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Oregon State Capitol 1943?

Wouldn't the Champoeg meetings have been in 1843? Or did they do something commemorative in 1943? —EncMstr 18:35, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Aw geeze. Just shoot me now. Or at least take away my SPOGG card... Katr67 18:49, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

French Prairie

I was adding to the article, and when I went back to fix my mistake I notice the redlink for the railroad. Is it supposed to be Oregon Railway and Navigation Company or maybe just the Oregon Railway Company? Aboutmovies 17:21, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but I think it's different, and I recall double checking the name when I typed it--but the McArthurs are not always right. On the other hand there were a lot those little RR companies, and there were lots of mergers and renames in short spans of time during the RR heyday. Note there's also a bit of confusion between the Railway Co. and Oregon Railroad and Navigation Company, which I assumed were the same thing, but I was wrong. I still haven't straightened all that out. I'll do a bit of a search and see if I can find out anything. Isn't someone in WP:ORE a railfan? Thanks for adding to the article, too. Katr67 17:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
That's why I didn't just change it, I know there were a lot of RR back then, but I hadn't heard of that one so I thought I'd check. At some point I should be able to take care of some of the redlinks and expand some more on that region now that I discovered my old text book. Aboutmovies 17:56, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, according to our pal Leslie M. Scott: "The supreme court of the United States held that the Oregonian Railway Company had no power to execute the lease and the Oregon Railway and Navigation Company no power to accept it." [1] Here's the case. And here's some pictures. That might be right up your alley. A new article, peutêtre? Looks like the Oregonian Co. was local and narrow-guage and the ORNC had a wider scope. Katr67 17:58, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Mary Ramsey Wood

IF this woman were '120' and proven, I would definitely rate her as of high importance. However...her true age appears to be closer to 97 (based on the 1880 census). With the age claim removed, her significance diminishes, although I agree the article should be kept.Ryoung122 07:59, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, we're quite capable of reassessing the article ourselves. Thanks though. Katr67 15:10, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Re:Meetup

Right now, I/we haven't picked a spot. that was going to be my next question for whoever shows up. I work in Hillsboro (yes, at that company -- I'm a contractor), & live in NE Portland, so I'm pretty flexible about location. -- llywrch 17:22, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Willamette University College of Law

Could you take a look and copy edit this article and let me know what you think it might need for GA. I still need to convert the Law journals section to a paragraph, but I want to see if you think anything else is needed. Thanks. Aboutmovies 21:53, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Glutton for punishment eh? If there's anything left of me after happy hour, I'll see what I can do. I don't think there's a law against drunken editing...yet. Katr67 22:01, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up. I'll watch out for the slurred speech and random tangents. Aboutmovies 22:36, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
I do those when I'm sober... Katr67 22:45, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the copyedit. I just finished the journal conversion and expanded the lead. So if you could read those over to make sure they make sense I appreciate it greatly much and stuff. Aboutmovies 19:28, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I didn't read it for sense yet. I've gotta run, but I'll take another look Sunday night... Katr67 19:53, 3 August 2007 (UTC) Thanks for all the edits and work, and barnstar. I'll put it up for GA now. Aboutmovies 01:21, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Hello Katr67

I am rkmlai from wikipedia.

How are you doing ? I was reviewing your user page history and saw that you are taking exams ?, going to OCF, maybe preping for a midlife crisis ?

My intent to is to offer a friendly hand of inquiry and support. To offer "connection" in a possible time of rockyness. I myself am no longer living at Lost Valley Educational Center though I like the place a lot. I am right now here: http://rkmlai.livejournal.com in Seattle, Washington.

Peace

rkmlai 19:00, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi, that is very sweet of you. I'm not taking exams (I ruled out law school after I got my fill of reading legislation), but I did promise someone I would copy edit his article (see above). Yep, I went to the OCF, had a good time and took some pretty good pictures I need to post to Commons (my secret agenda is to show that OCF isn't entirely about boobs and drugs :). The mid-life crisis thing is somewhat tongue-in-cheek, I actually have one about every 10 years, despite the fact that I'm planning to live to be 120. I've met several people who live or have lived at Lost Valley over the years, and also the folks who used to run the cafe in Dexter. It seems like a really good community. Knowing there are only about three degrees of separation in the Willamette Valley, especially in the counterculture community, I bet we know several people in common! I see you're interested in the White Train too--I didn't go but I have friends who helped stop it and someone who recently unearthed some old photos of the event--I definitely need to try to get copies to put up on here. Thanks for the nice note! Katr67 19:21, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Er ... what Cafe in Dexter ? Did Lost Valley run a cafe in Dexter ? Must have been before my time (last three years). Or was it just a Cafe run by Dexterians ? What was the name ?

I would be interested in viewing your pictures. Got a link ? You sound happy about the event.

I also have been planning on living to be at least 120. What have I got to lose by setting my sights high ? Keep things in perspective for my self.

I wonder who we do know in common ? :)

My interest in the White Train stems from my researching the Ground Zero newsletters for the timeline to be presented at the upcoming 30 year anniversary GZ event in Bangor, Washington Naval Base this coming weekend. My interest in anti-nuclearism is also as I do Nevada Desert Experience stuff.

If you wish, though this is not a request, I feel like my editing and articles could sometimes use some editting. I invite you, if you wish, to edit anything of mine, such that I might learn better 'editing'.

Thanks for writing me back. I like conversation.

Peace,

rkmlai 00:06, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

that template

Glad I could give you something to do this morning with my overuse of that silly grave template. I never even considered that it was spam; it just seemed like a cool way to find someone's grave. I could go either way as to whether we keep it or not, regardless of the outcome of the debate. --Sprkee 17:09, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Riverdale High School

I've moved the articles, and I'm working on restoring and merging the page histories. In the future, instead of using speedy delete tags, you can list uncontroversial move requests at Wikipedia:Requested_moves#Uncontroversial_proposals. Thanks.-Andrew c [talk] 20:39, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Big bro sez...

...welcome to middle age.  :-) Love ya. --Finngall talk 08:09, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Where to find dead famous Oregonians

Hi, Katr67, I just ran across the Find A Grave website and thought you might find it interesting to see who's buried where in Oregon. Check it out (if you haven't already.)

Find A Grave --DaKine 17:51, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Happy birthday

Hey! Happy birthday. After I turned 40, life became very interesting and worthwhile. In many ways, the first forty was just the warm up. Take care, —EncMstr 05:24, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Elsinore Theatre

Hey Katr67 thanks for taking a look at those edits I did on the Elsinore Theatre page. Is it general policy to never allow something on site without 3rd party references? Today is basically my first editing/adding to Wikipedia so I'm not really sure how it works precisely. I can certainly understand how the ghost section was taken off as its hearsay. For the murals shouldn't most of it be left on and the last sentence be struck until a newspaper article on the subject can be found (which isn't likely but I'm hopeful)? I can certainly find references to the murals on various sites. In the history you said "unexplained removal of infobox parameters".. I have no idea what this means! Thanks for your help. --King256 07:37, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

If you check out this link (what we call a "diff" around here) you can see the changes you made. If you didn't mean to remove the fields from the infobox (and even if you did) you should always check your edits by using the show preview button. You will also see you introduced some extra "''''"s, which I took to be a test edit. That along with your added information of dubious reliability (it's hard to get reliable sources on ghost stories), yes I reverted the lot. We don't "never" allow things without reliable sources but we strongly urge people to provide citations for anything that might be questionable. In your case the entire ghost story part needs to be backed by citations (the part about it looking "noticeably spooky", however, should still be left out as that doesn't seem to fit our policy on neutral point-of-view), and especially the bit about the mural being thought of as demonic, but also the location and appearance of the murals, which, without citations, looks like it could be original research, which is another no-no. If your accidental removal of parts of the article hadn't set off my vandal radar, I might have just attached the tag {{fact}} to the parts that needed citations, which allows the info to stand but lets people know the information has not been verified. We do have a lot of rules, but hopefully you will read up on some of the links provided and not get discouraged. Let me know if you want to try again and I'll see if I can't help get your additions up to standard if needed. And be sure to check out WikiProject Oregon if you're into Oregon stuff. Happy editing! Katr67 13:54, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Oregon protected areas template

Thanks for the compliment! I've just about got that template to the point where I'll throw it into production and alert other editors to have a go at it - just have to finish the tedious copying-across of the Oregon state parks, and wrap up the ODFW section. (P.S. Happy birthday!) Ipoellet 05:24, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Orenco

Dear Katr67,

Would be possible for you to review the information about Orenco? The reason of the question I'm posing here is, Orenco is still alive. The geographical area where Old Orenco Townsite is located is not actualy where Orenco Station was built. Mostly of people from the area do not know on the location nor the history. Actualy Orenco Station was built in the farming area of Oregon Nursery Company, not where it was the real nursery town. On the buildings still remaining, in the core of Old Orenco Townsite there are 8 buildings remaining, listed on Washington County Cultural Resources and later listed with National Register of Historic Places.

The area is still lined with centenary Elm trees, as there are as well few fruit trees from Orenco Stock in the public right-of-way. Orenco was famous by its variety and quality stock. Apples were only one of the fruits within their product line, the plums are as well very famous world wide, as a great variety of plants, fruits, trees, etc.

I just would like to help on clarifications, if you do not mind, because we are losing this area in a very high speed and as a property owner within the area, I believe the community at large should be aware that they can help to save what still remains as historic significant to Oregon History. Any help is very welcome and if you do not mind to have some help on the page here at the Wikipedia, you will be welcome to have a lot of additional information to make sure the history will remain alive and the importance of Orenco in Oregon History will be well promoted.

Thank you very much for your kind attention and cooperation, Rgds, EricaDee —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ermdee (talk • contribs) 14:14, August 12, 2007

Hi Erica, welcome to Wikipedia. I actually know very little about the Orenco area. I added some information I found in Oregon Geographic Names and I tend to copyedit Oregon articles in general, and I am the most recent person to edit the article, that's all. If you could quote the parts that you think need review on the article's talk page, that would help. (If you mean the statement about Orenco Station--I don't believe the article is saying that Orenco Station=Old Town Orenco, it is saying that Orenco Station is in the area that the town of Orenco formerly occupied.) I can't really do much more than tag the unclear parts with {{fact}} tags. You would be much better off working with Aboutmovies (who recently added a great deal of well-sourced information to the article), and N8lewis, who I think is the one who added the bit about the old buildings. I don't mind if you help because none of us own the article and you are welcome to add cited information from reliable sources (historic books, etc. versus original research). The information about the trees, etc. is very interesting so please feel free to add to the article. I'm very sympathetic to your cause, but just a gentle reminder that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, so be sure any additions you make come from a neutral point of view. If you have further questions about the Orenco article, let's keep the conversation about it on that talk page--it will help future editors. Also, we still need an article on the Oregon Nursery Company itself, if you'd like to contribute to that. Thanks, I look forward to your contributions. Katr67 15:21, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your message Katr67, I will try to contribute to make the history of Orenco to be as factual as possible, based on information obtained from Washington County Historical Society e Museum, Washington County Tax Assessor, Orenco Heritage Book by Lou Hanberg, but first I would like to show the article to Lou Hanberg, I know he would be cooperating on the editing and quoting the areas where the revision is necessary. I just checked the last person whom did the revision and got in touch, but I will be contacting as well the first person who made the information available, as I like Wikipedia a lot and the information contained here, I would like to make an effort and cooperate with reliable resouces, not independent research, as per required by Wikipedia policies.

Anyway, thank you so much for the insight and the help, I will be back with more information soon.

