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[edit] Vocals
The article currently says "Moon can be heard singing on several Who tracks," including a section of "A Quick One," "Armenia City in the Sky," "Bell Boy," "Pictures of Lily," "Instant Party Mixture," "Bucket T" and "Barbara Ann."
It's certain that he does lead vocals on "Bell Boy," "Bucket T," and "Barbara Ann." I'm not familiar with "Instant Party Mixture" and I've never given "Pictures of Lily" a good listen. However, I know that he doesn't sing lead on "A Quick One" (that statement may come from my own earlier, erroneous one) or "Armenia City in the Sky" (an error from another source). And is this meant to include only lead vocals, or backing as well? 65.244.131.146 (talk) 13:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Tranquilizer Incident
There was no mention of the concert where Keith Moon passed out during "Won't Get Fooled Again" from taking horse or elephant tranquilizers (PCP?). After they took him from the stage Townshend asked an audience member to play the drums for them. I would put it in there myself, but I don't have sufficient information on the event. This could be put in the Trivia or the "A reputation for destruction" sections. BigSciZot 19:09, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
If it is of any help to you, I know the venue was called "Cow Palace", it was in 1973, and the replacement drummer was named Scott Harpin.--Bappzannigan 23:03, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Excessive POV
Someone needs to re-write this article. It was obviously written by a fan and has a lot of POV!
*The POV is restating the opinion of others. I see nothing wrong with the article.
Yes I agree not sure what POV stands for mind you but I am sure it's not good. Errors!! He said lead balloon not zepellin, the last line about 3 remaining members need to be revised and the car in the pool most likely did happen. I have a source on that and will try and find it ASAP.
Hang on, the Wikipedia article on Led Zeppelin quotes Moon as predicting the group would "go over like a lead zeppelin", not a lead balloon. Which one is it, Wikipedia?
I put this quote in to Wikiquote. I found this quote in a book. Keith Moon said: "You'll sink, not like a lead balloon, but even faster, like a led zeppelin." Therefore he used both the analogy of a lead balloon and a lead zeppelin, hence the name of the group. -The Seeker
- what the hell difference does it keith moon rules make?Joeyramoney 05:19, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
I found a site that says Moon died of an overdose from the drug Heminevrin http://www.classicrockpage.com/rrheaven/kmoon.htm Should it be changed in the article? I found two sites that coincide on the drug and I think it should be changed. It's not right to have it wrong, and I understand the site I gave may be wrong, but I think it should be looked into.
[edit] style?
Which is it? Is Moon's drumming "tight", or "anarchic and out-of-control"?
--Re style:--
"Thight" player what comes to timing, "anarchic and out-of-control" what comes to creativity and improvisation.
He was a great mix of both, watch a video of him playing my generation (i'm sure there are better demonstrations but i'm not too hardcore a fan) and you'll notice that his playing would take him all over the place but he was able to stop on a dime in a really amazing way. --Cptbuck 02:41, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
He knew exactly when the band needed timing from the drums, and gave them it then. The rest of it was complete mad energy.
Moon's sense of time and melodic structure were both impeccable. Every note he played was just where it needed to be. (ever listen to 'the ox' from 'the who sings my generation') ? - his playing was unpredictable and insane, and his energy was off the charts - but I'd never call it out of control.
it says "Contemporary drummers and percussionists such as Neil Peart, Mitch Mitchell, Jeremiah Green and John Bonham could all point to him as a major influence." now, most of these guys were playing the drums while Moon was still in high school. Mitch Mitchell might have been in the club circut already, Neil Peart may be the only realistic one there.
Interesting, but it is quite possible to be influenced by a younger musician after one has started a career, and excellent drummers like the ones mentioned were constantly evolving.
[edit] Led Zeppelin / Lead Balloon
According to John Entwistle the original comment was "Lead Balloon", which fits with traditional English slang of the time. It's a term that has now pretty much faded from everyday use.
The "balloon" became a "zeppelin" for obvious reasons. The name was originally going to be used by Entwistle and Moon for their own band when they seriously considered leaving The Who (sometime around 1968) due to all the internal conflict.
