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Contents 1 Not Done Yet 2 Ken's Klubhouse 3 Hagiography? 4 Defense 5 High School statistic 6 Cleanup 7 "Griffey" redirect 8 Jersey Number 9 POV and references 10 ken griffey jr 11 Youth and early career 12 Tenure 13 Accomplishments 14 Picture

[edit] Not Done Yet

Why no mention of his son-father back-to-back homers? That was one of the more noteworthy things I've ever seen.

He's aging, but not finished yet. Check his numbers for 2005 compared to the prior few years. With the use of steroids by his peers, he'll be in the spotlight again as the real deal.

[edit] Ken's Klubhouse

Is that his official site? It doesn't say so. Just wonderin'. But kengriffey.com and kengriffeyjr.com aren't... -Wikitoddia 02:05, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hagiography?

I like Junior and think he has earned his accolades. Nonetheless much of the tone of this article feels a bit too informal ("Griff"?). I was considering nominating the article for cleanup, but I think would prefer first another set of eyes to give their opinion. Thanks. - Fractalchez 16:37, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, I used different names because using the same terms again and again becomes a bit redundant and sounds as though one has a limited vocabulary. And I don't think this is a hagiography by any means. No more than any other athlete's Wiki entry is. If it's a bit informal, well, it's only because this is Wikipedia and I thought there was a bit of leeway on tone. But if others think it should be more formal, that's fine. -Wikitoddia 22:23, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Tell you what: if a third opinion agrees with this I'll speak of it no more. It was only a general sense I got, and nothing so big that I'm not willing to be the minority vote; but otherwise I wouldn't mind lending a hand on it if someone else agrees the article could use it. - Fractalchez 16:15, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

This article is in desperate need of cleanup. Franklin Bynum 01:02, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Defense

I know Griffey's always been considered a god in center field, but the statement "his defense in center field breeched no rivals during that decade" has been shown to be false. Research has been done (I'll provide the link in a second) that shows that Griffey wasn't the best center fielder of the decade, at least in the American League. Devon White has a very good argument, and is at least a rival.

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/dialed_in/discussion/defense_over_the_last_twenty_years_part_five_al_outfield/

Caspian88 21:31, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I'd agree that the statement is a bit over the top, however during the 90's Griffey won a gold glove in CF EVERY year (10 of them) while Devon White (playing the same position) won only 5 during the same time frame. The comparison of White vs Griffey is not a good one. Griffey was hands down much better.

12.104.56.2 (talk) 18:34, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] High School statistic

SportsCenter just reported that Ken Griffey jr. never struck out in high school. How would you cite this? //Tecmobowl 02:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup

Definitely in need of cleanup. Way too much information about Griffey's first game back in Seattle. Maxheritage 18:35, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, and we certainly don't need to know about every home run he hits and who is pitching etc.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.165.189.69 (talk • contribs)

[edit] "Griffey" redirect

Griffey redirects to junior's page, without a mention of senior. Either "Griffey" should be a disambiguation page with links to the two, or junior's page should have a "This article is about the son, for the father, see...." notation at the very top.

[edit] Jersey Number

I have had to change his jersey number to 3 two different times. It was listed as 30 which it was in the past. But in the 2006 season he changed it over to number 3 to represent his three children. Even though the picture shows him wearing the number 30. He hasn't wore that number since the 2005 season. It even states in the wiki article not by me that he changed his number before the 2006 season to 3.

[edit] POV and references

This article strikes me as a little too adulatory of Griffey. That's not to say he's not a good baseball player or whatever, but the article really needs a more neutral tone. In addition, some of the more over-the-top statements need references if they're going to stand (the whole thing needs references, really). For example:

While with the Mariners, Griffey established himself as baseball's premier player. During the 1990s, Griffey was considered one of the best players of all time. Before injuries cut into his production, he was a top run producer and the best center fielder in the big leagues.

With no references, it sounds like it could've been written by Griffey himself. Cheers! Esrever ^(klaT) 02:52, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

• Err, agreed, but the "ref needed" tagging went to far. The guy got a gold glove in every year written 199X - that's wide recognition he was an elite defensive play (I'm not sure if it's true, but it was certainly widely believed to be the case). Mr Lemon (talk) 14:29, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ken griffey jr

ken griffey jr is nnot an ameriacn icon that alot of little people can look up to yes,he is good at baseball but can he help the little people to help, give, and care for others. i didt read not one thing that he did for another person. he need to be pput down for the most un noticed player.§ jazmine hunter —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.207.85.124 (talk) 03:42, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

speak english first and then maybe someone will listen to you 74.242.238.171 (talk) 20:12, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Youth and early career

I edited the "baseball's premier player" reference to "one of the most prolific and exciting players of the era", citing selected stats from '89 to '90. I came to these totals by visiting Junior's page on baseball reference dot com. Anyone is welcome to double-check the math. I hope this edit tips the scale back in favor of neutrality. While Griffey is one of my favorite players, there is no evidence to support ANYTHING such as "premier player". Benjammin2u (talk) 06:54, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tenure

i cleaned up this article a lot.. some really poor grammar, clearly biased statements, and unnecessary filler was taken out.. i also added a personal section with something that was totally out of place, and added his record breaking 1702nd RBI. i'm not sure if it's 1703 or 1702, because on the espn article it says 1702, but reggie jackson hit 1702, so it might actually be 1703.. i'm not sure... can someone confirm this for certain? Enjoisktboarding2 (talk) 05:08, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Accomplishments

The page should mention that he holds the record for consecutive games with a homerun (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCI/is_5_61/ai_84542689). I remember this being a pretty big deal when it happened. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.235.9.25 (talk) 04:49, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Picture

I think it's pretty clear that history will remember Griffey as a Mariner. He will probably end his career in Seattle, and will almost certainly enter the Hall of Fame as a Mariner. Wouldn't it be appropriate for his Wikipedia picture to follow suit? (though I could also see this waiting until after he has finished his career or left the Reds). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sage Joch (talk • contribs) 05:35, 27 April 2008 (UTC)