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Contents 1 Subject matter 2 Inadvertant move 3 Not all over? 4 inclusion 5 WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008

[edit] Subject matter

This article covers the KC-X competition/program. The selected the winner is supposed to be designated KC-45. That aircraft will be covered in a separate article from this one. Thanks. -Fnlayson (talk) 21:20, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

• Some other program articles along the lines as this one include Advanced Tactical Fighter & Joint Strike Fighter Program. Other programs like F-X and A-X are covered in the selected aircraft article. That may happen here later on (with a merge). -Fnlayson (talk) 21:33, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

(Edit conflict - some overlap with Jeff's content.) Concur. The program is important enough to warrant a separate page, a la ATF and JSF, and has complicated history that would make it difficult to integrate into an aircraft airticle, as of right now anyway. On a tangental point, I'm pretty sure we'd cover an Airbus KC-45 winner separately from the A330 MRTT page, which already covers a variety of users and models. As to the KC-767 page, as long as Boeing keeps calling the Japanese and Italian variants the KC-767, then I'd support keeping that page separate from a Boeing KC-45 page, even though there will be some overlap in coverage. Also, since the KC-767 Advanced Tanker is based on a different 767 model than the KC-767J and Italian version, and the original USAF KC-767 model, it seems sensible to cover them separately. (Btw, just getting some thoughts out here.) - BillCJ (talk) 21:39, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

• That's how I see a KC-45 article. It'll be somewhat different from the either of A330 MRTT or KC-767AT current versions. - Fnlayson (talk) 21:45, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Inadvertant move

Sorry, I messed up a move. Can an admin fix it? It should be renamed to KC-45. —Joseph/N328KF (Talk) 22:22, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

• No it shouldn't. Read above. -Fnlayson (talk) 22:25, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
• The aircraft article is at Northrop Grumman KC-45. So, I'm moving this one back to KC-X to cover the competition. -Fnlayson (talk) 23:41, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

OK, the Northrop Grumman KC-45 page is live and kicking. I haven't added any new text, just used what was on the A330 MRTT page. Feel free to have at it! Also, I've asked an admin RLandmann, to move this page back to KC-X and protect it to prevent further moves. - BillCJ (talk) 23:52, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks! I was going to request the move back to KC-X. -Fnlayson (talk) 23:53, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

We have two KC-45 pages if anyone hasn't noticed. Kevin Rutherford 23:56, 29 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ktr101 (talk • contribs)

• Yea, it's messed up at the moment. Give them a little time to fix and it should be fine. -Fnlayson (talk) 00:00, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Now a user with no idea of what has been discussed here has posted a "Hold-on" tag. I've asked him to remove the tag to allow us to have this page at the correct title, and propose a merge if he feels there should only be one article. FWIW, I doubt we'll get this straightend out tonight! - BillCJ (talk) 00:43, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

On second look, Jeff, I think we can merge everything here into the Northrop Grumman KC-45 page without much difficulty, as there really isn't that much here to begin with. - BillCJ (talk) 00:49, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

• That'll be alright. And make KC-X redirect to the NG KC-45 article. -Fnlayson (talk) 00:53, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Not all over?

My understanding is that the 29 Feb. 2008 order is only for the "first tranche" (whatever that means), and that there will be additional later orders as part of the KC-X program to replace the entire USAF tanker fleet. This article currently implies (twice) that the order has been placed and KC-X is all done. --RenniePet (talk) 06:45, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

• KC-X covers up to 179 tankers. There'll be an initial contract for the early ones and then probably a follow on contract for the rest. See "Tanker contract award announced" for more info on KC-X contract. KC-X is essentially done as far as picking the winner. Down the road, there will be 2 more phases to the KC-135 replacement (KX-Y and KX-Z). There are some 400+ KC-135s to replace long term. -Fnlayson (talk) 06:57, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Thanks. --RenniePet (talk) 06:59, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Btw, "tranche" means something like batch, round, or level. The Eurofighter Typhoon manufacturers use the same term for each batch of improvements introduced. - BillCJ (talk) 07:01, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

• Seems somewhat comparable to Block in the US, like F-16C Block 50. -Fnlayson (talk) 07:14, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Ah, bon, c'est Francais, ça! (Une tranche de jambon = a slice of ham.) --RenniePet (talk) 07:24, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

• so is it possible that phases 2 & 3 might be different than the KC-45? Will it be an open bid to primes? I vote for keeping this article seperate as it involves a complex process of multiple years that would complicate eht KC-45 article if all was included. Saltysailor (talk) 11:44, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Most likely. The other phases (KC-Y & KC-Z) are named different. KC-Z looks to be a replacement for the KC-10s. So that'll definitely be a new competition. -Fnlayson (talk) 13:39, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] inclusion

I can't see KC-X as being anything other than section in the Northrop Grumman KC-45 article now that the decision has now been made. Caerwine Caer’s whines 00:34, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

1. REDIRECT Talk:KC-45

This has been discussed at Talk:KC-45, along with reasonings for two articles. Please participate there, and propose a merger of the tow pages if you msut. But for now, having the "KC-X" program page at KC- 45, an inadvertant move, is ridiculous. Please consider removing the hold-on tag, and allow us to at least make the title situation less confusing for the time being. Thanks. - BillCJ (talk) 00:40, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008

Article reassessed and graded as start class. --dashiellx (talk) 13:59, 14 May 2008 (UTC)