A keen artist, Entwistle also claimed that he'd designed a rough album cover for this project....which featured a Zeppelin going down in flames....and the next time he saw an album with this image on the front, it was a certain other band....
[edit] Bisexuality?
There is no evidence whatsoever of Moon being bisexual. The only bisexual in the Who was Pete Townshend(no he's not 76.185.106.214 20:53, 21 June 2007 (UTC)). This is why I have removed the link to the GLBT category. Prairie Dog
[edit] Pete
Pete Townshend has denied claims that he is bisexual.
The rumours about Pete Townshend being bisexual originated from an interview where he described the song "Rough Boys" from his album "Empty Glass" as an account of his "gay life." Many people interpreted this as a coming-out. However, Townshend has clarified his statement as simply being a reference toward his friendships with people who are gay. He denies all accusations of him being a bisexual.
[edit] The Car/Swimming Pool Rumor
Another rumor thats not necissarily true about kieth is that he watched the buddy holly story the night he died. Rolling Stone's 1000th issue said that this isn't true. I don't know anything about it, but it would be worth investigating.
He did drive a car into a pond first after having an argument at tara with kim.
On Topgear (12/12/2004), Roger Daltry says (when asked about Keith Moon driving a car into a swimming pool): "I didn't see it, but I saw the bill". "I did see a bill for retrieving a Lincoln Continental from the swimming pool".
This isn't necessarily conclusive evidence, but it might be worth noting that there is still some debate about that particular event.
I saw a documentary series a few years ago called "Rock 'n' Roll Myths" that had an episode about this rumor. They talked to John, Roger and Pete alongside many of Keith's friends and employees of hotels that he had visited, but none remembered this happening. He did, however, drive his Rolls Royce into a river. There's a popular photo of this, which appears in the 'Cobwebs and Strange' section of the 'Kids Are Alright' movie. 87th 21:07, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
I can't remember which site I found this on, but Roger Daltrey says that he remembered the bill being $50,000 and that or he had been living another life or something.
[edit] Autistic
From http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/fridayreview/story/0,12102,1399761,00.html
In this interview, Roger Daltrey speculates on whether Moon might have been autistic. Might be interesting to put in the article
"Keith was a savant," he says. "The most amazing mimic. He could vacuum a character off someone in 10 minutes and he would then become them. Not just a caricature, he'd get inside. It was scary! He may have been a little bit autistic; we didn't know about those things then. There was definitely something different in his head."
[edit] Year of birth
Ok, so I changed his birth category to match the article (1947 > 1946), and the text has now been changed from 1946 > 1947 - plaus the note afterwards now seems to suggest it might have been 1948! Is there a definitive reference out there? sjorford (?!) 11:43, 23 August 2005 (UTC)
If you want to know any of the above for sure, read Dear Boy: The life of Keith Moon by Tony Fletcher. Nuff said.
[edit] Goldfish
Why isn't there anythign about his Goldfish Tank from The Tommy and Quadrophenia Live! Documentaries? I believe when asked why he had the goldfish in the tank next to his drumset, he replied, "Even the best drummers get hungry sometimes."
Legovan 17:19, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Death of Neil Boland
Neil Boland's daughter has tried to investigate her father's death and reports that witnesses said Moon was not driving the car. See her website at: http://del_pasado.tripod.com/keithmoonwasnotdriving/Pkeets 17:32, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Muppet Babies
I loved the article written about Keith Moon, but I would like to add one more thing that I have heard about him that might be nice to add into this article.
I have heard from different people that the character "Animal" from the muppet babies, is loosly based on keith moon, his style of play, and his life style. after researchin i found that there is already an article that has this info in it under the title "dr. teeth and the eletric mayhem" so if possible it would be cool to link these two together somehow.
