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Burgundavia (✈ take a flight?) 00:59, May 13, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Greetings

Hi Kasak, I just placed a "Welcome" template on your user page to avoid red link. Feel free to replace it with anything you want to have there. If you would like to contibute to Ukraine-related articles, feel free to ask for help at my talk page. Regards, -Irpen 05:40, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

Got your note. You are most welcome! To sign your entries to talk pages use three tilda's like this ~~~, to have your name stamp like this "Irpen", or put four tildes ~~~~ (preferred), that would result with the name and timestampt like this. -Irpen 07:41, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC).

P.S. Currently, there are several Ukrainian projects going on, though mostly not very active. Another contributing editor would be good to have.

[edit] Один род

Здаравствуй, мало нас осталось на земле Русской, только сегодня тебя заметел, но пока есть Казаки будет и Россия и ее славный Русский народ, из какого края ты родом, может в лицо встречались?

Kuban kazak 14:27, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Alex Bakharev

Take a look. It seems there that the raging russophobia of some is the only reason of the attempts to derail the candidacy of one of the most worthy people for the job. His unquestionably high ethics and decensy are so clear even from how he handles the criticism and shameless attacks at his own RfAdm even for those who don't know him from his contributions to Wikipedia! --Irpen 19:23, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

And now again, Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Alex Bakharev 2 and trolled again. Please take a look and decide for yourself whether you would like to cast a vote. Also, please do not forget to check the Russia and Ukraine portals and WP. --Irpen 04:41, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oleg Sviatoslavich move

I just saw you move the article Oleg of Chernigov to Oleg Sviatoslavich. I think you should have waited a little more for feedback. For example I think the proper spelling is actually Oleg Svyatoslavich, but I see it has history(thanks to a bot actually, if it was an AndriyK-style move done with the impediment to futher move can be reveresed by an admin per AndriyK arbitration ruling). But it is no reason to modify the spelling because the software would allow only this move. I would like to ask you to move it back to "of Chernihiv" yourself and from there we'll see what to do next(I find it a good idea ), Brittanica styles him Oleg Svyatoslavich in Vladimir Monomakh article–Gnomz⁰⁰⁷(?) 06:23, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Guys, please do not move anything else without discussion. Leave it as is and propose the moves first. Moves are much more difficult to undo. --Irpen 06:27, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

This is what I am proposing to do, but I think Oleg Sviatoslavich is a case for a unilateral reverse –Gnomz⁰⁰⁷(?)

In my opinion Svyatoslavich would imply Свъятославич. Of course, only GOST would be ideal, but that would be far to confusing for most English speakers. Also keep in mind that in Polish and Lacinka (respectively) it's Swiatosław and Sviatasłaŭ. Kazak 07:16, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't care about the y/i issue but promise to stick not to undo when others correct me on this. So, I am not qualified to participate in ya/ia dispute. In any case, I strongly object to udiscussed article moves, except for the obvious ones. Thanks, --Irpen 07:31, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

The discussion has been continued here. Kazak 18:35, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portal:Russia and Portal:Ukraine

Hi there. Come check Portal:Russia/New article announcements and Portal:Russia/Russia-related Wikipedia notice board. Or Portal:Ukraine/New article announcements and Portal:Ukraine/Ukraine-related Wikipedia notice board if you are more interested in Ukraine. You may want to add these boards to your watchlist. Happy edits, Ghirla | talk 18:29, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I'd be glad to participate. Kazak 18:36, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Karelia

Are you sure that Finnish is not official in Karelia? The republic's site is in Finnish and the very status of "republic" indicates that the титульная нация has special privileges. Kazak 20:56, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[after edit conflict] Quite sure. Karelian/Finnish are in common use in the republic, but they do not have official status. Karelian is being promoted on the official level, and there is a strong push towards making it co-official with Russian, but so far that has not yet been accomplished. I commented to that effect on the article's talk, citing article 11.1 of the republic's Constitution, which should answer most of your other questions if you have any. Thanks for keeping eye on this.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) 21:02, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Never mind, I just found this link on the subject. Perhaps we should work it into the Karelia article? Kazak 21:00, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Yup, that's a good one. Anons keep adding Finnish/Karelian as official to the article on the Republic of Karelia; this information should stop that.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) 21:04, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Great. I cleaned up the article (removing all the references to Finnish as official) and added a footnote to the "official language" box with a link to the Karelian government site. It's really helpful that they translate their articles into English. Kazak 21:51, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that, it's much appreciated. Hopefully this will solve the problem of anon edits once and for all.—Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) 21:53, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] E-mail

Привет, слушай у тебя есть e-mail, хочу тебе кое-что послать. --Kuban Cossack 10:09, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

На кстати поддержи своего в админы Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Alex_Bakharev_2 --Kuban Cossack 10:09, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

FYI. --Irpen 03:12, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your voting!