Rgds, 24.21.35.103 02:59, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Editing the article on Oregon Shakespeare Festival

Thanks for your comments. I'm pretty new to this and hope you don't mind my asking some questions. You said I didn't need to sign my name using the ~~~~, but Just H, another editor (who evidently has been banned) wrote this to me: Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking Image:Signature_icon.png or by typing four tildes "~~~~" Does that mean I need to use four tildes on talk pages but not when I'm editing?

I've tried to clean up the article by doing the things listed in the clean up boxes within the article and also on the Oregon Wiki page. Now that I've done those things, how do I get rid of the two boxes still there within the article, one at the top and one near the end. One says "replace this take..." but I feel uncomfortable erasing stuff put there by people who know a lot more than I do. Can I just do that?

OK, this is a talk page, so I better use those tildes! --JanetFA 21:38, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi Janet, thanks for contacting me.
Re: tildes. Yes, you use tildes when posting on talk pages, but not when you're editing. For example, if you click on the "history" tab on the top of any page (for example here is what you will see when you click on the history for the Oregon Shakespeare Festival), you can see that who has edited the page is automatically recorded. So when filling out an edit summary field, as I explained about on your talk page (and thanks for filling them out), you don't need to put tildes, because they don't do anything but be 4 squiggles.
OSF: First of all, are you associated with OSF? Please read about conflict of interest, and what Wikipedia is not (including the part about it not being free advertising space). I want to assume you are acting in good faith, and I have nothing against OSF (I love Shakespeare), but I have serious concerns about your additions to the article. Most of the content seems to be promotional in nature, the additions destroyed a great deal of existing formatting, and may be copied and pasted from OSF material, which may be a copyright violation unless express permission has been given to use it. Another good essay is about ownership of articles, which I encourage you to read because you might not know it, but the way you edited the article without consulting with other editors first, and because I suspect you wish to promote the OSF, makes it look like you might feel a sense of ownership over the article. I apologize if I'm jumping to conclusions, but I've seen many well-meaning editors try to change articles about their businesses and organizations and the pattern is similar. I realize there are a lot of rules around here for "the encyclopedia anyone can edit" and this can be discouraging. If you will take a look at the links I provided, I'll see what I can do about the cleanup of the OSF article. I'll try to preserve as much of the content as I can and you will see what I mean by "cleanup" and "in-text citations". I might not be able to get to it right away but I'll do my best.
Also, were you or someone else at OSF behind the merging of the two theatre articles (Elizabethan and Bowmer) into the OSF article? Because I think those could actually stand alone, especially now that the OSF article is so lengthy. Any reason for the merge?
Let's continue any OSF-specific conversation on that article's talk page, so other editors can help out. Thanks! Katr67 22:24, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

WPOR Collaboration of the Week

Greetings WPOR member, we are starting a weekly collaboration project where we will announce two articles that are currently stubs that we hope to work together to improve. No pressure to help, but if you would like to, just stop by one of the articles and see if you can find information to expand the article with, copy edit what is there, help with formatting, or add some images. This week’s articles are: Alis volat propriis and Fusitriton oregonensis. Aboutmovies 22:25, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Yee haw! Way to be bold my friend! Katr67 22:27, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

your request

I'd be more than happy to check out the OSF article, I've seen many plays there. VanTucky (talk) 23:21, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much for you consideration. I'll let you know when I'll be done, should just be a second. VanTucky (talk) 21:07, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Done. Thanks again for your politeness Katr. VanTucky (talk) 21:09, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey, whatever the motivation, I like it. VanTucky (talk) 21:14, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Bob's Red Mill

How do we know the company jumped from 75 to 150 employees in two years' time? Badagnani 17:17, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Someone who appears to be associated with the company updated the figure and I'm assuming good faith (but of course that needs to be cited so I {{fact}} tagged it). If we can't find a citation for the figure, of course it should be changed back. But according to a the more recent citation, they bought a new plant and plan to triple their capacity--I assume that means they will have to employ more people, so I don't think there's anything unreasonable about doubling the number of employees. Katr67 17:28, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

That makes sense. Funny how companies often detect their WP pages so soon after creation--shows you how important WP has become! Badagnani 20:00, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Lost Signature

I could have sworn I types in my signature using the four tildes. Very strange. I've been around for a long time but don't spend much time here, thus the two pages I've created are pretty crappy. JoshEnglish 19:37, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean. If you mean the welcome template, that's just a standard message, which happens to include the 4 tildes bit. You signed your post at Wordos, it was another post that I tagged unsigned. Do you know how to check page diffs? Katr67 19:47, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Not the prettiest thing, but an award nonetheless

Image:CopyeditorStar7.PNG The Copyeditor's Barnstar
For all your work copyediting around WPOR, especially with the WUCL article which I think will pass GA soon. Aboutmovies 02:58, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
This could really double as a Harry Potter barnstar, which is kinda cool... Katr67 16:11, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

WPOR Collaboration of the Week

Greetings WikiProject Oregon employees. Well a big thanks to all those who helped improve Alis volat propriis and Fusitriton oregonensis last week. This week’s Stub improvement are: Government of Oregon which should be easy, and Miss Oregon. Again, no pressure to help with the collaboration, choose one, both, or neither. Also, feel free to opt out of the notifications at the new page dedicated to collaborative efforts at WPOR (newsletter is in R&D). Aboutmovies 18:46, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Salem

Why reverse every single one of the changes I made on Salem, Oregon? I understand the Capitol problems but I added more specific info on Chemeketa and location of the Oregon State Hospital and all was removed. Why? I have lived in Salem many years, I know the place pretty well. Coyotez 20:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

First of all, most of your additions were not encyclopedic and add an unnecessary level of detail--the casual reader (who could be from anywhere in the world) does not need to know the exact street on which the state hospital is located unless the location itself is notable. (See what Wikipedia is not for infomation about this concept, especially the part about it not being a tourist guide or an indiscriminate collection of information.) Also, since this is an article about Salem, the more precise details can go in the article about the hospital. Then there is the fact that most of your additions were uncited and seem to be original research. Even if something might be true, for Wikipedia purposes it needs to be backed up with reliable sources. Also some of your edits removed existing formatting and wikilinks. Along with introducing spelling errors and the fact that you were ignoring the existing wiki formatting (introducing a link like Oregon State Capitol Building, for example, when there was already a link to Oregon State Capitol) it was simply easier to revert the whole thing. You can see I restored some of your edits about the word "Chemeketa" (and do you have a source for the pronunciation? that's good stuff but it needs to be cited), and I'm willing to work in some of the rest of the changes you made. Let's continue to discuss this on the article's talk page. I'd suggest you also start using Show preview before you save your edits to help not introduce typos into the text. Thanks. Katr67 20:45, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

FYI

Open offer :) — Scientizzle 23:05, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I figured there was only a ~5% chance you'd give in. I've read your FAQ before (and our fairly recent conversation on the topic was only just archived). Anyhow, in six months, or any time sooner, I'll be more than willing to shepherd you into the dark side adminship. I'm of the opinion that even a reluctant sysop that only performed one deletion/block/page protection a week reduces the load on everyone. Remember, just like regular editing, you can do as little or as much as you want! See you in 6 months... Cheers, — Scientizzle 01:55, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

County seat

Just curious, why are you changing all the references to county seat to a piped link that just reads "seat"? I think it may be confusing for readers unfamiliar with the concept. Though the definition of "seat" is "the center of authority", the term "county seat" is better because it is more specific, and I believe in common usage people normally say something is "the county seat of Whatever County." I don't think redundancy is an issue in this case. Katr67 21:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I changed it in instances where "county seat" made for awkward or redundant wording, as in "the county seat of the county is XYZ." I kept the link there so that people may feel free to click on it if they do not understand. (Keep in mind that "county seat" itself is an abridged version of the full name - "seat of the county government.") Funnyhat 18:27, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

edit summary

Hi katr - Just FYI that my exasperated edit summary wasn't directed at your good faith edit, but at the glut of tags generally and on that page in particular. Personally I fall into the Tags are evil camp, at least as far as thinking the vast majority of them should be placed on talk pages. Debivort 20:17, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

World Forestry Center

Thanks for your help with editing the WFC page, which I started to update today. I appreciate the changes you made as the original entry was very outdated. I did, however make some more changes to your edits, but I would like your feedback on these changes. I am trying to make this factual and informative, let me know if it does not appear that way.

KMGJ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kmgj (talk • contribs) 23:47, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback, I will find outside sources to post. Let me know if there is still too much bold. If so, I would prefer to format The Discovery Museum and the World Forest Institute and leave the rest in regular formatting. Sorry I forgot to sign my name at the last posting. Kmgj 13:25, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your continued help with the World Forestry Center entry. I will post references this week. Let me know if you think that the bold is too much still. However, I would like to leave 'The Discovery Museum' and 'World Forest Institute' formatted this way.Kmgj 14:54, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, as you can tell I am new, and I left you a second post when I thought the first was lost. Kmgj 23:38, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

COTW templates

I kind of wanted that "main" template to look like some of the other templates that we have, so I kept it left-aligned...but I can't quite find a way to get it to look right when it is centered. I gotta bail on it for a while anyway, you want to give it a go? --Sprkee 19:20, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

OK, I tried a centered version...it needed the smaller map, which doesn't quite match the other big templates we have. You like this better? --Sprkee 21:28, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
Looks good...I tweaked it ever-so-slightly so it was centered with the stuff below it. Now it's perfect. And thanks for the Eightmile article...but no ghosts, eh? Oh well. --Sprkee 22:01, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

COTW duplication

Oops, I didn't see that page. Yeah, nuke mine and let's use the existing one. --Sprkee 19:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Jesuit High School (Portland)

I did the move you requested but the moved page was merely a redirect so I restored the prior versions and removed the tag. Carlossuarez46 20:47, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, not being an admin, I wasn't able to do the move over the redirect. Hopefully the page histories are OK. Katr67 20:50, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

siht ees uoy did you see this?

http://www.snopes.com/language/placenames/yreka.asp --Sprkee 20:54, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Assessments

I thought all were FA!!! Actually start is what I thought too, too many holes to fill in, but beyond Stub. Thanks for clearing up that backlog, now if someone could take care of the unassessed category backlog too. Aboutmovies 04:34, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

You mean these? I'd do it but you actually write articles I feel I should read thoroughly and that takes too long! </whine> But I'm sure they're all brilliant. Seriously though, do you think any of them are B's yet? P.S. BTW, have you tried claiming Gray is 120 years old? That might help... 04:59, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar!

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar

The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
for quick and efficient anti-vandal work, you always seem to beat me to the revert. Tiptoety 05:41, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

WPOR Collaboration of the Week

Hello again WikiProject Oregon team members, its time for the next Collaboration of the Week. First a shout out to Sprkee for putting together some templates for this project. Now, in honor of Labor Day weekend and the outdoor nature of the activities that often accompany the three-day weekend, this week’s item is to de-redlink as many parks from the List of Oregon State Parks. Some may even by going to one of these places, a great opportunity to take a picture or two for an article. As always, participation is not required, though it is appreciated. And if you are caught, we will disavow any knowledge of your existence. Since we don’t want to waste any effort through duplication, please make a note on the talk page of which park article you are going to start. Good day! Aboutmovies 19:33, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Writing articles on New York School artists of the 1950s

Hi Katr67! Thank you for your comment. Somebody asked me to sign my edits' summary. I will not do it again. I am working on the biography of Mary Callery. I wonder if you would be kind enough to have a look at it. It is not ready yet. Sincerely Yours, (Salmon1 17:54, 31 August 2007 (UTC))

Hi Katr67! I finished the article on Mary Callery. I wonder whether it would meet your approval? Best regards, (Salmon1 21:05, 31 August 2007 (UTC))

Sure, I can take a look. Katr67 21:06, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi Katr67! You are a real professional. Your edit in the begining just showed how well you wraped up in one sentence Mary Callery's importance in art history. I am very happy to know you. Sincerely Yours, (Salmon1 22:44, 31 August 2007 (UTC))

Hi Katr67! I hope that I am not overbearing at this point. Learning from your example editing Mary Caller's article I added images of Judith Brown's sculptures as external images. I hope this will satisfy the requirement. Sincerely Yours, (Salmon1 23:58, 31 August 2007 (UTC))

coffee and trains

I couldn't decide if retiring to Ashland counted as being WPORworthy, so I'm glad you made that call for me. I used to live right next to store #2, does that make me non-neutral? I guess I'll walk to store #10,000 for lunch to toast the old guy.

