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[edit] Sisters Murder

Parade Magazine of Aug. 26 '07 has a 2 page article on him. In it it says his sister was raped and slashed, and left to bleed to death in the summer of 1975. She was 18 at the time. I know their was some discussion of this in prior comments, so there is a sourced location for information on it (and other facts obviously).

[edit] Drug Addiction

HE's in people treated for drug addiction category, but no mention of it anywhere in the article - remove/sources please?!?88.104.138.16

[edit] This Article looks like it has been Ninja'd

This article is in terrible shape, note the odd dates (the 1800's), the odd ages, and the seemingly random information. Note the following paragraph taken from the article for evidence: "Born in St. Thomas in the Virgin Islands, Grammer moved to New Jersey with his mother after his parents' divorce. In 1968, when Kelsey was 47, his father, whom he had only met twice, was murdered on the front lawn of his home in the Virgin Islands; in 1875, his sister was raped and murdered after leaving a Red Lobster restaurant in Colorado Springs, Colorado. Kelsey, who was 81 at the time and enrolled in the Juilliard acting program, stopped attending classes and was expelled. In 1999, his twin half-brothers were killed in a shark attack while SCUBA diving."

So Kelsey was 47 in 1968, his sister was raped in 1875, he enrolled in Juilliard at 81? Finally, I do not recall Mr. Grammer ever saying "Wat tiggers like to do best!! bounce"

I have restored this article to the last apparently respectable version before it was hijacked. To the previous editor, who I think added some detail or two in good faith but did not notice the hijacking, please re-add what you had submitted. I am sorry about that, but the article was in terrible shape and it needed to be returned to a responsible form.

Wtlegis 15:34, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Birthday?

Born on February 20 or February 21? Sources differ. --rbrwr

The sources listed in the Google search lean toward the 21st, and he's been listed as February 21st as long as I can remember (that's my birthday, too, so I do remember!). I'm changing it back... --TobyRush 14:58, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] She left a crustacean?

"His sister was murdered after leaving a Red Lobster in Colorado Springs, Colorado". Sorry for being stupid, but what does this mean? -- Cortina

Well, "Red Lobster" is the name of a chain restaurant in the US. Colorado Springs, Colorado is a city in the US, but I assume you were referring to the reference to "Red Lobster". Does this answer your question? I'll edit the text to clarify the meaning in the article... —Frecklefoot 15:22, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)

[edit] a role like one of Mom's henchmen in Futurama?

I cleaned up the note comparing his upcoming role in The Fairly OddParents Movie to the character in Futurama, but I'm still pretty confused by it and it seems out of left-field. I'm tempted to remove it altogether. Anybody know how significant the relation between the Futurama character and Grammer's new role is? -VJ 19:51, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Substance Abuse

"Grammer's life has been marked by tragedy and, as a result, occasional depression and substance abuse" is the only mention of his substance abuse - more detail could be given. Didn't he spend some time in jail for cocaine, and I think he also crashed his car while drinking. I don't know the details of it all. - Matthew238 08:29, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Resemblance

I removed this from the page: "He also bears a striking resemblance to Formula 1 driver Rubens Barrichello." Is that someone's opinion or an accepted fact?? I doubt it belongs on Wikipedia.

Holy Crap! - That's borderlining fact! =)
Indeed, the resemblance is striking. However, I'd say that Barrichello looks more like a cross between Kelsey Grammer and Hank Azaria.

[edit] Education

Many of the characters portrayed by Grammer are highly educated and sophisticated, is this also true of Grammer himself ? Jackpot Den 06:40, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Kelsey was enrolled in Julliard, was expelled after skipping classes (apparently distraught over his sister's death) and trained at the Globe Theater in San Diego. So highly educated as portrayed on television, no... but you have to hand it to him for making us believe that he is.

[edit] Time spent being Dr Frasier Crane

Grammer spent 20 years playing this character: - In episode 11x15 Naneette Goosman (played in this episode by Laurie Metcalf) says to him "Do you have any idea what it's like to play the same character for 20 years?". A nice reference.
- He joined the Cheers cast in 1984, 2 years after the official start of the show. Frasier ran until 2004, therefore it is 20 years.
Greggykins 02:13, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] This article has been seriously vandalized by stealth vandals

I just read through this article and have concluded that it has been seriously vandalized.

For example,

  1. I did the page List of fatal, unprovoked shark attacks in the United States by decade. During the month or so I researched that article never once did I encounter any reference to Kelsey Grammer's twin half-brothers being killed in a shark attack while scuba diving. This sounds like a crock of bullshit to me.
  2. The facts surrounding his sisters murder are suspect. I don't remember her being raped. She was an employee of Red Lobster (not a customer) and was killed during a robbery.
  3. There are all kind of quotes attributed to him that I don't ever remember him saying, and there are all kinds of anecdotal stories about him that I don't remember ever hearing before.