Hi, thanks for your voting on my RFA. It has finished with the result 88/14/9, and I am promoted. I am really overwhelmed with the amount of support I have got. With some of you we have edited many articles as a team, with some I had bitter arguments in the past, some of you I consider to be living legends of Wikipedia and some nicks I in my ignorance never heard before. I love you all and I am really grateful to you.

If you feel I can help you or Wikipedia as a human, as an editor or with my newly acquired cleaning tools, then just ask and I will be happy to assist. If you will feel that I do not live up to your expectation and renegade on my promises, please contact me. Maybe it was not a malice but just ignorance or a short temper. Thank you very much, once more! abakharev 07:34, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] World War II Casualties

Discussion here.

[edit] False Friends of the Slavist

Please have a look at wikibooks:False Friends of the Slavist. With your language skills, you can help us very much there, though there is not too much to be done. See also wikibooks:Talk:False Friends of the Slavist for details on what is still needed. Thanks in advance! --Daniel Bunčić 18:55, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Oleg of Chernihiv

Hi I'm douglasfrankfort. I thought the name of this article has some problems. See here(Talk:Oleg of Chernihiv). I don't know if we should move the article to other names.--Douglasfrankfort 07:35, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Hello check this out

Hello I have made a request for comment on Kurt Leyman and I need people to sign the request and also to sign on the specific page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/User_conduct

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Kurt_Leyman

(Deng 03:11, 27 April 2006 (UTC))

[edit] С Праздником!

НАШЕ ДЕЛО ПРАВОЕ!
МЫ ПОБЕДИЛИ!

--Kuban Cossack 00:52, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] spelling of usual names

You probably wish to visit the discussion at Talk:Michael of Chernigov Marrtel 10:03, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Massive renaming

Please refrain from massive renaming of historical names without discussing first. `'mikka (t) 07:31, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Seconded. I know you meant well but it is always a good idea to propose the move first and see what others say. But glad to see you back. --Irpen 07:41, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Thirded. Additionaly, please refrain from changing spellings of Russian geo-locations—this is extremely disruptive. But hey, welcome back!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 12:10, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Fourthed. I question the wisdom of moving Ksnyatin to Ksniatin and Sknyatino to Skniatino. We have a system of redirects to fix possible ambiguities. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 13:15, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Fifthed, this is not meant to be a gang up, but remember there is WP:CYR and although your renames were harmless there are a group of degenerates that would always put a stick in any wheel. Take a look at what happened to Maladzyechna, the talk page, and how long the dispute was kept going. Believe me there are people here that make this a priority of their wikitime. It is just unfortunate that we have to deal with them. In any case feel free to chase up all lacinka names and turn them into their translit versions. --Kuban Cossack 17:06, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

And to this I just want to add that all the users above (I take a liberty to speak for all) welcome your return. The tradition to propose the moves first has become more or less established recently and we all benefit from it. Please stay around. --Irpen 17:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Is there any place where this discussion could occur? It seems grossly inefficient to discuss each Feodor and Vasili separately. Regardless, if that's our rule then Peter the Great should be Pyotr, Michael should be Mikhail, etc. Monarchs' names are always translated. If the Russian Basil I is called Vasili I, then the Byzantine one should be Basileios I. Cossack 04:19, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

There are two ways to proceed. One is to make a global proposal about renaming them all according to the rule you propose. Start from the Portal:Russia/Russia-related Wikipedia notice board if you want to pursue this. Another, and perhaps better way, is to float a couple of trial balls. Propose 1 or two at their own talk pages and wait for some feedback. --Irpen 04:24, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Done. Please take a look. Cossack 04:38, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Now wait for the experts in the field. --Irpen 04:54, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Як на мене ви такий ж "експерт" у цій області як і будь-хто інший на Вікіпедії, Ірпеню. Cossack 00:53, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Козаче, та який же я експерт? Я тому й запропонував почекати. Гірла, наприклад, то вже експерт. --Irpen 01:33, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Ніяк не погоджуся. Експерти мають певні дипломи, пишуть книги та заробляють гроші, а Вікіпедію редагують любителі. А я пропоную лише загальновідоме, бо навіть українською ми говоримо "Георг англійський" та "Карл французький", а не "Джордж" та "Шарль". Це ж правило таке: якою мовою людина розмовляє, тою мовою вона й називає певного монарха. Інакше неможливо. Cossack 02:45, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Слухай, давай краще англійською поки ми на Вікіпросторі. Українською чи російською скільки завгодно у приватних листах. As for "commonly known", I presented the usage by Britannica. I assume EB bases its choice on the historic literature. --Irpen 03:18, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Українською я казав лише тому що тема була особиста. Like I've said, the 1911 Britannica used the anglicized versions. I don't have access to the current one, but in either case Wikipedia shouldn't aspire to be a mirror of Britannica. Cossack 03:23, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

WP is not and should not be a mirror of EB. I totally agree with you on that. WP illuminates topics in much greater detail because it has a huge resource of editors. EB has its own strength. This is not directly relevant to the issue at hand. The issue is what names should the articles use. As per WP:NC(UE):

If you are talking about a person, country, town, movie or book, use the most commonly used English version of the name for the article, as you would find it in other encyclopedias and reference works.