I did see the Eugene Amtrak station on the NHRP just as I was posting my note to AM; glad to make your morning, or at least a few minutes of it... --Sprkee 17:55, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Sure, why not--I had no idea it was his fault he created the monster that is Starbucks--that seems noteworthy enough to me. We don't have Peet's 'round these parts though, I'm an Allan Bros. girl myself, even if I know there's just this guy named Alan who has no brothers... Yeah, I was just messing around with train station articles last night. Hopefully I'll get around to writing up a bit on the Eugene and Salem stations tonight. Katr67 18:15, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
And we don't have AB...I'll check it out next time I'm there. Anything to avoid the big green corporate steamroller. (Though in truth, their drip coffee is decent, it's the espresso that is an abomination; oh, and of course the customers and their super-twee orders.) --Sprkee 18:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
At AB they actually know how to pull a good espresso (and being a humanities major, believe me, I know all about pulling espresso), though the help is often surly, but I don't blame them, I used to work there (as a baker) too.<--Stalkers, if you had any doubt about who I am, there ya go. But yeah, I think Starbucks' product is decent, but I really hate the fact that they do things like drive Coffee People out of Eugene by putting in a store right across the street from them, and the people who think they're getting some sort of authentic coffehouse experience when they go there. One of my favorite alt.country CDs is from them though. They are genius at marketing, I'll give them that. Katr67 18:39, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
DYK Allan Brothers has Ashland roots? The story I heard is that one of the aforementioned brothers, while a student at Southern Oregon University, began roasting coffee beans in a cast iron skillet over a hot plate in his dorm room. This led to the opening of The Beanery, which still serves AB coffee in Ashland, and from there to the empire that is Allan Brothers. Those other caffeinated siblings, the Dutch Brothers are from Grants Pass.--DaKine 15:33, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
You knew SB bought CP, right? There was a Torrefazione Italia in the Pearl that I liked, until SB bought them (along with SBC) and then closed most of them. Who's next? Watch out McDonald's! --Sprkee 18:49, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
They did?!? And they bought SBC too (back in '03 I see)? OK, now I really hate them... Hopefully Mr. Alan will never sell out. Katr67 19:02, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Notable Oregon residents, Medford and elsewhere.

While researching the Patrick Duffy claim (I've sold things to him and Annette O'Toole while working in stores in Ashland), I ran across this thread from the Medford Mail Tribune's Forum and thought you might be interested.

[2]

By the way, some Google searching seems to indicate Duffy's ranch is in the Gold Hill, Oregon area, not Medford.--DaKine 18:19, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for checking into it. Even if some of those are just rumors, there's still quite a few more celebrities holed up down there than I realized. I imagine a lot of them don't want to be found, so I bet it will be hard to find sources for many of them. As far as location, people seem to want to lump everything within a 50-mile radius into "Medford" (note that I changed the categories to insist that Ashland doesn't= Medford). Not being from around there, I'm not sure how the locals feel about that... Katr67 18:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Judith Brown

Hi Katr67! I followed your advice and I deleted all the links except one where I added some information as to the images. Thank you very much. I truly admire your knowledge and abilities. Best regards, (Salmon1 02:22, 1 September 2007 (UTC))

Hi Katr67! I wonder how "to clean" this article more then what we have done? It would be nice to finish the process. Sincerely, (Salmon1 13:56, 2 September 2007 (UTC))

Clock Information

Hi Katr67! Thanks for the warning. I have per your email removed all mention of the Conger Street Clock Museum, Illuminated clocks, and the water clock.

I didn't mean to do a bad think. The Conger Street Clock Museum has the oldest domestic water clock (clepsydra) on display in any museum in the United States, and has many other very rare clocks that are only on display in that museum. I thought it would be nice to share the information about those clocks with the people that use Wikipedia. I have since read the rules and realize that Wikipedia is not meant for that kind of information. I will leave Wikipedia to the pros and leave the clocks to the Conger Street Clock Museusm's website.

Thanks again for the warning.

Thanks for the correction

On the Portland, Oregon site re "redundant link". Guess I was a bit sleepy... Brian Pearson 00:27, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

mist, oregon

sorry to muck up the page so as to require your clean up.

the page was was poor condition to start with, and half the information there was wrong.

I tried to water down some of the misinformation and got rid of the piece about a railroad being there as it never was. (the Railroad the previous writer was likely speaking of was the Kerry Line which is a significant railroad but it didn't go to Mist, --- it came down from Fishhawk after coming over the mountain (and through the mountain) from Woodsen. (Near Westport) The roundhouse was at Neverstill west of Birkenfeld.

the depleted gaswell storage there is important and significant, as Oregon's only storage site. It also has a lot to do with why the Lower river is the site of no less than 3 highly controversial LGN terminal proposals.

also need something there to upstage the black photo (which I think should be deleted since it doesn't show anything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rvannatta (talk • contribs) 03:50, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Cites

The Harvard referencing system is specifically acknowledged by WP:CITE. Woodsylass 05:08, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Sumpter Valley Gold Dredge

Thanks for the heads-up! I've plugged what little I've already done into that article, and I'll work up some new contributions for the future. Ipoellet 19:09, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Bernard's Airport

Here's a new article on a former airport I thought you might want to check out. Happy editing! Katr67 21:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks for the heads up. Yeah I ate at the McMenamins Cedar Hills a while back and they had quite a few aviation related items up on the wall. I was amazed at how much info they had on their website about the old field. I think it was recently featured in Air & Space magazine. I need to go find that article... --Trashbag 22:16, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Feel free

I indeed started a draft. Feel free to add/edit/change/rearrange, I am off for the night. See you all tomorrow (though I will be busy). --Dirk Beetstra T C 23:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

New hopefully GA item

When you have a chance, could you work your magic at Charles L. McNary with an eye towards GA. Let me know if you think it needs anything else. Thanks. Aboutmovies 19:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Will do. We should also request a translation of Henrique Medina... Katr67 19:36, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, how do we request a translation? Aboutmovies 00:58, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
La voilà! Katr67 02:49, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Cool, now they just need an ego translator that removes ego from autobiographies. Did you see this in the news? Interesting proposition. Not fool proof, but a start. Aboutmovies 19:23, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
OK, I think I made the two stints part more clear, let me know if that works and anything else. Aboutmovies 20:16, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Christmas trees

I just wanted to let you know, because Christmas trees are a big industry in Oregon, that I am doing quite a bit of work on Christmas tree farming. Most of it is in my user space at User:IvoShandor/Christmas tree farm (you'll have to poke around in the sub pages to find everything--it's all linked on my user page). The only article that is ready for the main space (and I moved it there) is Christmas tree cultivation, which doesn't have a lot of Oregon specifics as it is a rather general article. Some of the production articles I am working on will be quite full of Oregon stuff. Just thought I would let you know. : ) Have a nice day! IvoShandor 19:30, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

(Re: Images--They have Christmas tree farms in Iowa?!? That doesn't seem right.) Cool, I'll take a look. If you need more images, let me know. I'm also curious if the phenomenon of abandoned tree farms is notable--they're pretty common. Katr67 19:42, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
I have done a narrow search on abandoned tree farms and have come up with little, if you find anything let me know. Pictures could always be used, the category in commons is linked from the article, Christmas tree farms, I believe it is. IvoShandor 21:03, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Meaning I plan on setting up a nifty gallery if we get enough photos from different places. I have placed a couple requests with WikiProjects but haven't heard anything yet. IvoShandor 21:04, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
I rode my bike by a couple--abandoned and otherwise--just the other day, this weekend I'll retrace my route with camera in hand... Katr67 21:14, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Did you see this discussion? It's a blog, but Russell Sadler is a reliable source, he used to be a commentator on the local news and the Eugene Register-Guard... The reply about tax breaks is interesting... Katr67 21:26, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I did see that actually, so you think it'll fly? About tree farms, we have quite a few in Illinois too. I was looking at some crop stats, Illinois is somewhere in the middle, about 500,000 trees cut per year or so. IvoShandor 21:32, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Actually, it's originally from High Country News [3], so there ya go. And here's Sadler's cred. Katr67 22:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Dear,Katr67

Thank you so much for telling me(I'm [[User:Mary divalerio)!!! I really apreiate it, especially, since I'm new to Wikipedia!!!--Mary divalerio 21:59, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

secret identity FYI

I'm sure you'll see my edit before I finish typing this, but I'm requesting to change my user name. It's not a big deal, but since many people know that Sprkee is my usual secret identity, it's just a little weird to have people find me based on my wikiedits... "hey, weren't you supposed to be working then?" --Sprkee 22:13, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Good luck! This message will self-destruct in 5 seconds... Katr67 22:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Maybe all the extra Peet's coffee I drank this week has put me over the edge... --Sprkee 22:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Penguins

Wow, that's freaky, that penguin sounds just like me! Maybe he needs a name change too. (BTW, I keep picturing Feathers McGraw in all these penguin discussions...). --Sprkee 23:16, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I do like a bit of gorgonzola... Obviously no one is working this afternoon. :) So did you realize that there's a whole Category:Fictional penguins ??? The mind reels. Katr67 23:23, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Friday afternoon, I'm just watching the ol' humanclock tick by...(love the nag-o-meter on that page.) --Sprkee 23:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Dear,Katr67

I would very much appreciate you taking me off the spammer list. My site is non-commercial. I sell nothing. I simply have a database of what to look for when identifying a first edition. I started the web site to inform people so they don't go and spend hundreds of dollars on something on eBay or other places for something they think is a first edition, when in fact it is not. The Deep End of the Ocean is one such book. I believe the information my site provides compliments the literary information, and that is the reason it placed links. The site is much like IMDB, it tells you details about the physical first edition book. But I am not selling the books I show on the site, I am simply giving people a way to identify a first edition. I ask that you kindly take my site off the list, It was never my intention to spam anyone, and if the community thinks that is what I am doing, then I promise to never enter another link --Tklein 8:42, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I just reported it. I'm not a spam expert. But the way I interpret the spam guidelines (for example, "don't add links to sites with which you are affiliated") your behavior is that of a spammer. Please bring this up on the WikiProject Spam talk page. Katr67 15:03, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.

