Talk:Keitai Denjū Telefang

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[edit] NPOV

Good God, this article is NPOV as hell. I'll see about fixing that, if no one else does, within the next few days.


[edit] Banned

what has been banned telefang or pokemon jade and diamond (bootleg verison)

The bootlegged, misleadingly-titled versions, of course. Although, I'll admit that I've never heard of Telefang before until I found it on Wikipedia, and I got the info about the fake Pokemon games being banned from reading about it somewhere (maybe it was already on the article before I edited it...I can't remember). However, I have personally seen the bootlegged Pokemon Diamond game. ~GMH 06:00, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, but have you played it? It's superbly crap. The instances of Engrish are nothing short of hilarious, and the game, oh ho ho what game? If you ever get the chance to pick it up I recommend it for a good laugh. I still havn't worked out what all the many references to curry in the game are about... - Ferret 00:57, 9 September 2005 (UTC)
It seems to have been translated from Japanese to another language (poorly) and then translated again to English from that (even more poorly). --4.154.37.52 23:39, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
As there is a known version of it in some Chinese language, complete with the same blue snake thing on the title screen, that is a distinct possibility. –Typhlosion 14:45, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
I'd take an informed guess that the blue snake surrounded by Chaos Emerald lookalikes is a rip of Perfect Chaos from Sonic Adventure on the Dreamcast. Antisora 16:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Well i'm glad I got mine before it got banned. --Kid Sonic 19:11, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sequel to Telefang

Months ago I looked up a webpage and came across a sequel of Telefang, called Telefang 2 for the GBA. I dunno what this'll be like but I'm guessing it'll just be as weird as the other one...

It's really true. I'll paste the link of this once I find it.

What do you guys think? --Datavi X 11:07, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

I've found some links through Gewgle that would lead me to believe that the game does indeed exist. Not to mention there's an FAQ/Walktrough on GameFAQs. I sure would looove to play it. *Goes on a ROM hunt.* - Ferret 20:45, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
I can confirm that Telefang 2 does, in fact, exist. I have witnessed emulator play of it on multiple occasions and have recently bought myself a copy of it off of eBay.
I think that if the information is available, a separate article should be made for Telefang 2, since although it is a sequel, it is still a very different game. —Typhlosion 03:50, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Full name of Telefang 1

It would be Keitai Denjuu Telefang, as refrenced by GameFAQS. 151.204.128.19 04:53, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] *Puts away mop*

Well I've gone and cleaned up the article, it's no longer the emposing wall of text it once was. I also added a couple pictures. Anyone disagree with taking away the cleanup template? - Ferret 12:59, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, on another thing - the entire article talks about Telefang in the context of Pokemon. Considering that there is no real connection between the two, that seems unreasonable. I'll clean it myself later if I get a chance. --Calamari 01:29, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
On the contrary, the idea of the game is most definately inspiried by it, and the bootleg translation took on the name. The lines drawn are resonable in this respect, and useful for comparison purposes. Many people know about Pokémon, not many are able to get hold of Telefang. - Ferret 23:43, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pokemon Jade redirect

I don't think Pokemon Jade should redirect here any more - there is currently a REAL game called Pokemon Jade, being developed for the Nintendo DS Cynical 22:20, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Do you mean Pokémon Diamond and Pearl? --Philo 10:56, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, there's no such game as Jade. :F - Ferret 23:43, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
Only diamond is real...


Your thinking of Pokemon Diamond. and it doesn't redirect here anymore.

[edit] Screenshot

It seems more than a little weird to have BOTH screenshots be from a pirated, Engrish-translated version--maybe move the "sedge" screenshot down with the rest of the material on the bootlegs, and add a screenshot from one of the original games (preferrably the GBA version, which is currently barely mentioned at all) in its place. 205.188.116.139 03:22, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

The game apparently is way more popular because of the bootleged versions than because of the game itself.--I Am Magnustalk 02:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Roms

Is it legal to get Roms of these games, cuz they were never officially released and I hear that means it's legal! Also, I have a ROM of Diamond, but only Jade in Japanese, is there even an English Jade?—Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.153.204.116 (talk • contribs)

