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[edit] APF

Could this in reality be AFP, Agence France Presse, like the first source? Chris 16:45, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

No, although a few major news outlets made the same mistake. Nagai worked for APF News. —Viriditas | Talk 19:12, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
A "question" isn't the same as a "mistake"-the word probably should have been "speculation". Chris 00:16, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
You are correct; my apologies. —Viriditas | Talk 00:51, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your good nature about it, and I appreciate your contributions! :) Chris 22:50, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Notability

So apart from getting shot, what exactly makes him noteable? VonBlade 20:31, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Is that enough? a Journist get shot is very noteable subject on its own. Are you asking the noteable in English world? May I ask if you know Japanese or even Chinese ? If you do, I encourage you to find out more on this "notebility issue" of yours ? To a Japanese, similiar questions can be asked for Bob Woodruff. --203.218.239.238 21:02, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Please don't feed the trolls RaseaC 21:50, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
I most certainly wasn't trolling. The initial article left much to be desired. It is much clearer now. Still haven't ever heard of Bob Woodruff. VonBlade 23:55, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Please assume good faith. 87.244.73.107 00:00, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Woodruff became popular in the western press due to his injury in Iraq while on assignment. —Viriditas | Talk 00:53, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
The Japanese deputy foreign minister is going to Myanmar tomorrow to demand an explanation in person. This has been the top story in all newspapers and network news channels all day long. I think it's notable. JACOPLANE • 2007-09-29 00:27
If this was an article was written before he was shot (and if he was never shot in the first place) he would be un-notable; though as per PLANE he is a news subject and he appeared on the main page, the guy is pretty notable. -- (Cocoaguy ここがいい contribstalk) 01:49, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No Japanese interwiki?

I am suprised.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  01:05, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

It looks like it is there now. Does anyone know if we can upload Nagaikenji.jpg to Commons for use on this page? —Viriditas | Talk 07:59, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Props to Mailer diablo for uploading and adding images to the article. —Viriditas | Talk 08:40, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Shot in the back?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyFc9YoskHI

watch and listen to this video carefully. seems pretty clear to me that he was shot in the back at point blank range, fell face first, bounced onto his back when he hit the ground and was not touched or shot after he hit the ground.

was it a burmese physician who declared he was shot in the chest? skelly 22:47, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

No idea but it's completely irrelevant unless there are reliable sources discussing your concerns Nil Einne 12:39, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
It looks like the article may need to be updated to reflect the most current appraisal of the evidence. A story by Agence France-Presse appears to state that Nagai was shot in the back,[1] superseding an older story in The Times.[2] It's also the opinion of Toru Yamaji, president of APF News.[3] It's a little bit confusing considering the volatile situation and the way the material is presented, so I haven't yet made the update. I would like to have additional, official confirmation. If someone else wants to give it a go, by all means make the revision. —Viriditas | Talk 14:26, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Continued to take pictures?

"Nagai continued to take photos as he lay wounded on the ground, later dying from gunshot injuries to the chest." If he was shot through the heart as a later section alleges, how the hell was he taking pictures from the ground? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.95.7.113 (talk) 21:17, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

No idea, but several sources maintain this. An APF representative is trying to retrieve his camera. —Viriditas | Talk 21:46, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Strange (sic)ness

Euphronius 14:48, 1 October 2007 (UTC) What is the purpose of all the "(sic)"s following the word Myanmar? The latter term is in common enough use that it is pedantic to try to smear it with a latin term used to indicate an error. The introduction of all these mini-whines makes the article (and even references!)like trying to read a newspaper while sitting in a cloud of mosquitoes.

I thought it was idiotic too, so I removed them. 64.251.48.119 16:56, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Response

Referring to the comment by Badagnani in the Response section; the paragraph was a short conclusion of the Burmese government's unofficial local response (an article) in the Burmese newspaper. There are differences between official response outside and a (differring) account in the local newspaper inside the country. Articles in the Burmese government owned local newspapers normally reflect the government's opinion. Anyone is welcomed to make the paragraph or the whole section better. I am looking for the English version of the article to reference but to no avail. --Kyaw 2003 12:46, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

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The result was merge. —Viriditas | Talk 10:31, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge proposal

It is proposed that The Group Protesting the Murder of Mr. Nagai by the Army of Myanmar be merged into this article as a subsection of this article as this group is not notable. There are groups such as this formed every time a journalist such as this is killed, and they all collect signatures and comments from people protesting the killing. I'm not saying they aren't doing an admirable thing, but that they aren't notable on their own. This information can very easily be incorporated into this article, and (to me) it makes a lot more sense to have it here than to have a separate article. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:39, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Please indicate your Support or Oppose opinion, and include detailed reasoning behind your opinion. Please remember this is not a vote, but a discussion to determine consensus on this proposal. Thanks!

[edit] Discussion

  • Support as nominator. My reasoning is given above. ···日本穣? · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:40, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Support. —Viriditas | Talk 04:15, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Support after summarizing to one short sentence or less. The article on the laboriously named Group really does make it sound underwhelming. "OR" tells me that plenty of large Japanese corporations (like plenty of large non-Japanese corporations) get on very well with long-lasting, military regimes (they appreciate the "stability", and perhaps the low wage rates too). The regimes benefit from these corporate relations. I thought the Group might be applying pressure on Japanese corporations (either directly or via politicians) to disentangle themselves from the "Myanmar" regime. But no, it's just gathering "signatures" (via web form) for a letter to that regime. It wants 100,000 signatures. If it gets these, my crystal ball tells me that they will accomplish nothing whatever. ¶ However, this is just me and my ball, and my opinions are of course of no consequence. Has this Group got press or other significant coverage? (If so, we haven't been shown it.) -- Hoary 04:00, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Support Better organization and easier access by merging. --Kyaw 2003 12:38, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
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