Thanks for keeping an eye on my spelling and grammar. I was going to read it over later today, but you've already done the job! What do you think, is it anywhere near publishable? Thanks again! --Dirk Beetstra T C 16:53, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. I think it rocks. You've covered all the points thoroughly, and the solutions are reasonable and (hopefully) effective. I think it's publishable, but check with some of the dedicated spam fighters and possible some of the pro-library folks to be sure. Katr67 17:05, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
I am going to contact a couple of the WikiProjects (if I can find the appropriate ones).
Have you ever been invited (not that you need an invitaton ..) to join us on IRC, where we discuss these situations and others, and command the bots? We can be found on irc.freenode.net, channels #wikipedia-en-spam and #wikipedia-en-spam-t (and some channels around that). You'll need some software like e.g. Mirc or the chatzilla plugin for Firefox. Hope to see you around. --Dirk Beetstra T C 18:40, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Charbonneau footnotes

Hi: I see you added a no footnotes tag to Jean Baptiste Charbonneau. As the person who added the sources, I'm willing to add footnotes, but can you help me out with which sentences you want cited? Jlittlet 00:49, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

September WPOR Collaboration of the Week

First off, great job to all WikiProject Oregon folks for last week’s List of Oregon State Parks work. We pounded out six new state park articles: Sarah Helmick, Bald Peak, Bob Straub, Sumpter Valley Gold Dredge, Tumalo, and Peter Skene Ogden. Plus numerous other edits to improve the existing articles. As a reward, we are introducing the COTW award {{WPOR COTW award}}, and this time it goes to User:Woodstein52 for starting three of the articles.

On to this week. We are back to the usual two Top importance Stubs: Sunstone and Oregon, My Oregon. Both are stub pluses, so it shouldn’t take much to upgrade them both. Again to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts click here. Good day! Aboutmovies 22:33, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Moven' on up

Congratualtions, you are almost to the top 500 in edits! Aboutmovies 17:40, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Cool. I don't look at that page...much. Last I checked I was in the top 1000... P.S. I'll get around to Mr. McNary sometime today... Katr67 17:43, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Second opinion request

Cultural Practice -- I originally prod'ed it as unsourced OR. The article has since been expanded and references have been added, but it still still smells OR-ish. Whaddaya think? Thanks... --Finngall talk 20:48, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

I think its a legit subject for an article. It's mentioned though not linked at Cultural studies. A spin 'round The Google reveals quite a few mentions: [4] [5]. (Heh--you'll like this one.) I think a basic sociology textbook would back up most of it. I'd give her a chance to work on it then add whatever cleanup tags (and a page move) you deem necessary. Katr67 21:03, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Explanation

Dear Katr67,I belive you accused me of sock puppetry. Let me explain. Mary divaleriois my user name . Liddydivalrio is my little sisters username and my moms username is gigilili. since we all use the same computer, sometimes another username is already logged in when we start to do our homework.(the reason all of our accounts started at the same time was because school started)!!!! also the "commen intrest mail" was actully a prank on my little sister.Trust me, as you can tell from my spelling mistakes, (I'm sure I have quite a few)I 'm just a kid that uses "wikipedia " for homework. By the way our computer is having diffucultly editing the evidence page so I was wonndering if you could add this message to it--Mary Di Valerio 16:38, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Plagiarism?

Since plagiarism constitutes copying verbatim, attribution or not, public domain or not, I stand by it. Public domain means "no payment to publisher or writer required", not "I can reproduce this under any name I want". Maybe you ought to investigate the use of plagiarised material. Nobody eles on WP seems to give a damn, as far as I can tell. And POV? How about "ethical"? Or doesn't ethics enter into it? Trekphiler 19:18, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

It's not the template that bothers me, it's the plagiarism, & the only reason I'm removing the template is because it conceals (or appears to condone) the plagiarism. I'm concerned soembody who doesn't go to DANFS & cites a tagged page may get nailed for plagiarism, without ever knowing why. Trekphiler 21:33, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Spamstar of Glory

The Spamstar of Glory
Presented to Katr67 for ongoing work in keeping spam out of Wikipedia, especially the rainy part. --A. B. (talk) 20:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Online Northwest?

Katr67, I want to thank you for your discussion about Libraries making external links to their resources. As a professional librarian with interest in discussing this further among other librarians, I'm considering doing a presentation at Online Northwest in Corvallis, OR in early 2008. It would be a better presentation if I had someone more familiar with the Wikipedia view as part of the presentation. Would you be interested in contacting me directly to discuss a joint presentation at the conference? Richardaedwards 22:56, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Report at WP:AIV

Thank you for reporting User:Dreadfulwater to WP:AIV. However, none of this editor's edits appeared to be vandalism, or made in bad faith. I blocked the user for 24 hours for violating the three-revert rule, however. In the future, you can report 3RR violations to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RR. Cheers! --Ginkgo100talk 01:52, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for correcting my errors on List of People from Oregon. Mental note to self: Do not edit Wikipedia when tired and/or lacking time. Also thanks for your hard work and good attitude here. You have inspired me to want to do better.--DaKine 05:19, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome. :) I know you know to alphabetize but I didn't see you around anymore so I had to fix it. Katr67 15:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Attack of the horses

Saw this NRHP item, thought of you. Aboutmovies 07:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Excellent (well, too bad they're moving it), I'm clipping it out of the paper right now to circumvent O-vanish. I just learned the other day that there's a whole NRHP Oregon Historic Wooden Carousels "Theme Resource".
BTW, I'll be at the central Oregon Coast this weekend if anybody can think of stuff over there that needs pictures. Katr67 15:59, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Since you are offering, from the reqphoto: you might run across an Oregon spotted frog or Oregon Ash. Other places needing pics: Otter Rock, Oregon, Yachats State Recreation Area, Jessie M. Honeyman Memorial State Park, and even ye old Sea Lion Caves. If you're near them, otherwise take pictures of random people and use them for the state legislator pages, or convert them to B&W and we can use them for all the old dead guys/gals. Nobody will ever know. Aboutmovies 17:34, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, Oregon Ash has been on my mental to-do list for a while now. (I do have a pic of the big-ass Black Cottonwood at Willamette Mission State Park). Not sure I'd recognize an Oregon spotted frog. I'll be near Yachats, so I'll see if I can get somebody to stop the car. Hmm, my friends have a daguerreotype of themselves from when they did Civil War reenacting, I bet we could pass them off as somebody. ;) Who knew knowing several bearded men would come in handy someday... Katr67 17:46, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Damn Parkers

OK, apparently there are two Parkers in Oregon history. Samuel Parker (missionary) who was here 1835-6, and then the politician one Samuel Parker (Oregon politician) who was here 1845 till death in 1886. My guess is the later is the one with the Liberty ship and name on the Capitol wall, but I though you might check your reference to determine for sure before correcting the link from your sandbox. Stupid dead guys. Aboutmovies 00:17, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

The one in my sandbox is the missionary, according to the book, and the article covers just about everything that is said in there. Not sure about the L-ship--sources are spotty on where they got the names for those, but I bet in a pinch they just picked names from the wall... Katr67 18:08, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
That's sad. Reinforces my belief that they didn't do a great job picking names. Parker the missionary was here for maybe six months, and its doubtful he actually chose the location for the Whitman mission as Marcus apparently left before Parker got back. Oh well, its all history. Aboutmovies 18:56, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

FYI

I've suggested a rename of the Gray Sails the Columbia River article here. VanTucky Talk 02:55, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

WPOR Collaboration: 09172007

All righty WPOR ladies and gentleman, great job last week with our state song and gemstone. I have bumped them up to Start class. I haven’t looked at the contributions, so the COTW award will be later. This week’s articles are Darlene Hooley, by special request, and another Top stub, our very own state rock, the Thunderegg. Yes, apparently we have a state rock and state gemstone. No word on whether there is a state stone too. Hooley basically needs some sources to make it to the next level. Again to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts click here. In the words of Beaver Joe, whoop! Aboutmovies 18:05, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Erastus Otis Haven

I have no idea why this guy is buried in Salem, but he has now "lived" here longer than any other place, should we tag him for WPOR? And with Beers, the source says 1800, but also that info before he came to Oregon is scarce. So I'm guessing the wife got the headstone made and hopefully she knew the correct year. Aboutmovies 03:13, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Jeff Ball

Thanks for catching that. Smmurphy(Talk) 15:32, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Katr67 15:33, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Douglas-fir et al

Note: please take any continued discussion about this topic to the relevant article's talk page or to WP:PLANTS, where other people can see it, thanks.

Did you check with anyone before redirecting all those or was it a unilateral decision? I'm all for being BOLD, but I have a feeling there's a consensus that the articles have a hyphen. Katr67 22:35, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi- No, I didn't check with anyone. Though I know that the term does not take a hyphen, I double-checked in a dictionary just to be sure. I don't know if there was consensus on using the hyphen, but I wouldn't consider consensus as a justification for WP to invent a new spelling for a well-established term. Would WP etiquette call for me to have contacted editors as a courtesy even though I was certain about the correction? -Eric (talk) 23:41, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
The dictionary has no hyphen, but the half dozen botany texts and field guides I have on hand do. We generally go with what the experts in any given field say. The botany-related articles are overseen by experts on botany and natural history and are well-established. So I wouldn't consider this "inventing a new spelling". I'm sure you did the changes in good faith, but it should be pointed out that it's a bad idea to presume that dozens of editors have failed to notice over the five years the Douglas-fir article, for example, (which has an important role in the economy and ecosystem of a major portion of the U.S. and Canada) has existed that it's been misspelled this whole time. So yes, you should have asked on the talk page, this is considered a major change--are you planning to correct all the redirects you've created? (See "What links here") Anyway, I won't revert your changes, but I'm pretty sure someone else will. You might check in with WikiProject Plants and Wikipedia:Naming conventions next time you think something this major is spelled wrong. Katr67 00:10, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Well, I am truly surprised that there are texts that use the hyphen. If I had edited those, I would have nixed the hyphen there as well. At work I'm surrounded by publications loaded with English mistakes ("impact" being used in place of "affect," nouns capitalized at random, words like "incentivize," etc.) so I'm used to the feeling of having hundreds of co-workers not notice mistakes that jump out at me. Yes, I did make the changes in good faith. I'll never look at "Douglas-fir" and think that it looks right, but neither would I crusade against pro-hyphen editors invested in the articles. If it is not too obnoxious and lazy of me, I'd rather leave the pages and see what happens. I really believe that the hyphen doesn't belong there--texts and guides notwithstanding--and it would go against my grain to help a reference source reflect what I consider a popular use of incorrect English. It was a bit of work to remove the hyphens; they can be restored easily if someone wants to undo the edits.
One technical question on that: do you know if hitting 'undo' next to a move edit on a page history will undo the redirect page as well?
Another technical question: none of the changes I made to the fir pages show up on my watchlist, though I have them marked to watch--have you ever seen that?
On another topic, I like that little fromage box--did you make that or find it? -Eric (talk) 01:04, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

It's not incorrect English. What I'm saying is that the half-dozen works I checked were written by professionals in the field of botany. The real answer is that botanical nomenclature changes faster than Webster's dictionary. For botanists, the hyphenated version is correct and we should defer to them. Feel free to leave it and see what happens. I've contacted User:MPF about the page moves, as we've had a few discussions about nomenclature, so I'm sure s/he will check it out. I feel your pain, however. I work for an agency that misuses the word "everyday" in its slogan, when what they really mean to say is "every day". It's printed at the bottom of all the letterhead and is prominently displayed on the webpage. *sigh*

I believe I haven't had success using the "undo" button on a page move and that they have to be moved back using the "move" feature (unless it's so mucked up that you need an admin to do the move).

I think sometimes you end up watching the redirect page instead of the page the article was moved to.

Thanks for the note! For more examples, both the USDA and US Forest Service hyphenate Douglas-fir, for the important reason that it is not a fir (Abies). I've moved them back - MPF 09:35, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
Hi- Well, as for dictionaries keeping up with usage changes, I think the AHD updates pretty frequently, and I doubt you'll see them using those hyphens anytime soon. Anyway, I left MPF a note about all that.