- Maybe it's time for a Trivia section? With trivia sections though, they have to be watched carefully, as mundane facts and repetitive information tend to find their way into them. OsFan 22:05, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Biography
I've taken out a LOT of the biography section as the information was already in the article in other places. Also, a hell of a lot of it is unsourced, so I've stuck {{Fact}} tags everywhere. This needs to be sorted out sharpish. MightyMoose22 >Abort, Retry, Fail?_ 03:45, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
Most of the "unsourced" items come from Tony Fletcher's biography of Moon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.106.208.174 (talk • contribs)
- Well that's good, but they're still unsourced. If you can give them reference tags saying which page of the book they each appear on (or at least which chapter), then they will no longer be unsourced. MightyMoose22 >Abort, Retry, Fail?_ 22:27, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
I've got a copy of "Dear Boy" upstairs - it's a very good read and has been praised for its research. It was the first book to give Moon's correct birth date with a picture of his birth certificate. I can pull out the relevant chapters without too much hassle. --Ritchie333 20:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] I corrected a few things
1. he played a Ringo Drum
2. he was also heavily influenced by the beach boys, AND played that kind of music. Here is my source - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfxXwdtItXM
-TheBird
When you say he played a Ringo drum kit, do you mean one that was used by Ringo Starr? If so, that seems a bit unlikely, because at 14, it was 1960, The Beatles really didn't become popular for a few years later. JetPack 11:44, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Spirit of Keith Moon
There's a song called "Spirit of Keith Moon", published by the band "Peter and the Test Tube Babies" on their 1986 album "Soberphobia". It describes a 1st person character being instructed by Keith's spirit "through the psychic telephone" to rearrange his hotel room. Where does such a piece of information belong? 82.82.166.99 11:55, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
- The pop culture section. OsFan 22:21, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] ADHD
"It is possible that Moon had undiagnosed ADHD. This affliction was known at the time, but in a much lesser degree and may have been ignored. Moon later got heavily into drugs, especially amphetamines. Amphetamines in small doses is a common medication for ADHD, as it helps the patient concentrating. Moon's dependency on this drug somewhat strengthens the theory that he had ADHD, his positive experiences may be caused by better focus and a clearer mind, in addition to the more recreational effects of the drug." Are there any references to back this up, or is it all just speculation? SilentC 02:23, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
Moon's daughter, Mandy, also suspects her father had undiagnosed ADHD and said so recently in an interview. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.100.7.178 (talk) 14:56, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Keith Moon bar
Why does the bit saying that one of the bars at the London Astoria is named after him as a tribute require a citation?
- Probably because somebody could be full of shit. That's why. CynicofWiki 18:38, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] early life
those uncited statements were said on VH1 behind the music.
- Shouldn't they be cited as such? Just because you know where citations are coming from doesn't mean that everyone else does. Besides, it's the lack of citing here that leads to situations like that guy accused of killing JFK and RFK. CynicofWiki 18:38, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Flags
I have twice removed two (!) England flags from the infobox on this article. If there is consensus here that we need these then I will stop removing them. There is a centralised discussion on using flags this way at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Flag icons - manual of style entry?. --Guinnog 17:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
- 1. There is NO agreed rule that flags are not allowed in infoboxes.
- 2. There is NO dispute that I am aware of that Moon WAS English and did not change his nationality.
- 3. The fact that people keep adding the flag back means the flag is needed in the article.
- 4. IF and WHEN it is agreed that flags are not needed in infoboxes then by all means, remove. ♥♪♫♥♪♫ 19:55, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Moved here from article
[edit] Keith Moon in popular culture
As of September 29, 2005, comedian and actor Mike Myers has been signed on to play the lead role in an upcoming biopic of Moon. The film has been titled See Me Feel Me: Keith Moon Naked For Your Pleasure. Scheduled for a 2009 release, See Me Feel Me will be produced by Roger Daltrey, Nigel Sinclair, and Paul Gerber.
American rock band Red Hot Chili Peppers vocalist, Anthony Kiedis, released a memoir titled, Scar Tissue. The autobiography states that as a child, Kiedis would go to clubs with his dad, where his dad would sell drugs to Moon.
On June 8, 2006, The Onion featured a Radio News piece titled, "Researchers At Keith Moon Institute Destroy Institute".[1]
London punk band Peter and the Test Tube Babies wrote a song titled 'Spirit of Keith Moon' based on his wild personality and indulgence in destruction.