I checked one such other encyclopedia. You can check Columbia to complement my results (Columbia is available without subsrciption). We can also check the Google Books. My personal experience with EB is that it bases its usage on analysis of other sources. Whenevr we had disputes about the article names for the cities, I both analyzed the media usage and the EB's name. They alsways matched for all UA Oblast centers (see Kharkiv, Lviv, Luhansk but Kiev and Odessa). We should not just duplicate EB but we should take into account what name it chooses in deciding what name we choose. --Irpen 03:39, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Siberian wikipedia

By the way, people don't like spam. You'd better read peoples' opinions and communicate with them according to it --Ilya K 08:04, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sib-wiki Vote

I herebe authorise that this vote to support closure of sib-wiki was cast by me. Cossack 02:53, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cut-and-paste moves

Please avoid cut-and-past moves, such as Leonid Chernovetskyi to Leonid_Chernovetsky. Please take into account that the currect mayor of the city is more widely known as "Chernovetskyi", and, in particular, he is mentioned under this name at the website of City Administration. But if regardless of this, you still think that the article needs to be moved, please submit your request accordingly. --KPbIC 02:30, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Reverted edits

As per this edit... The edit you made looked like vandalism to me, I mean, two parts were removed from the infobox and something else was written. I didn't know that a plural_slavic thing existed in the infobox and I just noticed what it does... I'll go and revert my edit. Sorry for my misunderstanding and С Новым годом! —dima/s-ko/ 03:22, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Happy New Year!

Happy New Year! (Ukrainian: З Новим Роком!, Russian: С Новым Годом!). I wish you in 2007 to be spared of the real life troubles so that you will continue to care about Wikipedia. We will all make it a better encyclopedia! I also wish things here run smoothly enough to have our involvement in Wikipedia space at minimum, so that we can spend more time at Main. --Irpen

[edit] Edits without edit summaries tend to look like vandalism or spam!

I have noticed you commonly don't enter an edit summary. This causes me problems. When I patrol for vandalism, I use the summary to make a preliminary decision on whether or not the post is a vandal edit or not. If the summary is present (or at least a section header, the part inside the /* */), I commonly decide the edit is legit and move on.

However, if no edit summary is available, I typically resort to loading the diff for the edit. This takes time. For that reason, if your edits are all valid, I ask that you provide edit summaries. For more on how to enter an edit summary, please read Help:Edit summary.

Incidentally, it is not just me that appreciate having edit summaries. When you omit your summary, you may be telling various bots that you are vandalizing pages. For this reason, please consider providing that summary. It is very important.

Will (Talk - contribs) 06:20, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] /* Re: Edit summaries */ replied

The article in question (Yevhen Kushnaryov) was written by me, and if you check you'll see that I provided the requested references. Thank you. Cossack 06:21, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

When I added the references request, all you had was an external link with no mention of which text that link applied to. You appear to have fixed that problem. Will (Talk - contribs) 06:25, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] {{lang-uk}} and {{lang-ru}}

Hi Kazak! In responce to your edit summary: rv, within lang-uk and lang-ru scholarly transliteration is used. Actually, for Ukrainian articles (especially subdivision), we use the simplified Ukrainian National Translation system for transliterating Ukrainian languate names, as demonstrated in Wikipedia:Romanization of Ukrainian. —dima/talk/ 18:49, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I understand that, but I was under the impression that we use the national system almost always for article titles and within the articles themselves. Within {{lang-uk}} and {{lang-ru}}, however, we use the scholarly system to most nearly approximate the original Cyrillic spelling. For example, in the article about Pyotr (Peter) Ilyich Tchaikovsky it refers to the composer by that spelling throughout the entire article and in the title, as that is the spelling by which he is known in English-speaking countries (and is the most understandable pronounciation-wise). Within {{lang-ru}}, however, his name is given as Pëtr Il'ič Čajkovskij because that is the scholarly transliteration- and closest Latin-alphabet approximation - of the Russian Пётр Ильич Чайковский. (I suggest we refrain from further reverts to the Shcholkine article until this dispute is resolved.) Cossack 19:08, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kazak, I need help

