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Contents 1 The Religious Left, on the 'pedia 2 Voting thing 3 Judeophobia 4 Religious categorization 5 Martin Luther 6 Book of Concord 7 Lutheranism work group 8 {{PD-self}} 9 An old, ahem, friend, might be back. 10 Saint Martin Luther 11 Lutheranism Project 11.1 further

The Religious Left, on the 'pedia

Hey there, Keesiewonder. I just happened to end up at your user page, and noticed some of your userboxes. We share several common beliefs, and that's why I wanted to inform you of another userbox/category that you may find interest in. Category:Religious Left Wikipedians is an organized category of progressive Christian Wikipedians - those who hold progressive, left-wing, liberal or Democratic ideals as well as a strong faith-ethic. I started the category in response to a lack of unification of people of our beliefs, as opposed to our counterpart, the "religious right" or "conservative right". If you'd like to learn more, drop by the link I left you at the headline of this comment, which gives a decent description as to what a "religious lefty" is about. If you find yourself as intrigued as I anticipate, join up! {{User:UBX/rl}} is our userbox, or you can just add [[Category:Religious Left Wikipedians|{{PAGENAME}}]] to your userpage(s). Anyhow, if you've got any questions, comments or just thoughts you'd like to share, drop by my talk page. I'm Editor19841, by the way, from Denver. Thanks for your consideration! Editor19841 (talk) 23:46, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Voting thing

Ok, thanks for the note and correction. I appreciate your effort at the Martin Luther page. --MPerel ^{( talk | contrib)} 19:12, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Judeophobia

• Very few academic sources will refer to persecution of Jews until the 1800's as anti-Semitism, though once you get into Christian Europe you will find more examples. In ancient history however, and Jews in Muslim lands, much more often it will simply be referred to as "persecution" as the Jews weren't being targeted any more than any other group (again until the rise of Christianity). -- Chabuk ^{[ T • C ]} 22:10, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok, yes, that makes a lot of sense. Thank you! Might there be good reasons, then, to have an article on Judeophobia. It seems like you have articulated a clear distinction between Judeophobia and anti-Semitism; yet the former redirects to the latter in WP.

Another thing I've been trying to form an opinion on is why only one person is mentioned in WP' anti-Judaism category [1] - i.e. a category for one person, one sub-category, and one article. Of course and unfortunately anti-Judaism exists. But is there only one person for all of time who can be assigned to that category? I've struggled with this some on the talk page at the Martin Luther article; you may have already noticed it. If you can help me think through this one ... I'd greatly appreciate it. Kind Regards, Keesiewonder 22:22, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Religious categorization

The link you gave me was to the Category:Messianic Judaism. That category itself is more than a bit problematic, as it's hard to tell if the movement it refers to should be counted as Christian or Judaic. The specific link was a capitalization error to Category:Ancient Christian denominations, which I corrected. I'm actually trying to go through all the religion projects now and work on the tagging and categorization of the articles. Unfortunately, I've only gotten through Shinto and Japanese mythology so far (starting from the bottom of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory/Culture/Philosophy and religion page, and know that the bulk of the work still lies ahead of me. That's one of the reasons I started like a coward from the "easier" end, actually. But, maybe by the end of this month or next, most of the categorization in the religion sector will make a bit more sense. And, actually, my old cold has now disappeared. YAY! The weather kind of screwed things up, including electricity, over the weekend, but that seems to be fixed now too, thankfully. Anyway, I've no started on the Paranormal articles, and think that the tagging and categorization should be cleaned up relatively shortly. Badbilltucker 14:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Martin Luther

I've reverted myself (I think) and left a note on the talk page apologizing and explaining what I was trying to do. Sorry. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 04:02, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Book of Concord

It should not have been moved. I reverted it. --CTSWyneken^(talk) 11:19, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I'll be rereverting it. --CTSWyneken^(talk) 00:11, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Lutheranism work group