More on Douglas-fir

Note: please take any continued discussion about this topic to the relevant article's talk page or to WP:PLANTS, where other people can see it, thanks.

I'd like to weigh in as a botanical editor, who is also a botanist by profession, who has not "failed to notice" these hyphens and hates them. No, there is not a consensus in the botanical community to hyphenate common names like "poison-ivy" or "douglas-fir"; for every example of a field guide that does this, I could provide a counter-example that doesn't. In fact this rather strained construction is certainly the exception rather than the rule when you take into account all the sources that refer to these species by their common name, and as already noted, most visitors to Wikipedia will find it quite odd. I have noted numerous such names and have generally left them as is without making a fuss, primarily because I know that certain vociferous editors have demanded that they stay this way and attempting to change them will be useless as they will be immediately reverted (as has already been done in this case). But don't make the mistake of assuming there's a consensus simply because nobody has argued with it; sometimes it's just easier for those of us who disagree to accept things as the way they are, whether we like them or not. MrDarwin 13:54, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, I went there and found that, interestingly enough, neither of the relevant project pages--neither Wikipedia:WikiProject Plants nor Wikipedia:Naming conventions (flora)--says anything about hyphenation of common names. So is there truly a consensus? MrDarwin 14:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
I don't make policy, I just follow it. Please don't try to sway my opinion, I don't really have one. If I did I would have done the reverts myself. Take it up with the botany experts please, I'm not interested in debating about this. If the hyphen goes away, life will go on. I just had a problem with what seemed liked a unilateral decision. I hope y'all find a good solution. Cheers. Katr67 18:34, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Fall WPOR COTW

Welcome to autmun and the weekly COTW news. Great job to those who helped out with last week’s articles: Darlene Hooley & Thunderegg. Both made great improvements. This week, something a little different. With fall upon us, the photo ops are going to be harder to get, so we have a photo request fulfillment drive. Take a look at the requested pictures for Oregon category or the graphics subproject for what’s needed. Then go take a picture, or search online for a free picture to upload (US gov sites are great and there are links available from the above links). If you fill a request, be sure to remove the request template from the article’s talk page. Our other item is another red link removal drive, this time on the flagship Oregon article. Like the state parks red link drive, try to coordinate on the talk page. Again to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts click here. Aboutmovies 01:54, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Nofootnotes/unref

Thanks, Katr67, a bug. Now have definitive lists for unreferenced, refimprove and fact. Reports like this are a spur to re-factoring and improving my bot. Rich Farmbrough, 09:11 24 September 2007 (GMT).

RE: Wikilinki Dates (Willamette Industries)

Hola! Thanks for the copy-edit, but:

"There is consensus among editors that month and day names should not be linked unless there is a specific reason that the link will help the reader to understand the article."

REF: Wikipedia:Only make links that are relevant to the context#Dates

I only think important dates should be linked. Dates of birth and death, elections, disasters, dates of founding, merger completion, battles, book, album, movie, release, etc. What do you think?

And, by reading that and this: Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Dates, I learned about the comma not being necessary. I notice that you knew that one already. That'll save a keystroke! Thanks again...WikiDon 17:17, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Please read more carefully. Month and day names: e.g. September, Monday. (And there is also debate about linking single years, which I tend not to do, ever.) Then read further:
"Dates when they contain a day, month, and year — 25 March 2004 — or day and month — February 10 — should be linked for date preference formatting." (emphasis mine)
In a nutshell: if someone has his/her user date prefs enabled, the wikilinking of say, [[September 25]] [[2007]] thus: September 25, 2007, allows the user to see the dates in the manner in which s/he is accustomed. In Europe, for example, I believe that would be 25 September, 2007.
If you still have questions, let me know. If I accidentally linked a single month or day name, feel free to change it. Katr67 17:28, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Superscrirpt

You said: "no superscripts per WP:MOS"

But, I can't find it in there. Is it somewhere else? WikiDon 17:39, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

It's in the section you linked to above:
Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Dates
Dates
  • Wikipedia does not use ordinal suffixes or articles, or put a comma between month and year.
Incorrect: June 25th, 25th June, the 25th of June
Correct: 14 February, February 14
Incorrect: October, 1976
Correct: October 1976
I should have said "No suffixes" but the result is the same. I hope that helps, Katr67 17:45, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Kesey

...was your commencement speaker? That's pretty cool. And I think it belongs in his wiki article, right at the end of the "Later Life" section. "To keep up his strength while addressing apathetic teens, Kesey was forced to eat stale sweaty jelly beans out of his hat." --Esprqii 17:16, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

I think they were wrapped. And they were all purple--our principal had a thing about our school color. But no, not mine. I don't remember who ours was. My graduation sucked... This was a class or two after mine. Our school's graduation is at the Hult Center, which venue I have opinions about, but anyway in this dignified setting we brought noise makers and confetti and bubbles to cheer on our friends. While the aformentioned vice principal gave us death glares, Kesey beamed at us approvingly. And a good time was had by all. Katr67 17:24, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Two links for ya: http://blog.glennf.com/mtarchives/003446.html and http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/pacificnw/2004/0530/cover.html. --Esprqii 17:41, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
Ah yes, I seem to recall they were not only purple, but had mirrors on them... Hang on. I'll send ya an e-mail. Katr67 17:42, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Reply

Please inform me which user you are refering to? If i did, it was not on puprose as i am aware of that rule. thank you! Tiptoety 18:38, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, since I posted it under Burnsauce's comment to you, I'm referring to Burntsauce's reactions to this here and to your smiley here. He does have 6200 edits and has been here 6 months. Yes, he's being a mite uncivil, but it's probably a good idea to let the matter drop. Katr67 18:47, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

AfD Nomination of Summit High School (Bend, Oregon)

Summit High School (Bend, Oregon) has been nominated as a possible Article for Deletion. The reason is that an editor believes that the subject of the article is not notable and/or the article does not assert its importance. We welcome your input on the articles AfD page, which you can get to by clicking Here!. Thank You. - Rjd0060 23:55, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Lake oswego junior high

A {{prod}} template has been added to the article Lake oswego junior high, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but this article may not satisfy Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and the deletion notice explains why (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and Wikipedia's deletion policy). You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the {{dated prod}} notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Articles for Deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. If you endorse deletion of the article, and you are the only person who has made substantial edits to the page, please tag it with {{db-author}}. ~Eliz81(C) 07:38, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Bend High Article

Thanks for the message. I saw your changes and I didn't realize the pranks were moved to the talk page. I set Twinkle to watch the reverts to Bend High, and I changed them back without carefully examining it. Please accept my apologies about that. There used to be a lot of vandalism on the page, especially from rival schools, such as Mountain View High School, and Summit High School. I know you have a lot of edits and are a contributer to Oregon articles, but rather than just moving or deleting sections on articles, please consider discussing the content in Bend High's Talk Page about why you feel need to move it instead of just moving it. I was at that Sadie Hawkins dance, and we were the class that had our school make national news for that. It took us three years to find the source to the Sadie Hawkins Incident and many people felt the need to just delete it. Thanks for the message, and thanks for not only being a contributer to Oregon articles, but for protecting and keeping an open mind about what is published. Even though they are just a list of pranks or just an incident about a dance, those were good times and it means a lot to not only me, but thousands of other kids that go to that school. I'll keep the pranks in the talk section until sources are found. BeanoJosh 07:50, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I simply removed it before, this last time I moved it so you would stop reverting. I already discussed it--it's unsourced (original research?) and unencyclopedic--the relevant policies are linked on the talk page. If I didn't remove it, someone else would. The dance incident is notable--it made national news--you'll note I didn't delete that. But that is the level of notability we're talking about here. Please read up on those policies, especially if you want to become an admin. Katr67 14:17, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

wikipedia templates

Maybe you can help me out. I can't find a page that lists good wikipedia templates to put on my profile. I'm just getting it started but I see a lot of people have templates that say "USERNAME enjoys videogames", etc. Where can you find those? Thanks. BeanoJosh 07:52, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

You mean userboxes? Try this: Wikipedia:Userboxes. 14:19, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Cave Junction, Oregon

I'm continuing to add info and refs to the CJ page, and I have a question and you seem to be the person to ask. I'm finding a good amount of info, and a lot of it's from good sources like the New York Times and Seattle Times, but it's mostly about visiting Cave Junction. I know wikipedia isn't supposed to be a travel guide, so I would like suggestions on two things. 1. How do I write about points of interest and keep it neutral (Maybe we have manual of style pages or something that will help)? 2. Are there any standard resources that you could point me to that info on Oregon cities? Thanks, Peregrine Fisher 23:39, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I can't think of any guidelines to point you to at the moment, but I'm sure you know not to use peacock terms (e.g. "CJ has the best golf courses east of Bandon" or some such). Points of interest (especially if listed in NYT) are fine; it's an inventory of supermarkets, starbucks and skateboard parks, along with street directions, that we don't want. (Oh and probably anything about the climate that's not dry and factual--I bet NYT mentions stuff like that.) Just use your good judgment. Think Encyclopædia Britannica, and only slightly less uptight. The kind of stuff I've taken out of articles are lists of restaurants (especially those with recommendations), lists of places to shop, anything written in the 2nd person, etc. Anything that smacks of "showcasing our beautiful city" isn't going to be encyclopedic. Here's my favorite example of what not to do. Not sure why I was meddling in California that day, but there ya go... Oh and check out what links there for more ideas about what to add. A list of radio stations perhaps? Is that brewery actually notable? I see there's loads of registered historic places in the area too. Historic ditches? How is that possible? Katr67 01:57, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Here's another example of what not to do. Basically, we're not here to help people plan their vacations. Katr67 02:02, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Do notable residents have to currently live in Cave Junction, or can they just be from there? - Peregrine Fisher 05:18, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
I personally think born, used to live or currently lives in are all fair game, and the association with the place has to be mentioned in his/her article. There is some disagreement about this around the wiki, but as far as WPORE goes, we tend to be inclusive if the association is significant, i.e. they didn't stop there once and buy gas. Katr67 05:26, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Cool, I think I can find a few that meet that criteria. It's good to here that WPORE is inclusive. - Peregrine Fisher 05:31, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

List of artists and art institutions in Portland, Oregon

whoops sorry I didnt know I should create articles for the nationally noted people first before adding to the "List of artists and art institutions in Portland, Oregon" page... it really is pathetic as a page at the moment and it should be updated. I'm new to this so forgive my lack of protool. thanks -Gugnir PDX —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gungnir PDX (talk • contribs) 00:21, 28 September 2007 (UTC)


New Article

I am happy to announce i have created another article relating to Oregon, but it is far from being complete, and i would love your help and comments on making it better. The article is Portland Police Bureau. Thank you, Tiptoety 18:32, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

http://www.cavejunctionoregon.com/

Is the IV chamber of commerce considered a reliable source? - Peregrine Fisher 23:18, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd say it's borderline. The purpose of a CoC is to promote, after all. I would use it as a citation if I couldn't find the same info in a newspaper, book or magazine. (Because supposedly reporters have copy editors who make them check their facts.) Certainly a CoC would attempt to be professional and has no reason to make stuff up, but the tendency towards hyperbole should be watched. I think they tend to team up with the local historical society for the history stuff, so if the history isn't elsewhere, using a CoC should be fine. For the local attractions stuff, I'd check traveloregon.com for similar info, though--same purpose, more cred. Katr67 23:31, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
OK. I just want to use for historical info, and I can't find it anywhere else. - Peregrine Fisher 23:38, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Lake Creek vs Lakecreek

