Talk:Kempeitai

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Wow, very AliceChannesque article. The guy who wrote it probably never consulted history book written by academic historian. Yoji Hajime

Contents 1 Cleanup 1.1 Japanese Secret Services and the Axis Powers 2 Wartime mission 3 Huh? 4 Duplicate articles 5 Why is this article named Kempeitai? 6 Notes on Language

[edit] Cleanup

Apart from grammar, the first part of the article now contradicts with second part (on experiments on people and possibly others). A knowledgeable person should resolve these - perhaps Japanese Wiki should be asked. Pavel Vozenilek 01:59, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

I've Englished the first section while trying not to change the information presented. --Cubdriver 22:17, 6 January 2006 (UTC) Later: I have treated Kempeitai as a singular noun. Would it be better plural? --Cubdriver 11:29, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

I've readded the cleanup tag, as the current article is quite engrish-filled.

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[edit] Japanese Secret Services and the Axis Powers

This intelligence collaboration was maintained until early 1945, and in a greatly reduced from then until circa August 1945.

The war in Europe ended on May 8-9, so the intelligence exchange would have ended by that date. Sv1xv (talk) 23:06, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wartime mission

In addition to the problem pointed out by Pavel above, this section contains the mission statement "Counterintelligence and counter-propaganda - run by the Tokko-Kempeitai as 'anti-ideological work'" with the word Tokko Wiki-linked to what appears to be a completely different, non-military organization. One of these two Wiki entries must be wrong. Any idea which? --Cubdriver 15:29, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Is there a contradiction? The Tokko probably thought they were working against 'subversion', just as much. By references to other pages this can be calibrated (jazz, reading foreign literature). Of course the wording on this page should be better put, but 'counter-propaganda' is pretty broad. Charles Matthews 14:24, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, certain a contradiction! The heading says that the Kempeitai was responsible for this, and the "evidence" is that something called the Tokko-Kempeitai did the work. Are you saying that both organizations worked the field? If so, then they should be separated by "and", and perhaps "both" inserted before Tokko. I read it as saying that the Tokko were a branch of the Kempeitai. --Cubdriver 19:06, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

I've cleaned up the English (grammar and spelling) of this, and deleted the self-contradictory denial about the involvement in BW research. Guinnog

[edit] Huh?

Some from the Anglo-American world comment that "Japan and its territories did not have the writ of habeas corpus, so individuals had no rights and were presumed guilty when arrested (by military police)". However, this is wrong attribution. European civil laws have "presumption of innocent" under an inquistorial system rather than adversarial system of Anglo-American common law.

Personally I don't understand what is trying to be said here.

And what was the German equivalent alluded to of this "gendarmarie", the Gestapo? I think perhaps it's a little misplaced to compared this organization with its sweeping and arbitrary powers across society with the bourgois police of republican France. I never heard of this outfit before until I was motivated to research it after hearing it discussed in Clint Eastwood's film Letters from Iwo Jima. Tom Cod 03:45, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Duplicate articles

There appear to be two articles on this same subject. One entitled 'Kempeitai' and the other entitled 'Kempeitei.' They deal with identical subject matter but have obviously been written by different contributors. These two articles should be merged under the heading 'Kempeitai.'

Tomasjpn 16:03, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Not any more. rediects in place now.--71.242.127.31 14:20, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why is this article named Kempeitai?

It is read Kenpeitai. That's the reading on the Japanese wikipedia. -- Ishikawa Minoru 19:46, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Look at the end of this section in the MoS. "Kempeitai" is the more oft-used romanization due to historical reasons. -129.21.117.92 (talk) 00:38, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notes on Language

I don't think it's standard to add cute little "pronounced ____" to foreign words, so there's no need for the phrase "pronounced roughly "kem-pay-tie." The article should just list the kanji.

Furthermore, there is a hideous lack of kanji. "Kempeitai jourei"? 憲兵隊条令　was too difficult to include? Also what's with using all the French terms? "Kenpeitai jourei" should translate to "Kenpei ordinance", no need to bring in these weird "Gendarmes". I'm changing these. --198.82.102.107 (talk) 06:36, 28 March 2008 (UTC)