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[edit] Merge judo, jujutsu, aikido, and karate keikogi, into this article

IMHO we do not need separate articles on how the keikogi looks and is used in aikido, judo, jujutsu and karate. In most cases the bases is the same, and the differences are better expanded on in the same article rather than having four separate. The ninjutsu issue is something different though, it has a very specific history and is probably better explained in a separate article. // Habj 12:30, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. Anybody not agree? — Estarriol talk 18:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I disagree wholeheartedly! The differences are substantial and in many cases it would take the complete novice nothing more than a glance at long distance to see differences. Only Judo, jiu jitsu, and karate look at all alike and only the 1st two are really close. Doing this makes as much sense as lumping every type of footwear from flip flops to riding boots under the heading 'shoes'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.188.14.1 (talk • contribs) 09:10, 22 June 2006

I would also have to disagree, if the topic was gi then you could merge it all, but u are describing different types so they should all be kept seperate —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.10.87.138 (talk • contribs) 19:01, 26 July 2006

I disagree also. The Judogi and the Jujutsugi (Japanese and Brazillian) are unique from the keikogi. The page on Keikogi refers to it as a generic term, which it is, but out in the real world of Martial Arts (maybe partially localized by MA communities or geographical locations) the term Keikogi is typically used for Kendo. Just Google Keikogi and check out the first few pages. They are in the context of Kendo. Although not in every case, the Keikogi is considerably longer than a Judogi and it is worn inside the Hakama and not on the outside. In addition, the Keikogi usually has 3/4 lenth sleeves, (which can be very helpful in practicing Te Waza in Ju-Jitsu) is illegal for Judo and Ju-Jitsu competition. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.251.114.149 (talk • contribs) 18:45, 31 July 2006

Of course they are different! That is not my point, but rather that the different variants are better described together than in separate articles. If each article on each type of shoe was as short as these articles I would gladly discuss them in the same article. Of course they could be de-merged later, when there is a need for it. Sine I wrote the above, the articles have grown. Probably this article should then be developed into a true comparison between the different variants of dogis. // habj 23:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

So if we don't merge. What do we do with dogis for shorinjikempo, kyudo, jukendo? I really don't know if they follow the pattern "artgi". Shorinjikempogi sounds kind of clumsy. // habj 23:10, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

If anything there should just be an article on 'gi' the general term for shirt-things.. including kendogi, kimono, and everything else with gi/ki in them... that are all shirt thingamajobs.

Please bear in mind that "keikogi" just means "gym suit". Do a google image search for "稽古着" and you will find that most of the time martial art clothing is shown, but sometimes modern sweat wear too.

What I cannot find though, is the name of the seperate jacket and pants. They should have a name too, isn't it?

-- Kennin May 22nd 2008, 18:26 (CET) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.197.26.128 (talk) 16:30, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] wearing the aikidogi

Can someone experienced in aikido explain how you tie your belt and if there is some specific way to tie the "cord" embedded in the pants? If you have a link to such a page, please provide it. Thanks, by an aikido novice

I can't really explain this in a proper way, but I just came to think that this could actually be a good contribution to the article, if anyone has a proper illustration
I asked the same question at the aikidogi discussion and someone provided this url [1] .

[edit] Is the translation really that pompous?

The word "dogi" is translated as "the uniform you wear on the path that you have been chosen". Really? If "do" means "path" and "gi" means "uniform", wouldn't that make "dogi"="the uniform for the path" or something similar? Devil Master 19:37, 07 January 2007 (MET)

[edit] Kendogi

IIRC the kendogi is just the jacket, referred to as "uwagi" not kimono - the hakama is not then considered a part of the keikogi. It is simply a hakama. Compare aikido, the hak is not a part of the dogi there either. // habj 23:08, 28 February 2007 (UTC)