In a strip of the comic Achewood from April 2006, character Ray Smuckles finds Keith Moon's head preserved in vodka, available to buy on the fictional online-auction service, eBay Platinum Reserve.[1] The head later comes to life and flips around in the jar before being phased out of the strip, its final fate left unknown.
Internet cartoonist Jonti Picking's 2006 series of webtoon shorts (Anything Can Happen) On the Moon depicts the deceased Keith Moon (referred to as "Moon Keith Moon") living on the moon in the form of a metal urn of his ashes, labelled with the words "R.I.P. Keith".
In the 1997 PlayStation game Gex: Enter the Gecko, the lead character Gex can be heard saying "This one's for Keith Moon!"
In the 1993 film Wayne's World 2, a veteran roadie tells how he, David Crosby and Keith Moon broke into a sweet shop in Sri Lanka to steal one thousand brown M&M's to fill a brandy glass, otherwise "Ozzy wouldn't go on stage that night".
Moon is referenced as one of the supernatural acts to appear in the television version of Stephen King's Nightmares and Dreamscapes in You Know They Got a Hell of a Band. His name was also mentioned in the original short story of the same name.
Late comedian Bill Hicks, as part of his act, once sarcastically imagined what it would be like to have 'real' rockstars endorsing products in TV commercials instead of popstars. Among those he mentioned was Keith Moon advertising Snickers.
In the TV series Psych, lead character Shawn Spencer makes a reference to him as a person who trashed his hotel room.
During a montage in School of Rock, the video shows a short clip of Keith Moon's drumming.
In the 2001 TV movie "Hysteria: The Def Leppard Story" drummer Rick Allen of Def Leppard is portrayed imitating famous drummers for his band mates. He hits the cymbals and then falls backwards off his stool as the rest of his band exclaims "Keith Moon!". Also, later in the movie, Rick Allen is shown struggling to get used to his new electronic drums since his accident that cost him his left arm and seemingly falls off his stool by accident. His band mates look alarmed until he looks up at them and says reassuringly, "Keith Moon".
In the comedy series Absolutely Fabulous, Edina remarks to Saffron, "You know, Patsy used to date Keith Moon", to which Patsy responds, "Well, sort of. I woke up underneath him in a hotel room once."
On the British automotive show Top Gear, presenter Jeremy Clarkson replicated the Rolls-Royce swimming pool stunt by driving a 1976 Silver Shadow into a newly refurbished swimming pool in his hometown of Chipping Norton. Clarkson claimed that he was inspired by Keith Moon's stunt.[2] Tony Fletcher writes in his book "Moon, Life and Death of a Rock Legend" that the swimming pool incident never actually took place.[3]
On Stella when the three blokes thought they were sent to heaven, David Wain wonders what kinds of "jam sessions" they might have there. He thinks "on guitar, Jimi Hendrix; on drums, Keith Moon; and on lead vocals 'the guy from Blind Melon'", referring to the ethereal tone of Shannon Hoon.
British pop singer Robbie Williams mentions Keith Moon in his song "Good Doctor" from his 2006 album Rudebox. Good Doctor is a ballad about prescription drug abuse and the exact reference is in the first verse: "Robert Williams take one Adderall with water in the morning.. As if I’m goin’ to take one tablet, I’m Keith Moon!"
Clem Burke, original drummer for "Blondie", was a dedicated fan of Keith Moon. On the week of the Who drummer’s passing in Sept. 1978, Blondie played the huge Knebworth Festival in England. After their set, Burke kicked over his red sparkle Premier drum kit, crying out, “That’s for Keith Moon!”
Neil Peart, the drummer for the Canadian rock band, Rush, developed a drum set based off of Keith Moon's drum set for the R30 tour calling it his "dream set."
In one of his books, Rush drummer Neil Peart cites Moon as one of his primary early drumming inspirations. Peart tells the story of attending a Who concert and grabbing a piece of a cymbal that Moon had smashed, which he turned into a necklace that he wore at school.
It is speculated that the Muppet Show character 'Animal' [2] was based on Keith Moon's likeness.