Hi! I got a very nice letter from the government today. I am so excited I have to frame it! It points me to here: http://geonames.usgs.gov/pls/gnispublic/f?p=gnispq:3:::NO::P3_FID:1144788 . This Lake Creek thing has been a good experience for me, and scored me an A in two different classes. The whole thing went over quite well. Thank you for the direction. Zab 00:15, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: List of colleges and universities in Oregon

Thanks.. I've never even been to Oregon, I've just taken an interest in improving the state-by-state college lists. This is the second one I've done after Vermont. Toohool 00:44, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar! :) Toohool 03:26, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Interstate 5 in Oregon

Please see Wikipedia:Redirect#Do not change links to redirects that are not broken. Some of the topics are capable of having separate articles; North Roseburg in fact does. In other places, you changed the community name, which is on signs, to the road name, which is not. --NE2 09:38, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

The actual text in the article was fixed in my edits. --NE2 15:56, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi

Just in case you were wondering, I am part of the WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America and thought it would have been a good idea to randomly select a few users from there for a third party participation. So, you were one of the editors I randomly selected that was listed on that WikiProject page. Please accept my humble appologies about this. I hope there are no hard feelings. Kind regards. Wiki Raja 22:27, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I accept your apology. Please don't ever try secret canvassing again, and remember that removing friendly reminders from your user page can be construed as vandalism (and calling such friendly reminders vandalism is just a really bad idea and isn't going to gain you any friends). It's good to be passionate, just don't break the rules when doing so. Katr67 22:32, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
No problem. The reason I have been taking off these comments is that in the past I have had a lot of other users post blatant warnings on my page for no reason. And often times harassing ones. Thus, I have posted on the top of my talk page that I reserve the right to remove comments I deem offensive. Regards. Wiki Raja 23:30, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Follow up

Just wanted to thank you for your discussion with me, as well as the others involved with Bend High School's Wiki Page. No hard feelings with the unsourced materials, the revisions, or the kids. I'm trying to get into reverting unencyclopedic and irrelevant materials, other than vandalism. Feel free to message me anytime in my Talk page with whatever you need. I might be interested in joining Wikiproject: Oregon. It just depends on my hours at work, and my school work. Thanks again. Happy wiki'ing! BeanoJosh 07:24, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Week 1 October WP:ORE COTW

I know everyone has been waiting anxiously for this week’s COTW, so here they are: Barlow Road and Columbia River Plateau. Both are almost Start class, just some formatting and referencing, plus a little expansion and they will be there!

As to last week, it is difficult to track the items we were working on, but I know some pictures were added and at least three red links were removed from Oregon, so thank you to all those who participated. The award winner will be GoodDamon for their creation of the Oregon Forest Resources Institute article. We have now worked through all the Top class stubs and are into the High class stubs. Again to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts click here. Happy editing, and remember if you see a downed power line, don’t pick it up. Aboutmovies 20:15, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

RE:"Spamming" talk pages

oops, sorry, lesson learned, I did add it to the list on WP:ORE prior to putting a message on a few users talk page. I will not do the same next time. Thank you, Tiptoety 03:17, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Nestling

Ooh, I always had a hunch the Columbia River Plateau was nestled into the Columbia Basin. But it looks like some kind of double-nestling…the Basin is nestled in the Plateau, is nestled into the Basin! Awesome! I'm gonna go updated those articles! ;) -Pete 05:33, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

still cranky?

Where do I go to sign up for your online wikipedia tutorial? --Esprqii 23:22, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Novick

Hey'der Kay-der,

I did some work on the Steve Novick article, but I'm not sure if it was enough to warrant the removal of the advert banner. That removal was done by one of the people puffing him up. You might consider putting it back up, if you think the article still needs work. Your call of course, just FYI. -Pete 21:30, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the work and the heads up. Katr67 21:32, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Silver Lake (Oregon)

Nice save! I knew that there must be a "Silver Lake" somewhere in Oregon, but didn't have the means to improve it, and the creator didn't give us much to work with. Acroterion (talk) 22:00, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Idaho

Thanks. I try to tag articles as I see them. Don't worry about offending me, I would let you know. Again, thanks. --Robbie Giles 15:03, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

WPOR CoTW: Don Schollander & Conde McCullough

Greetings WPOR world. Last week was great with the Barlow Road seeing lots of improvement, maybe even B class. Columbia River Plateau also saw some improvement, maybe enough to bump it to Start. On with the countdown, another two Stubs in the High category, both happen to be people: Don Schollander a multi-gold medalist; and then world-renowned bridge architect and all-around swell guy Conde McCullough. Schollander needs sources more than anything, and McCullough needs more of a bio, plus maybe a nice chart for the bridges with type/year/location/length. Again to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts click here. This week’s safety tip, stranger=danger. Aboutmovies 18:05, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

On vandalism warnings and editing other's comments

Regarding your editing of my comments at User talk:209.91.51.141:

  • When posting warnings you do not have to go up one level at a time. WP:VANDAL notes, "if you are confident that a user is aware of the disruption he is causing, you may start with a stronger warning".
  • Do not edit other people's comments. WP:VANDAL also points out that another kind of vandalism is "Editing other users' comments to substantially change their meaning". This is what you did by changing my warning and leaving my name attached to it. See also Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#Editing comments.

Thank you. -- HiEv 22:39, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Linfield College

Hello Katr67. A while ago you removed a chunk of information about Greek societies, clubs, majors, and club sports becuase they weren't encyclopedic. I was wondering how one writes them to be sufficiently encyclopedic, or if they should be left out altogether. Note most colleges have a greek section at least. I will rewrite the greek section to be a paragraph with more information, but if you have anymore suggestions or reasoning for not having the other sections, please tell. Thanks a ton! —Preceding unsigned comment added by DerRichter (talk • contribs) 09:09, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for asking. First of all, read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS--what other articles have in them should have little or no bearing on what this article has in it. (However, read on...) According to the guidelines at WikiProject Schools (which is about primary and secondary schools, but still has some bearing here), these are the sorts of things school articles should not have in them. Wikipedia is not a directory, and long lists (or huge blocks of text) of majors, etc. do not belong in articles. The Greek paragraph looks better now, but it would be better to add some history as well. Note that many articles about colleges don't list the Greek houses by name at all. Basically you want to have paragraphs that give an overview of each section of the article, not just a list. As for how to make the other sections more encyclopedic, that's tough, because if you do what I would recommend, which would be to highlight some of the more unusual or prestigious programs at the school, you can be sure everyone else will want to add his or her major to the list. I'd leave club sports out all together. Check out WikiProject Universities for more suggestions, especially the part about the structure of articles. Check out some featured articles about colleges and universities. (disclaimer: the content I'm referring to may or may not have been in the article when it was given featured status) You can see some of the larger colleges have a separate list of Greek houses, which would be silly to do for Linfield, others simply say there are X number of frats and X number of sororities. They all give a bit of overview and history of the Greek programs at those schools. Any encyclopedia article should have well-cited information from reliable sources, and a good one about a college should have information that goes beyond (and is sourced from other than) what one can find by surfing the college's website. (without the language coming across as boostering or promoting the school) I hope that helps! Katr67 13:58, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Disappearing geolinks

Aggh. What a horrible mess. I think we should weigh in (again) at the Coordinates WikiProject. You can post a message to the whole community at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Style issues (if this counts as a style issue) or Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Policies (if this is a policy). Another WikiProject who may care is Wikipedia:WikiProject Cities (who explicitly call for a Geolinks in their U.S. Cities guidelines). hike395 02:15, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Have you given up? There seems to be a deadlock in the discussion. hike395 20:04, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Actually just this morning I thinking of adding a comment along the lines of: "Um, guys? Can't we flippin' do something about this already?" I really don't get why it's such a big deal to restore the old version while we discuss the thing. *sigh* Katr67 23:04, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: Howard W. Robertson

I'm not sure where I can help with this article: activity on this article has appeared to have stalled. However, from his publications history, I'd say he just passes the bar for notability -- being published by a univeristy press IMHO tips the scale. But, as you said on the talk page, the article is a mess. -- llywrch 05:28, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, I don't mind weighing in with my opinion; sometimes I like to hear myself talk. ;) More to the point, I am concerned by his response to Aboutmovies "You are not the community" -- an attitude like that either gets changed or gets the person with it shown to the door. I'd rather see him change the 'tude. -- llywrch 15:34, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Help please

Hey, i guess Image:Ep1002oregonstatepolice.jpg does not have a fair use rational. I am not sure how to properly create a fair use rational for this image. Would you mind helping me out? Tiptoety 22:14, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm crap at copyright stuff, but I can take a look. You might ask Aboutmovies too. Katr67 22:26, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
OK, it looks like it should be OK to use if it's actually used in an article--"fair use" doesn't extend to it sitting around waiting for someone to use it for something. You may wish to make a simple statement about which article you're going to use it in and why that use is fair use. However I don't think you can put the GNU license on it as it's not yours to license. Katr67 22:30, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
OK, thanks, i will ask Aboutmovies. thanks again. Tiptoety 23:22, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Removal of Content

post copied to Talk:Great Cats World Park

Hello,

I have a concern about an article I found on Wikipedia regarding my company Great Cats World Park. I was wondering what I need to do to have the article US Fish and Wildlife Service probation removed.

The articles referenced are from The Daily Triplicate. I would also like to know if the newspaper gave permission to post these articles or if they were posted illegally.

My reasons for having the articles removed are because they are biased and reflect a negative image of my company. Under court order I was not allowed to tell my side of the story about the fine and the facts of the case are much different than what was written in the newspaper article.

Any help you can give me on this matter would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

Craig Wagner Director Great Cats World Park http://www.greatcatsworldpark.com info@greatcatsworldpark.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.32.168.35 (talk) 21:42, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for contacting me. I'm posting this to the article's talk page for further discussion. Katr67 21:58, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

WP:NC(S) input

Hello, as you might have noticed I have brought up a new proposal for a guideline on school naming conventions. However, there has been very little input for it to go anywhere. I remember you were involved in the last proposal, so I would appreciate your input once again at WT:NC(S) if possible. Thanks. Camaron1 | Chris 11:44, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

WikiOregon COTW

Greetings once again WikiProject Oregon members. Thank you to those who help out with improving Conde McCullough and Don Schollander last week. This week is a Stub break, with a Ref improvement drive for Oregon and a request for work on Portland Police Bureau. For the ref improvement, this means sourcing tagged statements and standardizing all existing citations, both of which are needed for GA and FA status. Again to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts click here. Aboutmovies 18:07, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

The Tower Theatre (Bend, Oregon)

Hi There,

I have tried it again. Please have a look and let me know if this is a better start. I will keep working on the article, this is my first "major" article, so I appreciate your patience ;-) Nostrada 07:03, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

no pressure or anything

Many moons ago, we ran into each other on my first and only attempt to offer feedback at Editor review. I just wandered onto that page again, which prompted me to see if you were still around. Would you care to revisit your response to the second to last question on your FAQ? - BanyanTree 08:50, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

By which I mean: want a nom? - BanyanTree 05:59, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Nope, thanks for asking, I'm glad to think I'd make the cut though. Scientizzle has a nom all written up for me if I decide to do it, and a couple other people have also expressed interest (hence the note in my FAQ). I've got myself on incivility notice, however, which I recently had to reset, and don't plan to ask for a nom until I think I have a clean slate. I don't relish having every stupid thing I've done brought up to the light--I've seen some of those Rfas--they can be brutal. I'd rather quietly do my thing in my little corner of the wiki. I'll be sure to let you know if I change my mind though, thanks again! Katr67 13:39, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, at least you have a accurate sense of RFA.  ;) I'll wait to see you pop up there. Cheers, BanyanTree 22:28, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Port of Longview

Hello Katr67, thank you for your suggestions. Yes, I am associated with the Port of Longview. I have attempted to edit the article to make it as neutral-point-of-view as possible. Please let me know if you have additional suggestions or even specific instructions on how to do things. I am new to Wikipedia and am learning as I go. The trouble is that there are not very many sources within Wikipedia that I can reference. I also do not understand the signature concept. Your assistance is appreciated. Sincerely, longviewport. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Longviewport (talk • contribs) 23:13, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Manifest Destiny

Hello Katr67. I noticed your "unearthing" of extensive deletions from this article last year. It seems to me that the other material which was deleted (in addition to the part you restored) was in fact sourced, and should be returned to this article. There is a multiplicity of sources cited and the edit summary which accompanied the deletions did not indicate what parts were in question. I am prepared to restore the former text, as you did with the one paragraph. What do you think?

