quasipalm 21:38, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

This argument has been made from time to time, especially as the consequence of the fact that the fortune of Joseph Kennedy Sr was made by rum-running. However, I will concede that it is close to original research, although it is not. Robert McClenon 01:42, 28 August 2005 (UTC)
The introduction just added is much better. Thanks anon editor. --Quasipalm 13:49, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
"The Kennedy Curse refers to a series of unfortunate events that have happened to the Kennedy family. While these events could have happened to anyone, some have referred to the continual misfortune of the Kennedy family as a "curse." The improbability of so many repeated instances of misfortune within one family, especially two high-profile political assassinations, has raised questions as to whether the "curse" results from sheer bad luck or from coordinated violence against the Kennedy family."
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Quasipalm (talk • contribs) 13:49, 29 August 2005

[edit] Curses vs. Stupid Behavior

???? Ginger Hair???? Why would this be a curse?

I can see why some of these, like cancer diagnoses or plane crashes can be categorized as curses, but I'm wondering why things like Joseph P. Kennedy II's jeep crash and Michael Skakel's murder conviction are listed as curses. Seems to me these are just run of the mill cases of wreckless behavior and people behaving with deliberate stupidity.24.60.184.196 01:34, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

And how does surviving the Chappaquiddick or being found "not guilty" of rape qualify one as "cursed"? - Nunh-huh 07:39, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

It is referring to bad things happening to the family, not neccesairly things that were uncontrollable. 4.240.54.40 06:13, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

I think it is stupid behavior, not a curse. But the stupid behavior may result from the way Kennedys have been brought up, which seems to be that they think of themselves as supermen who can take risks normal people don't - like an inexperienced JFK Jnr flying to Martha's Vineyard on a hazy evening. A 'born-to-rule' belief would be their real curse. Elitism 07:04, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

I have also heard a theory that these events are due to greater risk-taking behaviour on the part of the Kennedys and, as such, this may be considered genetic. Unfortunately, I can't remember where I heard it ...

I'm particularly bemused to notice that the article cites the "curse" as related to the deaths of Jacqueline Kennedy's fetuses and newborn child. Has nobody else seen the pictures of her smoking like a chimney while carrying the child which died during JFK's presidency? That's a better explanation right there; not some "curse" dreamed up by bored reporters for tabloids. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:49, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Why isn't Jackie's Death listed?

[edit] References

This needs references. I think I botched the formatting a few times.Tmcw 00:34, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kathleen Kennedy's father-in-law

What about mentioning the fact that Kathleen Kennedy's father-in-law, Edward Cavendish, 10th Duke of Devonshire died in the presence of John Bodkin Adams?

He suffered a heart attack on 26 November 1950 while in Eastbourne, England. He was tended by his general practitioner, John Bodkin Adams, the suspected serial killer, and died in his presence. Despite the fact that the duke had not seen a doctor in the 14 days before his death, the coroner was not notified as he should have been. Adams signed the death certificate stating that the Duke died of natural causes. 13 days earlier, Mrs Edith Alice Morrell - another patient of Adams - had also died. Adams was tried in 1957 for her murder but acquitted in controversial circumstances. Home office pathologist Francis Camps linked Adams to 163 suspicious deaths in total. Malick78 11:58, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Christina Onassis

If Christina Onassis was not included as part of "The Kennedy curse" because she is not a Kennedy, then why was Anthony Onassis included?? --Sli723 Sli723 00:43 & 02:38, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Stuff to Fix

[edit] Coincidence

"coincidence theory" link is incorrect -- points to a math article, not a theory of the ubiquity of coincidences as expected —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ninjagecko (talk • contribs) 04:59, 5 June 2007

You can't be serious. This article has nothing to do in the real world???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mily22 (talk • contribs) 13:41, 13 June 2007
I revised the lk to point an arguably applicable article. (Note however, that this lk surely should be used in-line somewhere and the "See also" secn eliminated.)
BTW, the markup was [[Coincidence point|Coincidence theory]], so unless there were intervening edits, the source may have been vandalistic intent rather than carelessness.
--Jerzy•t 21:12, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Poorly Researched and Sensationalist

It is quite out of the ordinary that such a page like this can exist in such a form. How does this in anyway relate to the paranormal? There is no reference of the actual curse that was apparently put of Joe P Kennedy which turned out much later to be nothing more than a story. This was later picked up by some in the media and applied to the uncommon tragedies that have occured within this Kennedy family. However tragedies themselves are subject to definition of the very word, this page has not defined what it believes constitutes a tragedy nor is there any justification for a 'curse' to be anymore deserving of anything more than a stub page with a few lines rather than this all-out sensationalist article that even lists people with the smallest connection the to the particular Kennedy family under discussion. Is it any wonder that the events of 1963 in Dallas go un-investigated in many respects when people concentrate time on building tragedies almost worthy of Shakespear! (Unitedirishman07 16/11/07)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Unitedirishman07 (talk • contribs) 04:44, 17 November 2007


[edit] Material moved from Kennedy family

IMO,

Most famously, President John F. Kennedy was assassinated in 1963. Previously, his older brother Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr. was killed (in a plane explosion) on a special mission toward occupied Europe in World War II. His brother, Robert F. Kennedy, was assassinated in 1968, while campaigning for the Democratic nomination for the presidency.
Prior to that, the late president's sister Kathleen was killed in a plane crash. Later, in the 1980s and 1990s, 2 of Robert Kennedy's 11 children, Michael Kennedy and David Kennedy, as well as JFK's only surviving son, John F. Kennedy, Jr., would each die at relatively young ages.

in Kennedy family was too much detail there that duplicates this article instead of summarizing it. I don't know if it is already covered adequately here.
--Jerzy•t 04:27, 31 December 2007 (UTC)