I wonder if you would be interested in helping to form a work group of the WikiProject Christianity to work explicitly and almost exclusively with articles relating to Lutheranism. I think that the project has itself become somewhat inactive given its staggering scope, and think that it might be helped by the establishment of such a work group. I have created a proposal to this effect at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals#Lutheranism. If you would be interested, please indicate your support there. Badbilltucker 00:16, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer; I need to let some dust, or worse, settle. And, by no means am I in charge of anything Lutheran on WP. (i.e. There are significant others (whose user name is not, surprisingly, JJ) who should rightfully weigh in and discuss your idea.) I sense a fair amount of understandable WP:OWN amongst the existing Lutheran-topic editors who genuinely are more senior to me on WP. So far, though I've noticed it, since they're gentlemen and/or tactfully articulate, it has not been a problem for me to work with the non-JJ folk.

One thing I am interested in is taking a look at the representation on WP among the 3 major Lutheran denominations in the USA (for starters) and evaluating whether they are receiving fair, accurate representation. If my primary source for information was WP, I might easily be misled in to thinking, for example, that the only "real" Lutherans are part of the LCMS. This perspective would be a subtle POV for most WP readers, I expect, but, I'm astute enough to sense it.

So, while things settle, I will continue to make contributions as I see fit ... Hey, do you know whether there are any WP administrators who are Lutheran? Maybe I'll be the first ELCA related one ... if I don't convert first ;-) ...

Another region of interest of mine is interfaith ... so maybe I'd receive less harassment amongst Jews, Muslims, Hindis and Athiests ... To be continued, I'm sure. Thanks again for vouching for me today, and for the most appropriate barnstar! Woo! I'm a survivor, so it fits well! Keesiewonder ^talk 00:46, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Wasn't implying otherwise, actually. I already made a proposal on the talk page of WikiProject Christianity to the effect that the staggering size of the project could be one of the reasons it hasn't been as active lately. Breaking away one of the largest groups of denominations into a separate subproject might help the existing articles dealing with that denomination, and maybe help revitalize the parent project as well, by effectively reducing its scope. Anyway, I just noticed that you were interested in Lutheranism, and one of the few I know who I know is, and thought I'd throw the idea out there. By the way, I wasn't for a second thinking you would "lead" the project. With the exception of Military history and a few others, very few projects have formal leaders. Badbilltucker 00:52, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Excellent; as I expected we're basically on the same page it feels ... words just get in the way some times. I'll check out the formal thread in due time. Thanks for letting me know here! Keesiewonder ^talk 00:59, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

{{PD-self}}

Afraid this is almost completely outside of my area. Generally, however, if the image is one on or in a book, the only one who can release the image is the copyright holder. That means #1=#2, or someone is possibly lying. The people who would probably know best how to handle a situation like this are probably here. Hope that's some help. Badbilltucker 01:50, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

An old, ahem, friend, might be back.

User:Ormi shows some of the same characteristics of someone we both know and dearly love, at least in his edit summaries to Martin Luther. Thought you might like to know. S/he's been around for almost a year, but has only recently come back and started paying an unusual and never before seen attention to the Martin Luther article. Badbilltucker 22:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Saint Martin Luther

I hope you enjoyed your vacation. I thought you might be interested in the fact that the following site [2] explicitly describes Martin Luther as a saint and that at least one Lutheran denomination offically describes him in their calendar as a "Saint". (Can't find the exact site again right now, though). Actually, I was trying to add all of those who are commemorated in any Calendar of Saints to the Saints project, in an effort to try to present a less inherently Catholic POV in the project. However, if you choose to remove the text and category from the article, I clearly cannot prevent you from doing so. Again, I hope you enjoyed your vacation. John Carter 16:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Lutheranism Project

further

The Project page is up and running (bare bones at least). Come on by and sign up if you are still interested. -- Pastordavid 19:58, 21 March 2007 (UTC)