There is a large amount of vandalism on this page during the school year. I succeeded in getting it semi-protected last spring; we may have to resort to that again. It is good that someone else is watching it. Regards, Kablammo 22:29, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Avery Dennison

Hi Katr67! I had added one of Avery Dennison's websites, www.printandmailcenter.com, to the Avery Dennison entry. Avery Print and Mail Center is the direct mail marketing group of Avery Dennison Office Products and would like to included in the Avery Dennison properties, would it be better to have an entry created for the company itself or, since I'm directly involved (they've been a client for 8 years) have someone else edit the entry? Thanks so much for your guidance. I'll be participating in one of the wikipedia projects to become better educated about site guidelines. Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisawilliams40 (talk • contribs) 12:15, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Camp Pioneer

I noticed you'd contested the prod for Camp Pioneer - the article is now up at AfD, so thought you may wish to drop by and explain your reasoning. Thanks. Hersfold (t/a/c) 19:21, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Western States Chiropractic College entry

I re-entered the changes I had made earlier. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Toddloggan (talk • contribs) 21:46, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Why are you telling me this? What is your reasoning? It's a copyright violation, which is against Wikipedia policy. The material needs to be paraphrased. If it isn't a copyvio please discuss it on the article's talk page. Katr67 21:49, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Roland Smith

Well, shoot, I know he's fairly notable...I trip over his books every morning. But his website lists so gosh-darn many piddly awards I can't sift through them all right now. --Esprqii 22:44, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

If you unspeedy him, I'll try to put in a little more on him. I haven't done an author before (that is, I haven't written an article about one...oh never mind) so I'm not sure what a bare minimum article would look like. Seen any short-n-sweet articles I can emulate? --Esprqii 22:50, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Cool, thanks. --Esprqii 23:07, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Collaboration of the Week

Howdy doody ya’ll WPOR poke, time for more COTW. Thanks for the work on Portland Police Bureau and improving the references at Oregon. This week we are back to Stubs with Eastern Oregon and Fort Vancouver National Historic Site. Both need just a little TLC to make it to Start. Again to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts click here. Aboutmovies 01:49, 23 October 2007 (UTC)


the one-woman J-Gil protection squad

Hey, good work on getting those images tagged. Sorry I didn't get to it quicker to share the load…I'll keep an eye out for new ones though. -Pete 22:55, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

My bad. Osława Dąbrowa (PKP station)

Sorry for not fixing it right away, i was in a rush and did not have time to cite the ref in the text, so i just added the tag. My bad. Tiptoety 04:44, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Image from sager orphans

Hi, thanks for informing me about the problem with the fair-use rationale of the image. I added a fair-use rationale as good as I could. I hope this will do it. Greetings from Europe Martin1971 18:35, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

BNSF&ATSF

Why have you deleted WikiProject Oregon from the BNSF & ATSF pages? Amreatsf4620 01:39, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't think national entities are part of our scope. It's kind of like listing every state that has a Burger King. Some of those train articles are going to end up in all 50 state's WikiProjects, which is, IMHO, ridiculous. I plan to list the ones I opted out of on our project's page to make sure everyone agrees with me, don't worry, it won't be a unilateral decision. Why do you care? Katr67 01:42, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Why shouldn't I? I was just watching the pages for vandls and whanted to know why you deleted the project. Amreatsf4620 01:49, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Nope, not a vandal. :) Katr67 02:28, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for cleaning up my new articles...I'm just not good at catsorting and whatnot, so I'm glad others will pick up my slack. Cheers, — Scientizzle 22:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome! Thanks for starting the articles. I'm glad you appreciate it--sometimes in my zeal I forget someone might still be working on the article. Now we just need a better pic of the 511 Building. The one I found doesn't do it justice. I think I'll drop a couple people a note--I guess it will be a good weekend for photography. Latr, Katr67 22:09, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

What to do about geolinks?

I would put a {{editprotected}} on the Talk page of the templates, and try to convince an admin that we need to revert to prevent empty EL section, and we are actively discussing what to do next. I would do this, but I'm spending very little time on WP nowadays. hike395 18:18, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!

Gabriel Park is the first page I made from scratch, feel free to clean it up. Thank you for your invitation, I will join WikiProject Oregon and start contributing ASAP! -Merzperson —Preceding comment was added at 05:07, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

SPAM ala COTW

Ladies and Gentlemen its time for another episode of Collaboration of the Week. Last week’s show starring Fort Vancouver National Historic Site & Eastern Oregon received high ratings. This week’s show star two more stubs, Johnny Kitzmiller & John Wesley Davis. As always, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Don’t delay, act today! Aboutmovies 18:18, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Mike Richardson (publisher)

Thanks for the heads-up. It seems awfully unnecessary. You seem to have this all well in hand but I will drop a note over to the comics project for people to keep an eye on it (and offer a third party perspective on this). (Emperor 17:15, 30 October 2007 (UTC))

Autzen

I know it's not the COTW but for some reason, I've been into fixing this one. Maybe because it was in such bad shape before. Anyway, I removed your fact tags about the "unique acoustics" because I'm pretty sure that's unverifiable, and the other one because it's verifiable that the stadium is e/w by looking at a map and that doesn't need a citation, does it? But then I realized maybe you were challenging the conventional wisdom about N/S stadiums. Do you think that needs a citation? --Esprqii 19:32, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, *thank you* for de-tucking it. Blech. It is somewhat unusual to have an E-W orientation. A common football expression exhorts runners to go "north-south", i.e., gain yardage, not run around from side-to-side, i.e., east-west; see http://www.google.com/search?&q=%22run+north-south%22++football&. And...heh, the first entry, http://archives.stupidquestion.net/sq92498football.html, pretty much kills that theory anyway. So I think I'll keep the note in there about it being *somewhat* unusual, but remove the other stadia that have the same orientation. Heck, if 40% of the Pac-10 stadia are E-W, what's the point?? Meanwhile, I'll keep my NPOV platypus eyes on the page for a while. --Esprqii 23:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
You betcha, *somebody* around here has to maintain NPOV. I like the Civil War article idea, and of course, we should schedule it for that week. If we really wanted to tie it into CW week, we could even see which side can do the best job on the remaining football Oregon Sports Hall of Famers--there is about an equal number. We can make a special platypus barnstar.... --Esprqii 00:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Anna Song

You got the {{db-move}} template magic correct. The temporary "backwards" redirect was my fault. :) Resurgent insurgent (as admin) 04:03, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Rocky Mountain Floristic Province

Hi! The title now is misleading. Could you please move it back? It is not about the floristic province, it is about the floristic region, as evident from the text and the sources, which includes two floristic provinces (Rocky Mountain and Vancouverian). The RMFP exists, but it is a subdivision of the region and we have no article about it. Colchicum 13:09, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry! I wasn't paying attention. I thought "Rocky Mountain Region" sounded vague, then I thought that there was some sort of inconsistency with the article names, because "Floristic Region" redirects to "Floristic Province". Also all the region/province/kingdom articles were under Category:Floristic provinces, which also led me to think there was naming inconsistency going on. I should have investigated further. I can't move it back, I'm not an admin. I'm requesting a housekeeping speedy page move back to Rocky Mountain Region. If that's incorrect, (I'm thinking it makes more sense to have it at Rocky Mountain Floristic Region?) let the admin who moves it know. In the future though, I think all the regions/provinces/kingdoms in that category ought to have "floristic" in their names for clarity, and some sub categories for kingdom and region set up. Sorry again, thanks for letting me know. Katr67 14:15, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Crumpackage

Oh, you just knew that would draw me into your little NRHP circle, didn't you?!?!? OK, I should be able to visit that one and take some snaps, it's actually pretty close. That could give us a start on W. H. Pipes too. --Esprqii 17:26, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Bwahahahaha! Come...come...do not be afraaaaaaid... It's just one small step from old dead guys to old dead houses, doncha know. Old Dead Guys--The Gateway Drug. Katr67 17:29, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I just hope there's a large body of water that I can throw myself into in case my friends start conspiring to have me murdered. --Esprqii 17:33, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
<shifty eyes> BTW, how old is your house? Wait, do something notable first, then we can nominate your house. Katr67 17:37, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Are you saying wikipedia isn't notable enough? Shucks, I better go change my user ID again. --Esprqii 17:38, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Indeed.

My bad. -Pete 10:12, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Who's the troll you speak of

When you speak of a troll, were you referring to me? If not, then I'm sorry for bringing it up. But I saw your notes regarding a troll. I wanted to make it clear that I'm not a troll. I was attacked, and I'm responding to it. that's all. It appears to me that a group of friends closed in and started attacking me. I'm not saying you're included in this, but nonetheless, I'm not a troll. ~~~~

Strange, by signature didn't show up. So I'll post again, and again, I ask, Katr67, since there's confusion, who is the troll you speak of? I have a suspision it's me. Is this true? If so, it was not my intent to bother you guys, I just wanted to improve an article, and I had trouble getting specifics about the edits. 71.111.129.39 01:01, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Re:Oregon music

Not a problem. At this point it's mostly just enforcing fair use guidelines and adding to WP:MUSICIAN. Hopefully it leads to getting a few of the articles in better shape, though. –Zytsef 01:01, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Slight Misunderstanding

I have moved some of the messages around on my talk page and put comments to clear up the misunderstanding with one of the two anon users with the IP that started with 216, who I think is a relative of mine. With two different conversations on my talk page happening at once, it provided the perfect situation for such a thing to happen. Especially when you have people who are unfamilar with Wikipedia. I'll also let the anon I mentioned know your comments weren't meant for him.

