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[edit] Modifications

Modification without discution and when people remove link about new point of view and give more information about subject not corresponding to the spirit of Wikipedia !!ALLtheTrue 14:47, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

You remove without discussion and you send me private message for no remove something withtout discuss ?? By this way, don't give me manual of style or any lesson !! For the source of article you can see, official website first, you can see here: http://www.glamourcon.com/interview/kelle.html for a little interview and after that search in google !!ALLtheTrue 06:00, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

  • Ok, one item at a time:
  1. You incorrectly removed the 'unsourced' tag, since the article provides no references/sources
  2. You incorrectly removed the 'porn-bio' stub, for no apparent reason
  3. You removed valid info from the infobox, for no apparent reason
  4. You added incorrect categories; "Porn stars" should not be used, since it is a super-category of "Female porn stars", and "Playboy NSS models" was recently deleted
  5. You added an inappropriate external link (see WP:EL#Links_normally_to_be_avoided)
  • I've now fixed these issues. Valrith 05:15, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not game !! If you play with delete without explanation !! Don't surprise to see something like that ! So, My link is appropriate because this filmography give new version of filmography ! If you say DW make not reliable filmography IMDB too and try to prove the opposite to me (when I see a great mistakes in some filmography and IMDB is always on link, sorry guy I can't support today deleting like that)! IMDB is unsourced and not reliable by this way like DW !! Are you remove IMDB, no !!! Are you verify filmography before deleting ? no !! Are you here when official link of Kelle Marie removed ? no !! If you want deleting my link, YOU MUST discuss before, point !! You support big database business $$$ company ! Are you pay for that ? If IMDB can be here or others filmography (make bad works), why a freelance can't make a link (in external link (right place for that)) without delete by someone don't support the work of not big company !ALLtheTrue 16:51, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, well, well, I see something like that inside page from wikipedia:

"I'm just looking for a sanity check here on the external link that ALLtheTrue wants to include in Kelle Marie. It seems to fall into the category of Links to avoid" from WP:EL. Further, the site in question appears to be run by ALLtheTrue [1], which would make for CoI site promotion. Please give me your opinion. Valrith 22:49, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Nice to know what sort of people you are, when you not agreed with other people you use a nice one side diplomacy !! Really no comment ! And I'm not sure you help any people want to know other point of view !!ALLtheTrue 18:51, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

ALLtheTrue, please remain calm. Valrith seems to be very cooperative and wishes to find out the purpose of your edits. Please cooperate with him instead of making apparent frustration comments. If you feel that Valrith was wrong in reverting your edits you can discuss the issue while assuming the assumption of Valrith's good faith. Personally I too find Valrith's concerns valid and wish that you provide a valid explanation of how the link "dreamingwith.com" meets WP:EL. Also when expanding an article please make sure all the information is verifiable and cite your sources. Thank you for your understanding. - Tutmosis 02:11, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand why you say Valrith is cooperative !! Who delete something without explanation and delete always without wait any answer ?? It's the same you kill someone and you ask after ! You speak about the rules of external links !! Say to me which rules of the external links does not correspond with DW ! In other way, what sort of verification you make for IMDB, IAFD and AFDB ?? When this websites make mistakes !! Where you are for ask for sourced ? Where you are for remove links ? You want to say because more people knows this website or this websites have more visits or again perhaps have more filmography inside, then this websites is ok of course ? Really nothing serious behind some of filmography inside this websites, but wikipedia members give always blinded this links, without any questions of unsourced or others dark reasons !! Show me the source of filmography of IMDB and other database, I'm so curious about that !! I want ask you for the source of Justine Joli IMDB filmography ?? I'm interested for some big mistakes !ALLtheTrue 14:59, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

The website you provide is not reliable but appears to be a personal website. IMDB is prefered in this scenario because it's a reputable source. Even if IMDB is wrong as you state, WP:V starts off with the sentence "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth." Please do not disclaim reputable sources and seek original research on the subject, that is not what wikipedia is about. I reverted your recent edit for the same reason the previous editors have, wikipedia is built on guidelines and policies so know that we are not trying to annoy you but just to uphold those rules for the better of the encyclopedia. Thank you. - Tutmosis 16:15, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

IMDB is personnal Website too !! Cause I'm the owner you say I can't give a link ?? Sure what sort of luck have IMDB to have wikipedia members support only big website !! Wikipedia by the essence is for all !! Not only big company !! What sort of wikipedia it is if people like me can't be on eternal link !! IMDB have special place !! You say not reliable !! But, why not reliable ??? So easy delete external link and say not reliable or unsourced etc ... By your action you don't give any chance to other people have another point of view !! I think you don't know what sort of work it is making filmography ! IMDB is no more reliable of DW ! IMDB is prefered in this scenario because it's a reputable source - I'm sorry IMDB is reputable for classic movies not for porn movies where you can see big mistakes (but you can't see that cause you don't take time for verify) !! Cause only IMDB have more reputation (by what you say) IMDB can have link here ?? Ok, by this way you punish all the works of little website try making serious things ! You want to say something clear ! But It's clear you support only big websites !!! That's it !! And stop use spam word ! Definitly not spam !!ALLtheTrue 19:03, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Another off speaking about DW from village pump wikipedia: Place to discuss whether a link is suitable Where would I go to discuss whether a given website is suitable for linking to? I've come across a user (ALLtheTrue) who keeps adding links to dreamingwith.com to various porn star articles. Both myself and Valrith keep pulling the links out on the basis that it violates WP:EL. ALLtheTrue keeps adding them back in and arguing that they belong. I'd like to have some other eyes look at the situation and help sort it out. Tabercil 01:07, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Members more best for try find people follow and support their ideas, but never here for try to discuss !!ALLtheTrue 07:02, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Request for Mediation

Hello everybody. A request for mediation has been made. All involved parties, please take a trip to the case page, read the Mediator Response, and act accordingly. Thanks! --Mechcozmo 03:29, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I don't know why you speak about that, one of you don't wait the issue for remove the links !!! Don't need mediation in this case !ALLtheTrue 18:00, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
At this point in time, no further action should be taken by anyone regarding the links. Everyone will talk it out, and I will try to help everyone reach a compromise. This is to determine if you are right, ALLtheTrue, or if the other people are right, or if the answer falls somewhere in the middle. So, would you mind working with me on the case page we can see what needs to be done. Please read the Mediator Response and follow the instructions there. (The Mediator Response section changes, what is below it does not.) --Mechcozmo 18:13, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
As the mediation is closed, the decision is as follows: "ALLtheTrue is violating Wikipedia guidelines (namely, conflict of interest and original research) by linking to his own film database website." As this is the case, all links to ALLtheTrue's website should be removed. -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. Think out loud 00:50, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Note: Same if according the darkest rules of wikipedia with original research can be help elite members of wikipedia !! This members never answers about IMDB are no sourced (the reason of presence of IMDB is out of rules, reputable is not inside rules) and can't give a location AFDB where I can see work safe pictures !! Finally the rules is not same for big website and small website !!ALLtheTrue 05:55, 31 December 2006 (UTC)