Talk:Kazimierz Pułaski

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[edit] Name

Why is this page under the name Casimir Pulaski while his name was Kazimierz Pułaski? His name was simplified by the Americans (like many names are), but he himself never used it AFAIK. For me it's like moving the Margaret Thatcher to Iron Lady... I'm moving this page to where it belongs. Halibutt 06:44, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Why? Because this is the English Wikipedia, and you'll find that his name has been written in English as Casimir Pulaski since the Revolutionary War. Perhaps you'll really move it back to where it belongs. Btw, the letter Ł does not exist in the English language either. Dr. Dan 14:39, 11 September 2007 (UTC) p.s. Margaret Thatcher to "Iron Lady" is not much of an analogy.

[edit] Fort Pulaski

I'm under the belief that Fort Pulaski was named after Kazimierz but I'm yet to find some information on that... I'm looking but if someone can find some solid info, please add it to this article (I've heard this while in Savannah - which is cited in the article). Also, we need a Fort Pulaski page. I've got royalty free images of the Fort so I can help there. JoeHenzi 03:45, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Some infos: http://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/nge/Article.jsp?path=/HistoryArchaeology/AntebellumEra/Places-7&id=h-610
--Emax 00:33, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)

[edit] A movie reference

As I recollect, there was a ship with his name in a movie "A year of the dragon", but I can't confirm it just now. I'm still putting the info on the page, since the movie is a cult and the name of the ship was crucial to the plot. Unregistered user (2005)

[edit] Birth and death dates

I reverted the changes to Pulaski's birth and death dates made by user User:64.107.1.95 even though they are sourced (in the edit summary), because:

  1. This user is a notorious vandal and puppeeter with a modus operandi of making subtle (and, so far, always incorrect) date changes to articles (among many other things -- see User:Dijxtra/Sock for details). It appears that he surfs the web for any source that contradicts commonly-accepted data -- dates in particular -- and adopts a mindless holy crusade to force Wikipedia to accept this data. Not conducive to my being comfortable about this, to being with.
  2. I have some questions about the source. Some of the language seems slightly less than scholarly ("Never before were so many errors made against one man as in the case of Pulaski," Pinkowski said. "He was a victim of corruption, lies, forgeries, trumped up charges, revisions of history and defamation of character."). And the Polish-American Journal is of a reputation unknown to me. Pinkowski may be correct, but for now I don't think we have enough verification to change the commonly-accepted dates. Herostratus 19:07, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Users like Herostratus keep on changing everything that's correct, vandals like that should not be allowed. This historian spent his lifetime on Pulaski and I would rather listen to him than to some wiki criminal like Herostratus.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.99.1.116 (talk • contribs)
So what is his birth date? OK, I understand that the day of the month is questionable, but two different years (1745 and 1746) are given in the article. The Cath. Encyc. and one of the other refs here say 1748. I have 2 dead-tree dictionaries here, one says 1748 with a "?", the other 1747. Oj kochany!--BillFlis 17:39, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the debate was no consensus, leaning on oppose. —Nightstallion (?) 10:26, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

Kazimierz Pułaski → Casimir Pulaski – Wikipedia policy is to prefer English or most common version of a name — Dhartung | Talk 20:56, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with ~~~~
No harm done. All may be repaired in due time. --Dhartung | Talk 07:28, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Ah, but Britannica actually says "English Casimir Pulaski"! Both sources agree what his name was in both languages, the only question is what goes in the title. --Dhartung | Talk 07:28, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose, all is ok as long as his "English" name is also mentioned in the header - and definitely no need to move. Halibutt 11:12, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose He was a Pole. Should we rename Karol Wojtyła to Charles Wojtyła ?.--Molobo 13:19, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Of course not; that would violate Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names). You will notice that his article is under the common English version of his name, Pope John Paul II. --Dhartung | Talk 14:15, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

Add any additional comments
This is the English-language Wikipedia, the most common English transliteration is appropriate. "Casimir Pulaski" is the form used by almost all authoritative US sources: White House, Pulaski Co, GA, Library of Congress. Americans understand that it's originally a name in another language; most of the people celebrating "Casimir Pulaski Day" are Polish-Americans. --Dhartung | Talk 21:06, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Here are some Google Books ([1], [2], [3]) and Google Scholar ([4], [5], [6]) results. Olessi 22:31, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

[edit] Monument in Baltimore

I just visited Baltimore and noticed a small park in passing where the Pulaski Highway intersects E. Fayette Street. There is a statue and a cannon there - and I think it is probably a monument to General Pulaski. Can someone in Baltimore check? Then we could add it to the list of Pulaski monuments/memorials. [You can readily see the statue and cannon on Google Earth at 39°17'40.61"N 76°34'45.87"W.] Dmbstudio 19:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Oh how underrated!

I've been meaning to revise the introduction but have not figured out a way to make it concise. For one it needs to be mentioned that Pulaski spent his own money to fund and organize many of his units. Secondly, the fact that he saved George Washington's life at the Battle of Brandywine fails to be mentioned here. Washington thought it notable and promoted Pulaski to Brigadier General of the American Cavalry. Third, his quote `I came here, where freedom is being defended, to serve it, and to live or die for it.' should be incorporated into the article. Lastly, I think (if passed by the House and President Bush) his honorary citizenship should be mentioned in the opening summary seeing as there have only been seven people to be ever recognized in this way.

I would like to see all these things included but would like some feedback and discussion regarding the inclusion of this information. Should the opening summary be extended, should new sections be added? Thanks in advance. JRWalko 23:38, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Without doubt this article, as a start class, should be expanded. If you would like to work on it, WP:PWNB would sure help.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  00:05, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "Full Holiday"

I'm in Illinois right now, the first Monday in March, in school. There is no full holiday! THE KC (talk) 15:29, 3 March 2008 (UTC).

[edit] The "Father of American Cavalry"

Is designating Pulaski, "the father of American cavalry" replete with the WP:Weasel "sometimes called" appropriate, even with a citation by Leszek Szymański? It should at least be formulated grammatically, if included. Dr. Dan (talk) 02:12, 29 March 2008 (UTC)