Hello, my name is Max. Half-Russian Half-Jewish from Israel You dont know me, but i have done the current 8-people Russian people photo and the article Russians in Ukraine. I have also made a photo for Ashkenazi Jews: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ashfamo2.JPG

But two people there claimed "its sexist" because it has no wimen, but i judged by contribution not by sex. So they tried to get my picture of by saying there's no licence (But there is) and other lies, and had an edit war against me. Those two now bring many friends there to support there. The root of this war has nothing to do with sexism actually, i just once said to Homo Sapiens he's not the boss so he started this war with many people he has driven their against me. I'm new and have no friends here yet, so i cant bring more people to the Edit-War (I tried to stop it), so i started looking for people who i think will be objective there. I found only three people: Kazak, Murenin C, Lucius 1976, Kuban Kazak, and you four i ask for help (Youre the only intelegent wikipedians i found). There bringing people against me and i'm alone. Now the page is prptected but not for long. The argument is down on the page i will give you, in the "Which Collage?". Please help. heres the link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ashkenazi_Jews#Which_collage.3F

M.V.E.i. 16:11, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Romanization of Ukrainian

Kazak, before changing the transliteration system, could you please propose it at the page's talk page first..? Quite a lot of articles already use the я → ia instead of ya transliteration and others which were mentioned on that page, and changing it is a rather major change.. So can I ask you to propose it at talk first, so that others can voice their opinions on the matter. Thanks, —dima/talk/ 03:00, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I have reverted. Changes to standing policies and guidelines can only be made unilaterally when they are either very minor or uncontroversial. To introduce changes that would affect hundreds of existing articles one should propose them first (as Dima above said, the talk page is the perfect place to start). Thanks for understanding.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 13:32, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kuban Cossacks

There's an argument in the Kuban Cossacks article talk page. Feel free to state your opinion here. M.V.E.i. 19:13, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Ukrainian hip-hop

Thanks for information. I guess that being a host of a TV show does make you a popular person, it however does not make you a popular rapper.

As for WolFF, does "club rapper" mean he uses crank style or does it mean he only raps at parties? If he's a party MC without any published albums (mixtapes don't count), I don't think he's notable enough, as there are dozens of such MC who are only known to a very small selection of clubgoers.

I have never seen any of albums by these artists posted to rapsubs.com.ua, so how come they are popular and they had never been pirated by this wonderful web site? ;-)

As for YouTube, there are professional videos by a lot of people, Ugo for example, but you are not including them into the article, so I'm not sure this is a proper argument.

There is a list of criteria for musicians: Wikipedia:Music#Criteria_for_musicians_and_ensembles? Do these artists qualify?

My point is there are be a lot of older bands that are still not covered in the article, so including much younder bands looks like an advertisment. Netrat_msk (talk) 09:04, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

"In Eastern Europe it's hard to find that kind of technical expertise without decent money" - having spent my whole life in Russia, I sure know this :-) But having a pofessional video does not make an artist an established one. For example, there are miriads of wanna be pop starlets in ex-USSR, who have no recognizion but have professional videos paid off by their wealthy husbands or parents. Did you ever heard of Valov's 13-y.o. protege Zhorik? Althoug, I agree that this hardly applies to these rappers. If you are sure they are good examples of what's going on the scene and you are not assotiated with them, I guess it's safe to have them in the article. But anyway, mentioning younger bands and no mentioning older, more established bands is not OK, do you agree?

TNMK may sound like clowns sometimes, but songs like Voda prove that they are not ones. After all, when hip-hop originated in 70's, it was fun party music with a twist of humour, only embracing more serious themes of Public Ennemy and GangStarr much later. I believe Kharkov should be proud to have TNMK, and mindless club rap such as crunk is much more shamefull than light pop-rap tunes of TNMK and Boombox. Netrat_msk (talk) 10:08, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Тартак слушаю с огромным удовольствием, особенно "Систему Нервов". Но не сказал бы, что они "живее" ТНМК. Как по составу (в ТНМК даже больше инструменталистов, чем в Тартаке, есть даже духовики), так и по настроению. Вот альбом Jazz Live у ТНМК слышали? Это же что-то невероятное. Куда уж живее? За линки на Вову со Львова и ВУЗВ буду благодарен (ВУЗВ у меня был, но всего один сборник и в плохом качестве). Насчёт клипов - не знаю-не знаю, у российских 2H Company и Gunmakaz до сих пор клипов нет. Попсовые варианты вроде KREC считать не будем? Вообще мне казалось, что на Украине ситуация с музыкой получше, чем в России, заваленной попсовым продуктом. А Сприпка, видимо, намекал на московское "Наше Радио", дающее площадку молодой поросли поп-рока. Netrat_msk (talk) 09:55, 2 April 2008 (UTC)