I'm pretty sure it's still illegal even if it hasn't been released in your territory (plenty of websites will import), although, with all honesty, I doubt anyone cares at this point in time whether you download the ROM to an obscure Japanese game released on the Game Boy Color.—ウルタプ 01:25, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Yes, there is an English version of Jade (Jade is the "English" version of Speed after all) but I have never seen a ROM of it online. That's strange, since obviously a ROM was made to copy onto the bootleg carts, and the physical Jade isn't impossible to find so someone could have copied it with a flash cart device but I guess nobody ever bothered. I would guess the ROMs are still considered illegal anyway, as they were pirate games to begin with and I doubt anybody involved with the making of the actual Telefang games would appreciate any kind of distribution of the fakes. RacieB 03:49, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
With a LOT of patching, it's possible to crudely make a ROM of Jade. It involves making an .ips file from Power to Speed and applying it to Diamond (making it go from Power to Diamond and applying it to Speed won't work for some reason). It works for the most part, though the phone menu screen has garbled text and the title screen is still the ugly Diamond title screen. Other than that, it's playable... and here are a couple of screenshots I whipped up. [1] [2] TanookiMario257 16:08, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
does anyone ever care if something is illegal anymore?--Blue-EyesGold Dragon 10:40, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes. Copyright holders certainly care about copyright law. RacieB (talk) 06:34, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
It's very hard to find speed english version(jade). I am searching for 6 years...
Whoever you are, there's a way to play it with patching techniques. Read how to do it above. TanookiMario257 (talk) 20:42, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] More info on Diamond and Jade

If you would like more information on these two stupid games, you can go to Trs Rockin.com. Look under the 'Bootleg Merchandise' section once there. Spottedstripe 22:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Erm.. stupid? Also they really don't have actual information on the Diamond/Jade bootlegs besides making fun of the screenshots and complaining how long the intro is (no it's not actually ten minutes long), then a list of fanmail describing people's experiences with these "stupid" games. Honestly that page was one of the main reasons I set my site up, to provide actual information. RacieB 03:49, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Denjū vs Electric Monsters

After editing some stuff in last night, I was considering replacing all instances of creature/electric monster with Denjū, as that's what they're always referred to in the original games. It's more consistent plus just sounds better imo. None of the Pokémon articles go around calling them pocket monsters even though that's what Pokémon is meant to mean, and likewise Denjū probably shouldn't be referred to as electric monsters outside the bootleg. If nobody has an objection to this, I'll go ahead and do it, I just wanted to mention it here first because it involves changes to the entire article. RacieB 22:47, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

I second the notion, as—lacking an official translation of any sort—the only official term given for them is "Denjuu" (『電獣』?). This alone should be enough to merit the change. —Typhlosion 03:50, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ruzunga?

About a year ago, the article "Ruzunga" was created. Its original revision consisted entirely of the text "RUZUNGA is part of a video game called Pokemon:JADE it was bootlegged into America and was created buy SmileSoft." Based on this initial entry, the article was quickly changed to redirect to the Telefang article. However, in a simple Google search for "Ruzunga," almost the entirety of the results refer to a location in Burundi. (In fact, the only results that don't refer to the Burundi location are the Wikipedia article and its mirrors.) I have taken the liberty of replacing the redirect with a stub about the location in Burundi, but is there any actual location in the game called "Ruzunga?" Should a disambiguation notice be created? —Typhlosion 04:03, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

There is no such place in the games as far as I know, I completed the Diamond bootleg, plus own the player's guide which includes every location, and haven't come across anything like that in either case. RacieB 09:30, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Telefang Locations

On a similar subject to the above discussion, would it be worthwhile to make either a new article or a new section discussing the major locations in the Telefang series? —Typhlosion 04:03, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

I suppose I could make a writeup of them later, there are 16 main locations named on the worldmap. I don't know how long would be too long to add to the article but that'd probably be preferable to making a new one, maybe just a summary for each would suffice? e.g. something like "Toronko Village - This is where the game begins and the player meets Musa and obtains their first Denjū. Shigeki must travel to the Toronko Village fountain and convince the sleepy Denjū Netaro to continue carrying water for the village, despite his brother Nejiro's objections." Just a brief description of the major locations and their main plot points, I guess? RacieB 09:30, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chaos Emeralds

Do we have a source on this? -- Snip3rNife 11:21, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

It's not whether they actually are or not, it's just what they resemble…the other cover has the Shishigami from Princess Mononoke on it, which seems to suggest they were just using random Japanese things.—Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？ (talk • contribs) 18:26, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Separate article for Telefang 2?

