Talk:Kelli Maroney
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[edit] Birthdate
A user who is apparently Kelli Maroney herself (User:Kellimaroney) has "corrected" her birthdate to 1965 a few times, and it has been continually "corrected" back by various users (see edit history). If the source for the reverts is IMDB.com, please note that she has stated in the edit notes that she has submitted her passport information to the site and a change is pending. If the last revert is correct in that MN birth records put her birthdate at 1960, someone should provide a verifiable source before reverting. Obviously, she should not be required to send copies of her passport to any Wiki editors. TAnthony 19:50, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
- I would like to know what proof is needed to show that she was born in 1960? I attended school with her in Minneapolis (De La Salle High School). She was in the class of 1978. I was in the class of 1981. I highly doubt that she was 13 at graduation. I do have yearbooks. So if this user (KelliMaroney) can explain how someone that was in a class 3 years ahead of me, is now 2 years younger I would appreciate it.Jakazz30 15:27, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
- Assuming there is no other online confirmation of 1960 besides IMDb.com (which is user-updated, has been known to be incorrect and does not include sources), I think it is completely appropriate to cite the yearbook itself, like this:
- Kelli Joan Maroney (born December 30, 1960[1]) is an American actress ...
- Despite any protestations by Maroney herself, the yearbook is a verifiable source like any book. It obviously does not state her birthdate explicitly, but it infers beyond a reasonable doubt that she was not born in 1965 (barring new evidence that she was, in fact, a child genius who graduated at 13). You can just copy my ref above (inserting the correct yearbook title and page, etc), being sure to copy the Ref section (below) into the article as well. After you've done that I'll add an IMDb reference as a second source. Let me know if you need any help. TAnthony 16:15, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
- I have to disagree. If the yearbook doesn't state her date of birth, then you can't use it as a reference on her date of birth. Also, I think a yearbook might qualify as a self-published source, definitely not good enough when we have an article subject complaining about the article's content. On the other hand, we also have no cite for the 1965 date either, so I'm taking that out. Videmus Omnia Talk 16:26, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
- I suppose we should err on the side of caution, but I think the very nature of a yearbook makes it reliable as far as establishing year of graduation. I was actually going to suggest that 1965 be taken out as well, as it is indeed basically unsourced. WP:BLP allows the subject of an article to remove information, but I am uncomfortable with the conflict of interest created by an actress potentially shaving a few years off her own age. There will probably be no reliable source to prove her age either way, so especially in this case where she has objected to the information, I suppose any year should stay out. TAnthony 17:09, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, I run into this situation a lot, since my primary gig is contacting article subjects for images. IMDb publishes a statement disclaiming the accuracy of their content, so it can't be used as a source if anyone (especially the subject) complains about it. Videmus Omnia Talk 17:18, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
- I suppose we should err on the side of caution, but I think the very nature of a yearbook makes it reliable as far as establishing year of graduation. I was actually going to suggest that 1965 be taken out as well, as it is indeed basically unsourced. WP:BLP allows the subject of an article to remove information, but I am uncomfortable with the conflict of interest created by an actress potentially shaving a few years off her own age. There will probably be no reliable source to prove her age either way, so especially in this case where she has objected to the information, I suppose any year should stay out. TAnthony 17:09, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
- I have to disagree. If the yearbook doesn't state her date of birth, then you can't use it as a reference on her date of birth. Also, I think a yearbook might qualify as a self-published source, definitely not good enough when we have an article subject complaining about the article's content. On the other hand, we also have no cite for the 1965 date either, so I'm taking that out. Videmus Omnia Talk 16:26, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
- Assuming there is no other online confirmation of 1960 besides IMDb.com (which is user-updated, has been known to be incorrect and does not include sources), I think it is completely appropriate to cite the yearbook itself, like this:
[edit] References
- ^ The Manifesto, De La Salle High School yearbook, Minneapolis, Minnesota, 1978, pg. 25.
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- I would volunteer that the removal of age is probably a good compromise. I would send either of you a copy of the scanned yearbook pages if you are curious at all. (I dug them out of storage today, just in case.)I will add though that if the 1965 b-date does return, user Kellimaroney should add to her biography the part about graduating at age 13, and landing the role on Ryans Hope at 15. Pretty impressive.Jakazz30 06:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- Well, you could always make the statement that she graduated from De La Salle in 1978 and provide the source, and let readers think what they want to think. ;) TAnthony 08:15, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not really comfortable with the yearbook as a source - a Star/Trib reference would probably be better. Videmus Omnia Talk 12:14, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- Well, you could always make the statement that she graduated from De La Salle in 1978 and provide the source, and let readers think what they want to think. ;) TAnthony 08:15, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
- I would volunteer that the removal of age is probably a good compromise. I would send either of you a copy of the scanned yearbook pages if you are curious at all. (I dug them out of storage today, just in case.)I will add though that if the 1965 b-date does return, user Kellimaroney should add to her biography the part about graduating at age 13, and landing the role on Ryans Hope at 15. Pretty impressive.Jakazz30 06:42, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
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Videmus..are you a 'fan' of Ms.Maroney's? It would appear that you are wanting unrealistic sources for most of these edits. I have let the birthdate go...if you choose to live in a world where she graduated at 13, that's fine. (you better remove her Wiki listing on birthdates on 12/30/60, Apparently you and Kelli overlooked that page) But now I see that you chose to remove a movie from her credits. Is that because it was an embarrassing exploitation film? "Scream Queen Hot Tub Party" was released in 1991 by Retromedia Entertainment. The studio was Image Entertainment. It was directed by Fred Olen Ray (the man behind such other 'classics' as "Genie In A String Bikini" and "Bikini Airways") and Jim Wynorski (the genius behind the classics "Alabama Jones and the Busty Crusade" and the entire "Bare Wench Project" series). It is currently available at many retailers. There are many possible sources, I referred to AMG for some details, but a movie currently in stores seems like an odd choice for sources. Would I need a source to say that Tom Hanks was in "Forrest Gump"? Maybe you need to stop using Ms. Maroney's website or Myspace as your source for information. Is the movie something that she would like to pretend never existed? I'm sure it is. This site wasn't created to do her PR work though, it is her biography. That includes the positive and negative.Jakazz30 05:15, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
- Actally, I removed the film because I'm an idiot - I didn't look at the producer credits at IMDb. Sorry about that. As for being a fan, no. I don't think I've made any other edits to this page besides adding the image. She complained about prior problems with the birthdate when she supplied the picture, so I've kept an eye on the page - we have to honor that request (without a reliable source to the contrary) per WP:BLP. And you'll notice that I was the one who removed the 1965 date from this page as well. Thanks for the heads-up on the date page. Videmus Omnia Talk 11:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