This article is also noteworthy for what it leaves out. He grew up in Pompano Beach, Florida in Broward County; however, the article mentions nothing about this fact.--Hokeman 19:31, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it's vandalisms; it's all true - reported in a variety of sources - but maybe we should list some sources here. - Matthew238 02:10, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
I agree. I've seen and heard all the facts listed in a variety of places, not just here on Wikipedia (just because it sounds like B.S. doesn't mean it's not true). But this article suffers from the same problem as many other articles on Wikipedia, it just lacks sources. We should look into sourcing the facts, but shouldn't outright revert the information until then. Until sources are found, we can just use the {{fact}} tag, which will encourage others to provide sources. — Frecklefoot | Talk 14:41, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Grammer's sister was NOT an employee of Red Lobster and was NOT killed in a robbery. She was waiting in the parking lot of Red Lobster at closing time waiting for her boyfriend who was an employee to get off of work. Three men attempted to rob the restaurant and fearing that she might be able to identify them, they abducted her and raped her numerous times before killing her and leaving her bleeding to death in an alley. [url]http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/classics/karen_grammer/8.html[/url]
His twin half-brothers Billy and Stephen Grammer were killed in a scuba diving accident off of St. Thomas, Virgin Islands in 1980. It is still unclear the exact nature of the accident but authorities suspect it was a shark attack. [url]http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0103/16/lkl.00.html[/url]
So not vandalized or completely bullsht. -BeckieS 209.121.248.192 10:46, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, it looks like you did your homework and even have sources. Bravo! You can go to the article and fix the facts and can even provide sources (like this: <ref>[http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0103/16/lkl.00.html Larry King Transcripts: "The Unsinkable Kelsey Grammer"] from [[CNN|CNN.com]]</ref>). Steve Dufour 13:34, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Filmography

Why not have the complete filmography available from the IMDB? I copy and pasted the information to this article with a wikify tag because I haven't the time at the moment to format it. The filmography is complete (including some miscellaneous archive footage) all from the IMDB. VandalHunter 14:08, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Politics

Just a little comment: That section could really, really use some sources. That is all. 199.126.137.209 01:19, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kelsey's IQ

I've deleted the following part of the page:

[edit] Genuis

Kelsey Grammer has an estimated IQ higher than 200.


Whoever typed this has failed to give a reference for it. It is highly unlikely for any individual to have such a high IQ. To put it in perspective; you're gifted when you have an IQ above 130. Professors at the better universities are likely to have an iq around 150, Nobel prize winners (not including the peace and literature Nobel prizes) are likely to have an IQ around 160 (like Albert Einstein). So, if Kelsey Grammar would indeed posess such a high IQ the difference between his intelligence and that of a ordinary nobel prize winner would be even bigger than the difference beween a normal and gifted individuals' intelligence.


IQs of 200 are extremely rare (in the neigborhood of 1 in 30,000 people). If true about Grammer, a citation would be needed.

By contrast the incidence of an IQ of 150 ranges (depending on the source as well as interperetation of study data) anywhere between 1 in 300 people and 1 in 1,200 people.

Sean7phil (talk) 09:50, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


Though I agree you were right to move this statement (as it is unsourced) - you're justification for doing so seems bizarre. IQ tests are a poor measure of intelligence, but a very good measure of how good one is at answering IQ tests (training and practice can improve performance). It may simply be that, though he may lack the intelligence of a Nobel prize winning physicist, he is very good at IQ tests. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.153.13.68 (talk) 12:11, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Political activism section

Here is what it says:

On September 21, 2003, during an appearance on Hannity & Colmes on Fox News, Grammer expressed an interest in running for United States Congress as a Republican.[1] He indicated that it was something he would consider when his children were older. During an interview on the The Today Show, he told Matt Lauer that he wouldn't enter politics until he felt he was more knowledgeable on the subject.[citation needed]
He was a celebrity guest at President George W. Bush's first inauguration and has endorsed Rudy Giuliani for president in 2008.

I don't think this amounts to notable political activism. It would be better if there was one sentence somewhere in the article that says he is a Republican and has said he might run for Congress someday. It doesn't need a whole section. Steve Dufour 13:34, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I went ahead and shortened the section, merging it with the personal life section. No important information removed. Steve Dufour 13:49, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Protect feelings?

A user just recently revised this sentence:

They have a son, Jude Gordon, and a daughter, Mason Olivia, together via a surrogate mother.

to remove all references to a surrogate mother to "protect the feelings of the children". I'm sorry, what? Is this an unusually harsh thing to mention? Obviously this was mentioned in the media or it wouldn't be in the article. Do we have to leave out this piece of information in the interest of good taste? — Frecklefσσt | Talk 02:11, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes. In the world of medicine, and surrogate parenthood is at least "para-medical", there is a tradition of protecting people's privacy. I feel that WP tries (and should try) to have a higher standard than the media, and certainly than the Internet in general. Also, what possible importance does this fact have to do with Mr Grammer's notability? Steve Dufour 02:44, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Okay, anyone other than the person who deleted the information in the first place have anything to say about this? I'm not sure what you mean by WP having a "higher standard". WP is not censored, and deleting information like that is censoring. Clearly Grammar doesn't have qualms about this information being public, since he's probably the one who mentioned it in the first place. And it was made public in the media. And if he does have a problem with it, that's part of the price of being famous.
I don't really feel obligated to explain or defend Wikipedia policy to you. But, in short, the information is relevant, referenced and presented in a neutral tone. It's not original research and it's not untrue. I think the only person it seems to bother is you. It's not like we're divulging the name of the surrogate mother (though if it were reported, we certainly would). I'm waiting for more responses. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 14:44, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
True, sourced, encyclopedic information should not be removed due to someone's "feelings". —Nricardo (talk) 03:41, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kelsey Grammer died?

If i'm not mistaken, this article suggests Kelsey Grammer has died? I can't find information on this on any other site. Some kind of 'prank' ? :s —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.131.95.133 (talk • contribs)

I can't find the information you refer to, so it probably was just some vandalism that was promptly reverted by a watchful editor. If Grammer died, we'd no doubt hear a lot about it in the press. — Frecklefσσt | Talk 13:25, 3 December 2007 (UTC)