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I may have personalized this listing when it was not intended. Ken Hart is significant to Americana. His important contribution to America was vital to the true meaning of our country. Especially at a time, 2006, when immigration, true legal immigration, is such an issue, the importance of the part Ken Hart played in the story of America is very significant. True, this fact is debatable to the degree to which one places importance on American citizenship. Ken Hart may not be as important to...say an American whose roots are not tied to the undying freedom that America has to offer, as his importance would be to one who has descended from a long line of those who have enjoyed and contributed to the foundings of our country. The Ken Harts of America are those whose families debarked on Ellis Island. Those days are gone, and the right to live in America is now simply and practically "given" to anyone able to smuggle themselves in or who happen to be from a family with (shall we say) "politically" influential ties. I hope in time, that others who knew Ken Hart will help assist in the evolution of the facts. Over time, I will acquire all the facts that I can. I know that in developement these facts, I will show the IMPORTANCE of Ken Hart. His life had IMPORTANT influence on and with Bert T Combs, Robert F Kennedy as Ken Hart accompanied Bobby Kennedy in Eastern KY[1] in 1968, A B "Happy" Chandler, Jim Host[2], and many others of significance and IMPORTANCE to America. Ken Hart shall be of IMPORTANCE also in the developement of the WikiConcept (hmmmm), as it will lead to the addition of many items into wiki that currently do not exist. I invite editing comments, as I am new to this, BUT I ASSURE YOU that, in time, I plan to reveal a most remarkable AMERICAN character, WWII pilot, newsman, composer, actor, father, playwright and lobbyist whose parents migrated from Romania to Ellis Island in the days of true accountability in America, and whose story needs to be told. Accountability, isn't that just what Wikipedia is really about?

So what you're saying is that Ken Hart is important...because he's important? That's a rather circular argument. GeeJo (t)⁄(c) • 08:34, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
I do believe that the co-composer of one of the most famous United States military songs, "Dogface Soldier"[3] is not only important, but also a significant example of the diversity of contributions allowed because of the freedoms available to Americans. I would hope that, instead of being a dissector of "rhetoric", we could follow the lead of the majority of Wikipedians and assist in the gathering of the information on a new entry. I am in the current process of gathering verifiable information on this subject. Please help me do the same.--ZorroZ 15:02, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
I don't understand all of the above. I've no idea what to make of "a significant example of the diversity of contributions allowed because of the freedoms available to Americans", for example, and I'm not really clear on "being a dissector of "rhetoric"". Can you express your point more clearly? My feeling is that Dogface Soldier may be worthy of an article, but that on the strength of this article Ken Hart is not. The guy who removed the {prod} saying "Playwright-composer-publishers are notable" is quite wrong. Only notable Playwright-composer-publishers are notable. I'll propose this article for deletion in a few days, unless it improves. AndyJones 16:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
You can nominate it for deletion, but don't use the prod template. =) Powers 19:50, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
So are you saying that the "airplane" is notable, but the "Wright Brothers" is not?.. or that the "toilet is notable and that Thomas Crapper is not...Ken Hart was the co-composer of a part of Americana, as was Francis Scott Key, the only difference being that Mr Hart's story has yet to be told...isn't that what Wikipedia is all about?...we could go to WalMart and buy an encyclopedia CD to obtain information that we already know..It is up to Wikipedians to "pen" information that is just hanging out in the world untold... --ZorroZ 20:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
I am not saying any such thing. I was just reminding AndyJones that the article has already been proposed for deletion and that doing so again would be improper (the proper next step being an AfD discussion). Powers 22:40, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
To answer ZorroZ' last comment - no, I'm afraid that's not what wikipedia is all about. We have an explicit policy banning original research. Material in this encyclopedia needs to be verifiable against outside sources. Ken Hart sounds like a top bloke, but I haven't read anything that suggests he meets our notability criteria. If you want his story to be told, then I'm sure no-one here would object, it's just that here isn't the place to do it. Perhaps write an article for a newspaper or, if you have the time to commit, write a book. Then, when it's published through a well known publisher, we can use that as a reference. In the meantime, I'm nominating the article for deletion. --Hughcharlesparker 14:42, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Do you now see what has happened.... is that because of the insertion of Ken Hart, we now need to add Dogface Soldier[4] to Wikipedia! So...either help me out here with gathering some of this info on Mr Hart or Dogface Soldier or the US Army's 3rd Infantry Division or Robert Kennedy in Eastern Kentucky or A.B. "Happy" Chandler (showing how all of these link to Ken Hart) or ...allow me and others to do the searching and writing..and just help us to make sure that we keep our ducks in a row...THNX--ZorroZ 21:05, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
What is important to me, may not be important to you, ...what is important to you, may not be important to me...we should not have the freedom of those considerations here. Is an article worthy of Subject in the scope of the purpose of Wikipedia....this is the question }-) --ZorroZ 21:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rewrite

Did my best - please review. Thanks, Crum375 00:03, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] THANKS

The rewrite is just fine. Thanks for your help. --ZorroZ 23:08, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Will Do

Well, I should say I will try. I just left the AfD and haven't quite figured how to place an entry in there...As for the "quality templates", I am afraid I do not know what that refers to, I am leaving for church and will work on this later this eve. Thanks again for your help. I am facinated with Wikipedia so much that I am trying to spend every spare moment to educating myself with the processes that will enable me to assist in quality edits and listings..as you can see, I have a long way to go..--ZorroZ 23:35, 31 May 2006 (UTC)