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[edit] The Daily Courier

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Staff. "Today in History: February 6", The Daily Courier, Prescott Newspapers, Inc., February 6, 2008. Retrieved on 2008-02-06. 

Feb. 6, 2007 Prescott Police officers arrested 65-year-old California fugitive Howard Keith Henson five years after he fled to Canada to avoid serving a one-year jail sentence for making threats against the Church of Scientology. Henson's Internet threats and picketing stemmed from his belief that the church was responsible for the deaths of two women.

One of those two women must have been Lisa McPherson, who was the other one Keith Henson was picketing about? Cirt (talk) 10:44, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, neither was Lisa. The dead girls were Ashlee Shaner and Stacy Meyer, both accidental deaths. --Justallofthem (talk) 19:58, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Category:American criminals

The category says that "For inclusion in this category, a person must have been duly, lawfully, and finally convicted by one or more United States federal courts or State courts (excluding impeachments, convictions that have subsequently been fully pardoned, cases resulting in a conviction that have been sealed or expunged, or cases resulting in a conviction that have been subsequently dismissed and/or reopened with a new trial)...". From my reading of the article, it appears he fits the criteria for the category.

Instead of edit warring, can we please discuss its removal? Thanks. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 05:04, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

In my opinion, he should not be in the category, as though he may have been convicted of a crime, he's not notable for being a criminal, and this article doesn't exist because he's a criminal. Plenty of people have been convicted of crimes, but there's no reason for them to be in a category for it unless they're independently notable for committing that crime. --Rory096 05:06, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
The thing is, from my reading of the category, it doesn't matter if you're notable for the crime... anyone who's been convicted should be categorised there, it seems (correct me if I'm wrong). dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 05:10, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
The precise wording of the category is not important- we generally do not put people in categories for things that are completely irrelevant to what's written about them, even if they happen to fall into the stated definition of the category. We wouldn't put John Travolta into Category:Aviators, for example. --Rory096 05:16, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Strongly disagree with including this category, this individual is not notable for the singular misdemeanor conviction. And apparently Chetblong (talk · contribs) [1] and Jehochman (talk · contribs) [2] agree. Cirt (talk) 05:07, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
They may have been trying to enforce BLP; I commend them for that. Sometimes these things are hard to pick up when vandal fighting, and this could have been an accidental revert. Which is why we discuss. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 05:10, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
You are correct, Chetblong (talk · contribs) did indeed regard CatUrineCuredMe (talk · contribs)'s edits as vandalism. Cirt (talk) 05:13, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Yes, as I said, he may have missed the statement in the article where this guy meets the category's criteria. It's understandable. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 05:14, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Yes, sorry 'bout that. My reasoning for reverting the vandalism was 1. the category which they were adding to the article, and the way we take BLP violations 2. the username CatUrineCuredMe wasn't a name that quite helped out the situation, so I went ahead and reverted with those two things in mind. If I was wrong for reverting, and it appears I was, feel free to undo my actions per policy. Cheers, Chetblong (talk) 05:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

The criteria for the category has now been changed by Cirt (talk · contribs). dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 06:18, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Please note, I changed the criteria after noticing comments at Category talk:American criminals by Will_Beback (talk · contribs) [3], Aleta (talk · contribs) [4], and David in DC (talk · contribs) [5], that the category should be limited to felons. Cirt (talk) 06:24, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Update: CatUrineCuredMe (talk · contribs) has been blocked indef as a sock of DavidYork71 (talk · contribs). Cirt (talk) 12:31, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Which is why I rolled back their edit -- they were an obvious sock. As for he category, I also disagree with adding Keith Henson because he is not a notable criminal (contrast: Jeffrey Dahmer), and I think he was convicted of a misdemeanor, not a felony. The label appeared to be added maliciously by a sock for the purpose of damaging the person's reputation, not for improving the encyclopedia. Jehochman Talk 14:17, 25 May 2008 (UTC)