Shouldn't the information on the second pair of Telefang games be moved to another article? They are, after all, quite different.

...Oh wait. I forgot. Wikipedia is trying reduce everything back to stubs. Not much point in making a separate Telefang 2 article, since they'll both become blurbs on a "List of Smilesoft games" article soon enough. —a sarcastic Typhlosion 17:50, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

I'd considered it, but I haven't gotten around to collecting enough information on the sequel, plus the GBC versions are more "notable" since they're mainly known outside of Japan as being "those fake Pokémon games." I was considering a Gachaste! Dino Device article too, since it's an awesome game, but who's heard of it? And the sequel Rocket Company did for that was comparatively terrible... RacieB 23:05, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
And you know Wikipedia and notability. *groan* Toastypk 00:12, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
Torchic was once a featured article. Now it's a stub-quality section of another article.
I think this latest trend is ridiculous. After all, Wikipedia is not paper. If there's enough pertinent information for a subject to get its own article, then give it one, damn it! People are going to look for "Torchic," not "List of Pokémon (241-260)#Torchic." Replacing any set of articles with "List of Blah (Part X)" is a huge mistake. There should be no (Part X) articles at all. And if that makes articles too long, then split them up into separate articles like they should be.
...On the other hand, talk pages tend to become long, rambling, and hard to follow, thereby often quashing attempts to speak up against policy changes.
If there's enough information for a Telefang 2 or Gachaste! Dino Device article, then go make it! If Wikipedia is an attempt to create a freely available and editable encyclopedia, then there is no reason to remove useful information from it.
Besides, notability is relative. I know little about the history of Vietnam and care little about it. Does that mean I should merge every article listed on Template:History of Vietnam into a single article because it isn't notable? No, that would be silly, wouldn't it? So why do it for other things?
Ah, that was good. I needed to get that off of my chest. —Typhlosion 03:43, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who hates this these stub Pokémon articles. There's almost no information on the Pokémon now it's not even funny. TanookiMario257 23:26, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
You're a saint for saying this Typhlo. But unfortunately, Wikipedia is pretty thick sometimes. Toastypk 14:51, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
But I think Wikipedia thinks that detailed articles on the topic should go in other wikis related to it, for example bulbapedia, a Pokemon wiki. Besides, when people search for something, they don't know exactly which part of the article to find the info they want, or if they are even in the article. Therefore they merge articles for the sake of easier finding of info. But yeah, I agree that the merge of Pokemon into one article like that is not good at all. ~Milnivri~ 13:07, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Manga Info

  • I have info that a manga for this game has been serialized by Kodansha Publishing, Ltd.

http://racieb.ggmedia.us/telefang/tele030.html --Kid Sonic 17:04, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

    • Yeah, it's a three-issue manga, I haven't got any more information than that though because I haven't gotten copies yet. I really need to get around to that. I also need to add information to the site on the action figures that were made. RacieB 23:00, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Japanese/Engrish intro screenshot comparsions?

A couple of days ago, I added that the bootleg version has a glitched color palette in the intro in the paragraph talking about the glitches. Today, I made an animated GIF with screenshots comparing the two versions. Here it is: [3] - So anyway, the reason why I brought this up here is because I want to ask: does this image have any place in the article? I'm just curious... TanookiMario257 02:23, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Diamond Box Art

Where did the box art for the fake Diamond go? Can someone tell me why it was gone? It's not like the people who made the box had any rights to Pokémon or Telefang. The only original thing was that stupid snake thing. TanookiMario257 (talk) 13:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

  • So what if youthink its stupid. Anyway, I don't know where it went. --Kid Sonic (talk) 16:57, 25 April 2008 (UTC)