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Main: Australian cricket team in England in 1948 (32K), 1948 Ashes series (12K) Players and manager: Sid Barnes (51K), Donald Bradman (90K), Bill Brown (35K), Ron Hamence (20K), Neil Harvey (40K), Lindsay Hassett (29K), Ian Johnson (45K), Bill Johnston (26K), Ray Lindwall (82K), Sam Loxton (22K), Colin McCool (33K), Keith Miller (41K), Arthur Morris (48K), Doug Ring (3K), Ron Saggers (22K), Don Tallon (41K), Ernie Toshack (17K), manager: Keith Johnson (9K) Current collaboration: Keith Miller Photo requests: Keith Miller - bowling If you can find a properly licensed image, please add it to the above articles. Good article candidates: Ron Hamence Last update: Mattinbgn\talk 00:25, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

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When asked about pressure leading up to a cricket test match he was known to have replied

"Pressure is a Messerschmitt up your ass"

I would add it in, but i do not have a source for it. Great Quotation none the less.

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Peter Cox's book Sixty Summers, about English postwar cricket, has the Indian rioter saying to Compton, "You very good man Mr Compton but you must go," in reference to the Indian desire for the British to leave. This would make better sense as the comment that Miller repeated to Compton. - AG, Stockport.

Contents 1 WikiProject class rating 2 FA Drive to-do list 3 Lord's pavillion portraits 4 Guardian obituary... 5 War service 6 Graphs 7 Pre-war info 8 Opening sentence debate 9 Some online sources 10 Cites needed in lead 11 References

[edit] WikiProject class rating

This article was automatically assessed because at least one WikiProject had rated the article as start, and the rating on other projects was brought up to start class. BetacommandBot 04:06, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FA Drive to-do list

1. Tackle cn tags
2. More free images
3. Bowling chart to complement batting
4. Flesh out sections to complete narrative
5. MOS check
6. Complete copyedit
7. Peer Review
8. FAC

C'est tout. --Dweller (talk) 12:33, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Given that Miller was larger than life, we might need a daughter article or two. Lindwall was just a normal classical player, but Miller had all the shenanigans and did lots of unusual things. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 00:28, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Lord's pavillion portraits

How many Australians have portraits in the Lord's pavillion? The article says 4; Trumper, Bradman, Miller and Warne. This news article says 3, leaving out Trumper. Has anyone seen Trumper's portrait at Lord's? -- Mattinbgn\^talk 08:13, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

I've dealt with this as best I can, leaving out my OR speculation that the Trumper portrait has been moved (presumably to the museum) I could email Lord's to ask, but I don't believe their response would fulfil RS even if they did reply. --Dweller (talk) 10:39, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Guardian obituary...

• is here Interesting piece including his falling out with Ian Johnson. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 09:01, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
• ...and the Telegraph -- Mattinbgn\^talk 12:07, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] War service

I added a little to the early years section. There is a small problem with Miller's war service as it is currently written. According to the national archive, he joined the army (as a private) on 20/8/1940, served with the AASC (Southern Command) and was discharged (pending transfer to the RAAF) on 8/11/1941.

Phanto282 (talk) 19:35, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

If I had to guess, I would say he joined the militia in 1940 rather than the Second Australian Imperial Force. As such, he certainly was not expected to fight overseas, at least until 1942; and his service would have consisted of drilling once or twice a week around his civillian employment. I am not sure how we check this. -- Mattinbgn\^talk 21:42, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Probably. I tried researching the AASC but couldn't find its exact role, here are his enrolment papers [1]. Fined ten bob for insubordinate language to a superior...lol. He played a few games for the Saints in 1942 before his RAAF posting. A couple of points to digest: I have seen reports that he held Pratt goalless, or to one goal, hence the description in the early life section. Regardless, this prompted his signing by St Kilda, which suggests the match against Pratt was early in the 1940 season, as Pratt played with South in '39 (Lionel Frost's history of Carlton FC suggests Pratt and Brighton Diggins were discriminated against because they were protestants in a Catholic club, so sectarian bias goes both ways, I guess). I came across photos that suggest Miller represented NSW at the carnivals in 1947 and 1950 (but not usuable as refs), which means he continued playing footy for quite a while after his move to Sydney, but I have no idea which club he played for in the NSW league. Obviously, Main and Holmesby will be Victorian-centric refs on this and state that he stopped playing after 1946, which doesn't appear to be true. Coleman suggests he is the only player to represent both states at both sports. Totally useless trivia: Miller wore #27, same guernsey worn by Barry Breen when he kicked the winning point in the '66 Grand Final. Further into Miller's life, Gideon Haigh claims that he lost the captaincy to Ian Johnson as part of the fallout from the Sid Barnes 12th man incident (that old chestnut) as he was captain of NSW during the game and failed to discipline or censure Barnes. Interesting theory; my guess is Bradman liked Johnson (and was close to his father) and had various blues with Miller...will make an interesting para or two. Phew...it's hot in the kitchen Phanto282 (talk) 08:28, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Graphs

A pair of small graphs showing his rankings for batting and bowling would be nice. The ones at the LG ICC site are poor, as they show up as flatlines, because the y axes include far too many rankings. --Dweller (talk) 11:53, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pre-war info

Coming soon. Hold on there. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 06:37, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Opening sentence debate

There is a debate about the opening sentence at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Cricket#Keith_Miller. Please do contribute. --Dweller (talk) 11:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Some online sources

• Cricinfo searches for the greatest all-rounder --Dweller (talk) 14:06, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cites needed in lead

Is it necessary to reference claims in the article lead that are cited in the article body? -- Mattinbgn\^talk 07:38, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

It's debatable. I'd tend to agree with you that it's not, but The Rambling Man and I have faced opposes at FAC in the past until we cited stuff in the Lead too. On reflection, there's no harm in it and there's the possibility of good - if the material in the main section becomes damaged or removed at some point in the future. --Dweller (talk) 09:58, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] References

Somewehre along the way, the actual reference text for the reference named "testlist" has been lost, I've commented out all instances as it was showing a nasty red error message in the footnotes. I've gone some way back in the article history, but haven't managed to work out what the original ref was. There were also a couple of refs named for page numbers which had the same issue, but in this case I've assumed that they were furhter references to the perry book, frequently cited. David Underdown (talk) 12:54, 30 January 2008 (UTC)