I'll lay off the comments on the other anon. I was just quite irriated in terms of what happened. That is exactly why I don't edit on Wikipedia very often anymore. Too much bickering going on. Davidpdx 02:21, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

oregon/columbia

Is this image an oregon spotted frog or a columbia spotted frog?Noahwoo 03:09, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Phooey. I got it from here, used to illustrate "Spotted Frog" (Rana pretiosa), and the image name is ft-columbiaspottedfrog.jpg. This article (same image) says R.pretiosa is the Oregon Spotted Frog vs. Rana luteiventris, which is the Columbia Spotted frog, which is "similar". I also note the e-nature website says the image is copyrighted. *sigh* I hate copyright stuff. Are these websites confused or am I? It might be better to lose the images altogether. Katr67 03:26, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Gail Kimbell shouldn't have been deleted

Katr67, I question why you tagged the page Gail Kimbell for deletion? The information was taken from the U.S. Forest's Service's Web Site: About the Chief. This information is public domain. As stated in the policy for speedy deletion (WP:CSD#G12) there must be "no credible assertion of public domain, fair use, or a free license" for a page's speedy deletion. The problem is, this information was taken from a government website which under the Wikipedia:Public domain policy is public domain. It is also stated under the U.S. Forestry Service's Privacy Policy that the information presented on the website is considered public information and "may be distributed or copied unless otherwise indicated". Bottom line, it is not copyrighted material and should not have been deleted. I will also forward this note to the administrator who deleted the page. If I have overlooked something please leave a comment. Thank you, --Cladestine 23:39, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

template

Thanks for reminding me of that one. I added a couple more to the beginning, but that's as far as I go because they get stinky and NN for a while up to Fouts prior to that. (I had the same issue when I was going to make a Stanford starting QB one.) I'll let a real fan deal with the rest. --Esprqii 00:03, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Cool thanks, I thought it seemed a little short. I've had the cleanup for that on my to-do list forever. Now nobody can say I never did anything for my school... Katr67 00:06, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Chinook salmon

Hi Katr, I have corrected the isbn for the Dynamic Great Lakes and made a page number in text citation. Is all o.k. now?

Barbara Spring —Preceding unsigned comment added by Barbaraspring (talk • contribs) 15:22, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

(Not Kate) Looks OK to me. When I said I fixed it, I put ISBN in all caps, which turns on the wiki magic that links to the book search. I didn't check to see if it went to the right book, so thanks for correcting that. Katr67 17:26, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
I checked the book it went to: it looks correct. —EncMstr 18:22, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I checked it after she corrected it. I'm not sure what the issue is now unless it's in user pref settings? Katr67 18:24, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

corrected text

Hi Katr67

I have corrected the in text citation for Chinook salmon and the ISBN. Now why is there still a question mark?

Barbaraspring 18:10, 27 September 2007 (UTC)Barbara Spring

I'm sorry, but I really don't know what you're talking about. Do you mean the template below your citation? That has nothing to do with your reference. (and was added before you edited the article) It's referring to the list of references below yours that haven't been linked in the text. If that's not what you're referring to, let me know. Thanks. Katr67 18:16, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Cave Junction and Oregon Geographic Names

Could you look up Cave Junction in your OGN book? I'm trying to expand the lead, and this is the glaring ommition so far. - Peregrine Fisher 17:16, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd love to, but I have to finish editing something that has a real world deadline. I might be able to do it tonight if you're lucky, otherwise sometime tomorrow. Katr67 20:18, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Sounds great, Whenever you have a chance is fine. - Peregrine Fisher 20:23, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Copy edit request

OK, I think I'm done with Hillsboro, Oregon's GA work. Could you please copy edit it before I nom it, pretty, pretty please. Thanks. Aboutmovies 02:17, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Man...that thing is sooooo long. OK, I'll think about it. I'll at least run it through Word tonight... Katr67 02:24, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Katr, I'm happy to work on some of it…say, two or three of the bigger sections. Want to split it up? AM, looks good on a quick skim! -Pete 02:32, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Sure, let me give it a quick once over first though. Katr67 02:34, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, no hurry though for either, feel free to take a couple weeks, that'll allow me to return to the old dead guys and find some free map making software. Aboutmovies 02:49, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, your pick Pete. I need to do something else for a while... Katr67 03:02, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Tiptoety Rfa

Now you're just pouring salt into the wound. It's obvious this Rfa isn't going to succeed. What's to be gained by continuing this public humiliation of a user who has screwed up but clearly is growing, evolving, and trying to make the project better? It potentially drives a good contributer away and paints you as being highly mean-spirited. Give it some thought. Jeffpw 16:20, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not trying to humiliate him. He's showed some troubling behavior and that's on him. People seem to think he has loads of ethics and integrity, and I have a couple doubts about that. He does mean well, but he's twice ignored the fact that he seems to have lied about the copyvio material. How he handles the question will be a good indication of his character. I've gotten on his case before. My challenging him hasn't driven him away so far, don't worry. :) He seems like a resilient guy. I trust he will take everything he learns from this Rfa away and improve his editing. Katr67 16:42, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Mulino

I have two quick question! Is a plaque that is from the national historical society stating that Howard's Grist Mill (or the mill as we call it) is the oldest industrial building still standing in the state of Oregon and the longest running business in one place a reliable source??? The other question is whether or not a journal written by Richard Howard wife is a reliable source???Smileyface 12 91 05:37, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

The plaque might be OK, the journal, probably not. But if you want to go ahead and cite those things in the article, I can take a look at it later. Katr67 00:37, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
That is weired I thought it would be the other way around. Just for future refrence why is it that the dairy of someone who was actually precent when mulino was founded not a reliable sorce??? Smileyface 12 91 10:48, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Because the diary is a primary source. Have you read WP:RS? Wikipedia encourages the use of third-party secondary sources and itself could be considered a tertiary source. The plaque is ostensibly created by the NRHP and should be accurate, though it would make more sense to find the NRHP nomination and cite that. Katr67 14:22, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes I have but it has been a while sece I read it last. NRHP is not exactly the easiest cite to navigate and trying to ask them anything is just hard (it was like pulling teeth to put a a porch back on the mill).Smileyface 12 91 02:28, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Question

Hey I have a question also. I accidentally created a page titled Linfield Review and then realised The Linfield Review was the correct name, and being stupid I just created a second page instead of renaming the first one. I couldnt find in the editor manual how to delete an incorrect page, and was wondering if you could tell me how. Thanks --DerRichter 17:43, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Sike! I guess its gone now. Nevermind--DerRichter 11:59, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Yep, someone saw you were the only author and had blanked it. For faster service, next time use {{db-author}}, but yeah page moves are the way to go, then the incorrect name will redirect to the correct one. You might go ahead and make a redir now, since other folks are likely to search on the name without the "The". Katr67 15:45, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

New COTW

Hello again from WikiProject Oregon. A round of applause for the project in October when we added three GAs, one FA, plus 10 DYKs! Next, thanks to all those who participated in last week’s Collaboration of the Week, John Wesley Davis & Johnny Kitzmiller. This week we have the Cayuse War, and in honor of the home opener, the Portland Trail Blazers. Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies 18:37, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

As Fonzi says, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

The COTW award from WPOR.
Thanks for leading the way in last week's Collaboration of the Week!
Good work on Davis. Aboutmovies 18:54, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Toponym

Are you intentionally declining to vote on that one? If so, carry on…but I'm hoping you'll weigh in, your input into why we made the article to begin with was valuable. -Pete 00:31, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Nah, I'm trying to figure out how to frame my arguement without resorting to WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS and all those other things they like to shoot down. I mean, if Albania can have a toponym article, why can't we? When does time run out on the Afd anyway? Thanks for the reminder. Katr67 00:34, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Spidey sense says VERY SOON, but I can never remember these things :) EncMstr just put it very well though, in my humble o. -Pete 01:25, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. I forgot another thing I thought to put in there... What was it?!  :-) —EncMstr 01:29, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

For the record, we should have until the 9th (five days from nom). Katr67 19:40, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Oregon Templates

I would like to change the University of Oregon templates to more deserving colors, however I would like to be directed to the templates that you are refering to as I have only been able to locate one. Thank you. Aplaceicallhome 02:01, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

See Category:Oregon navigational boxes (I count 5, not counting the buildings one, which is in userspace), though I think the green currently matches the "O" logo and the UO website, and that "Thunder Green" and "Lightning Yellow" are the football team colors, not the school colors. I see the Civil War article appears to use the same colors. I won't oppose if you make them all match, but I don't really see the point of changing them. When Nike rebrands the football team, the colors will change again, but green and yellow are always just green and yellow. BTW, are you the same user as Jumpingfrenchman? Katr67 02:25, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
So I used the Nike terms for the colors, but not only did Nike create Thunder Green and Lightning Yellow, they created the "O". Thus the traditional colors for Oregon have usually been a bright yellow and bright green. And yes I am, I had a very strange sensation to change users, can't really explain it, but it's what I wanted to do Aplaceicallhome 04:37, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Another RfA Spaming

Thank you for constructive criticism in my recent RFA which did not pass at (18/27/10). I will be sure to improve my editing skills and wait until someone nominates me next time. Thank you for you comments! Tiptoety 00:11, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Zombies

It happened 207.6.36.85 23:52, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Uh huh. BTW, one more vandal edit and I'll be reporting you at WP:AIV. Cheers! Katr67 23:54, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Finally

Ok, Katr67, it seems we are finally in agreement. Let's keep it that way.Ryoung122 22:54, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

OH, FOR CHRISSAKES RYOUNG, WE WERE NEVER IN DISAGREEMENT. Please get over yourself. Katr67 22:57, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
Edits like this make it difficult to believe RY received a college degree. Aboutmovies 23:51, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
He's been indef blocked. Maybe we can get on with the business of writing an encyclopedia now. Katr67 19:34, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
I wonder if we're dealing with somebody's social commentary/art project or something? It really is hard to believe somebody would be that unaware of the basic structure of a discussion in which he was an active participant. -Pete 20:10, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
It could be that, but there's a couple personality disorders that might explain that sort of behavior as well. Katr67 20:15, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

WPOR's newest COTW

Thank you to all those editors who helped improve Cayuse War and Portland Trail Blazers last week as part of the Collaboration of the Week. They are looking much better. This week, with the election season over, we’ll tackle a request for Oregon Ballot Measure 37 (2004), which should have plenty of WP:RS available to work with on improvement. Our other article is another Stub in the High category, our only Miss America, Katie Harman. Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Legal disclaimer: WikiProject Oregon and its affiliates are not liable for any personal injuries acquired while editing on the COTW including but not limited to carpel tunnel syndrome, Wikistress, alcoholism, anxiety attacks, or extreme emotional distress. Aboutmovies 20:04, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I love kittens

About your edit to Camp Pioneer, MinsiPatches has been attacking a number of pages in response to having a page he favored get AfD'ed. Perhaps I messed up the formatting of the title Eagle Scout in the reversion, but that deosn't justify snarky comments in the Edit Summary. That's generally just bad form. --evrik (talk) 20:57, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

"you may be having a dispute with Minsi, but please don't revert legitimate form and style changes" Sorry if you found that snarky, (I'm having trouble seeing it, to me it seems like a simple statement of fact, so if you can show me how it was snarky, I'd appreciate it) that wasn't my intention. Just pointing out that you shouldn't blanket revert just because you are having a dispute with someone. I'm a copyeditor. It bugs me when good changes get reverted in the midst of other disputes. FWIW, I'm the one who reported the bad-faith noms of Minsipatches to AIV, so it's not like I have any love for him either. Like a couple other people watching that page, I don't agree with you about the fact the article doesn't need more sources, but I'm taking it off my watchlist now because it isn't worth the hassle. Take care. Katr67 21:04, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
  • It wasn't my intention to drive you off, but I would have appreciated it more had you left me the comment on the talk page rather than in the edit comments. Anyway, have a good day. --evrik (talk) 21:51, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Re: Your header change: Roffle. :D Katr67 21:57, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Move of Wikipedia:Talk page to Talk Page♥

I have deleted the redirect and reversed the move as you suggested. Did you know that you could have done so yourself? A redirect with no other page history does not block moves by non-admins, so you could just have reversed the move and nominated the strange redirects for deletion. The move became impossible for non-admins to do only after you added the deletion template. Happy editing, Kusma (talk) 07:32, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I do know that. I attempted to move the page back before I added the template and got the bold red notice that I'd need an admin to help. