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Hello, KAVEBEAR! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. You may benefit from following some of the links below, which will help you get the most out of Wikipedia. If you have any questions you can ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking Image:Signature_icon.png or by typing four tildes "~~~~"; this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you are already loving Wikipedia you might want to consider being "adopted" by a more experienced editor or joining a WikiProject to collaborate with others in creating and improving articles of your interest. Click here for a directory of all the WikiProjects. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Happy editing! —Viriditas | Talk 09:35, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
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[edit] Citation tutorial

Thanks for your great contributions to Hawaii articles. Please take a look at the citation tutorial. This will help you improve these articles to Wikipedia standards. If I can answer any questions about this tutorial, please feel free me to contact me. —Viriditas | Talk 02:41, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Adding external links is great, but it's much more helpful if you add them as inline citations instead. I can show you how to do this if you need help. —Viriditas | Talk 05:22, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

To understand the scope of the problem, please click on "show":

Unreferenced Hawaii articles

As of 05:32, 14 February 2008 (UTC) that list only shows 86 articles that have been tagged as unreferenced. In reality, there are hundreds. It helps if you add inline citations whenever you add content. —Viriditas | Talk 05:29, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Liloa

You appear do do some great work on Hawaii related articles, but the blanking at Liloa did puzzle me. Could you explain your reasoning? Maybe a disambiguation page would be relevant there? Agathoclea (talk) 20:11, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Copyright problems

Hello. Concerning your contribution, Robert Wyllie, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from either web sites or printed material without the permission of the author. This article or image appears to be a direct copy from http://www.hml.org/mmhc/mdindex/wyllie.html. As a copyright violation, Robert Wyllie appears to qualify for deletion under the speedy deletion criteria. Robert Wyllie has been tagged for deletion, and may have been deleted by the time you see this message. For text material, please consider rewriting the content and citing the source, provided that it is credible.

If you believe that the article or image is not a copyright violation, or if you have permission from the copyright holder to release the content freely under the GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) then you should do one of the following:

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However, for text content, you may want to consider rewriting the content in your own words. Thank you, and please feel free to continue contributing to Wikipedia. .
Other text has just been cut and pasted from other pages as noted on the talk page. ww2censor (talk) 23:39, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

KAVEBEAR, this is precisely why you need to start using inline citations. If you don't do this, you will find a lot of your great contributions deleted. Remember to write everything in your own words. —Viriditas | Talk 08:54, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Mahalo

Mahalo for the work you are doing in Hawaiiana, especially the list of ali'i aimoku - maika'i! Do you have a list of top kahuna? I have been collecting names as I come across them but haven't organized them yet.A hui hou Makana Chai (talk) 08:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Edit summaries

Hi there. When editing an article on Wikipedia there is a small field labeled "Edit summary" under the main edit-box. It looks like this:
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The text written here will appear on the Recent changes page, in the page revision history, on the diff page, and in the watchlists of users who are watching that article. See m:Help:Edit summary for full information on this feature.

Filling in the edit summary field greatly helps your fellow contributors in understanding what you changed, so please always fill in the edit summary field. If you are adding a section, please do not just keep the previous section's header in the Edit summary field - please fill in your new section's name instead. Thank you. —Viriditas | Talk 08:54, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kahekili

Dab pages require more than two articles, both of which have to exist first. I'll make the necessary changes. —Viriditas | Talk 06:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of Kaimina'anao

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[edit] spam warning

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, one or more of the external links you added to the page Kapiolani do not comply with our guidelines for external links and have been removed. Wikipedia is not a collection of links; nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Since Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, external links do not alter search engine rankings. If you feel the link should be added to the article, please discuss it on the article's talk page before reinserting it. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Things that are named after the Queen are simply linkspam, and add nothing to the article. Geologyguy (talk) 13:54, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Robert Kalanikupuapaikalaninui Wilcox II

Hi KAVEBEAR, I noticed that you reverted my edits on the Robert Kalanikupuapaikalaninui Wilcox II page, switching the Marriage section back to the bulleted form from http://www.4dw.net/royalark/Hawaii/wilcox.htm. It seems like it is not the typical format, given that Robert William Wilcox has the formatting more like how I had done it. I don't want to get into an edit war, but please reply so that we can come to an understanding. I am a new wikipedian, so if there is some sort of rule for using non-standard formatting on early articles, please explain. Nnythm (talk) 22:35, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

KAVEBEAR, you cannot just revert users without discussion. Use the article talk page to explain your edits. Viriditas (talk) 23:44, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Messages

Go ahead and do what you think is best. But when another user like Nnythm asks why you reverted their edits, make sure you respond with an explanation. Thanks for your continued good work and have a great day. Viriditas (talk) 02:26, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Infobox color codes

Hi, sorry I missed your message about royalty color codes the first time around. The easiest way to figure it out is to look at the documenation on the template page and at actual examples in what links here. You can see that each code in every article using the template uses the form Infobox British Royalty|type where type is none/relative; highness/lesser; royal/prince; or majesty/monarch. They are grouped like that because each group only uses one color, so there are only four possible colors. You can actually setup a template test page and test it for yourself. To learn how to do this, read Wikipedia:Template test cases. If you need more help, contact me. Viriditas (talk) 09:51, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

For the hexadecimal colors, see Web colors. Viriditas (talk) 10:00, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
This is probably what you want: List of colors. Does that help? Viriditas (talk) 10:04, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed deletion of Line of succession to the Hawaiian throne (Keōua Nui)

A proposed deletion template has been added to the article Line of succession to the Hawaiian throne (Keōua Nui), suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice should explain why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised because even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Stifle (talk) 22:21, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean it does not exist? Currently all Hawaiian pretenders are not descendants of any of Hawaii's eight monarchs. Every one of them died childless or their descendants died out. But the Kawananakoas and Keoua Nuis, descend from the last Big Island alii or king, Keawe-i-Kekahi-ali'i-o-kamoku II. Both house descends from the Big Island chiefdom's throne and even distantly to the other three major islands. This is a line of succession of an abolished monarchy. All articles on the other line of succession of other abolished monarchies like the monarchies of Austria-Hungary, Legitimist France, Bonapartist France, Orleanist France, Georgia, Iran, Korea, China, Two Siciles, and etc should be deleted since their throne doesn't exist, so by definition a line of succession to it is non-notable.

KAVEBEAR (talk) 22:38, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree, they should be deleted. Stifle (talk) 22:40, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Numbering

Kavebear, I don't know if this is what you wanted, but please look at my edits. Please also join WP:HAWAII and get involved with the project. You can sign up here. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 09:44, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hawaiʻi WikiProject Newsletter - Issue II - May 2008

Aloha. The May 2008 issue of the Hawaiʻi WikiProject newsletter has been published. To change your delivery options or unsubscribe, visit this link. Mahalo nui loa. WikiProject Hawaiʻi 10:01, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lydia Liliuokalani Kawānanakoa

User:Nhimexico vandalized the article. When you run into that problem again, simply revert to the last good version. You can do this in a number of ways depending on how you catch the vandalism. If it's in your watchlist, click on "diff" and then edit the version before the vandalism occurred. Or, you can run any number of vandal tools, from pop-ups to Twinkle. Follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Vandalism for further info. Please contact me if you have any questions. Viriditas (talk) 05:30, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image gallery

I made the changes on my talk page, so look at it in edit mode. I'm not sure you can center an uneven number of images using the <gallery> tag. I think you would just have to use a table instead. Viriditas (talk) 01:41, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Family trees

See Wikipedia:Family trees. There are several ways to make family trees, including {{familytree}} and {{chart}}. Give me an example of the tree you want to work with and I'll present you with a choice of different styles and you can choose one you like. Viriditas (talk) 22:19, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the tree. I'll start this one and see if I can finish for you. Viriditas (talk) 05:56, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
It would help me if you could first convert the tree you gave me on my talk page to the appropriate ASCII form. To see how this is easily done, look at this link. From there, we can convert to something like Template:Weasleyfamilytree. Can you do that? Viriditas (talk) 06:49, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Please look at the ASCII link above. It uses the format Husband══╤══Wife. I need you to add those symbols, otherwise I can't make sense of it without knowing the genealogy. By using the equals sign, you solve this problem. Viriditas (talk) 14:08, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about the delay in getting back to you. I've been pretty busy, and this is a holiday weekend so I'll be in and out. I'll take a look at the genealogy and the statue and get back to you with more information. BTW, I want to mention the work you are doing on the family trees in the June newsletter. Viriditas (talk) 11:06, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] CfD nomination of Category:Big Island royalty

Category:Big Island royalty, which you created, has been nominated for renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Cgingold (talk) 07:53, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kanekapuakakuhihew

To delete the redirect, go here and add the following tag: {{db-author}}. You can also use the edit summary to explain, such as "wrong spelling". Viriditas (talk) 00:48, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hawaiʻi WikiProject Newsletter - Issue III - June 2008

Aloha. The June 2008 issue of the Hawaiʻi WikiProject newsletter has been published. To change your delivery options or unsubscribe, visit this link. Mahalo nui loa. WikiProject Hawaiʻi 04:11, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kanaka Maoli flag

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[edit] Chiefs' Children's School

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[edit] Notability of Kakae

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For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. RyRy5 (talk) 20:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)


[edit] No content in Category:Royal Family of Kauai and Niihau

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[edit] Royal School (disambiguation)

Hi. I don't support this move. Royal School is not a primary topic. Please review WP:DAB for more information. I'm going to try and reverse this. Viriditas (talk) 12:39, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I see you did the same thing with Alo. Please do not move standard disambiguation pages to Hawaii topics. This is not inline with our policy on dab pages. For now, please do not move any pages. Thank you. Viriditas (talk) 12:41, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Same with Haho. That needs to be either a primary topic or a dab page. In order to have a Hawaii topic as a primary topic, we must be able to prove it, with either a google search or some other indicator, such as a private database. Viriditas (talk) 12:52, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
This is a good opportunity for you to learn how to setup and maintain disambiguation pages. Viriditas (talk) 12:53, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Diacritics in article titles

While the current version of the proposed guideline says no (See MOS:HAWAII#Article_titles), the discussion on the talk page seems to say yes. See this thread and add your opinion. Viriditas (talk) 04:20, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

No, it's best to discuss proposed moves on the talk page first, however, you are also welcome to do what you think is best. As for the merge of Papa, I'll take care of it later tonight. Viriditas (talk) 04:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hawaiian Anthems

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[edit] E Ola Ke Alii Ke Akua

The title is a bit strange; following the Hawaiian VSO (verb-subject-object) word order, this would translate to "King, Save God." But since ola can mean "to save", I guess the title could mean "God Save The King." Based on what I know of Hawaiian grammar, the title might rather be "E Ola Ke Akua i Ke Ali‘i", which would mean "God, Save the King". But hey, it was Lunalilo, I won't argue with what he named the song.

As for the lyrics...

I mua ou makou Before Thee
Ke ʻliʻi o na Ali`i King of Kings
E aloha mai Of Whom all nature sings
E mau ke ea e Our prayer we bring
ʻO ke aupuni nei Oh let our kingdom live
E ola mau makou Life, peace and union give
Me ka moʻi Let all Thy care receive
Bless Thou our king

This is odd to me. "E mau ke ea e" ("let the sovereignty be eternal" or something similar) and "ʻO ke aupuni nei" seem to both refer to "Oh let our kingdom live". The line "Let all Thy care receive" doesn't seem to have a direct translation in the Hawaiian lyrics, and "E aloha mai" is quite vague. Kal (talk) 06:42, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] July newsletter

Please consider putting together a small paragraph telling the project what you are working on and what you need help with for publication in the next newsletter. You can use this page to post your ideas. Thanks. Viriditas (talk) 08:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't know what to say. Can you give me an example of what other user has written? And when you referr to project do you mean the ideas I have in mind. Also I talking on my talk page since this is probably what you would like. KAVEBEAR (talk) 19:38, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Don't worry; you wouldn't have to write it if you don't want to do that. All I need for you to do is "report" on what you are doing here, what you need help with (genealogies, etc.) and yes, what ideas you have. You can use this space to discuss those things if you like. And, there is no hurry on this. I'm asking you because you have been very active on this project, and I want to see you get some recognition for your efforts. Not only that, if we you had more help, we might be able to improve more articles. I think, for example, that if you had access to automation (bots) in some way, either by generating jobs or working directly with a bot owner, that it might help you accomplish some of your goals. Viriditas (talk) 21:43, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
Check the link you gave to see if that is what you mean. KAVEBEAR (talk) 23:54, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: By and By, Ho'i Mai Oe (By and By Thou Wilt Return)

Is this translation reliable?

Uh, sorry, what translation? Kal (talk) 00:10, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I thought you meant some lyrics that you forgot to add. :P Anyway, it sounds good to me :) Kal (talk) 00:15, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Ku‘u Ipo I Ka He‘e Pu‘e One
Yep, one is a Hawaiian word and could mean "sand" or, poetically, "land". As for "Kuu Ipo Ika Hee Pueone," I'm fairly positive that it has the same meaning as Ku‘u Ipo I Ka He‘e Pu‘e One. Kal (talk) 06:21, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Ku‘u Ipo = my sweetheart, I Ka = in the (in this case), Pu‘e = hill, and He‘e could mean ripple...I'm not sure how One ties in, though. Also, Maika‘i Waipi‘o does mean "Beautiful Waipi‘o." :) Kal (talk) 06:38, 14 June 2008 (UTC)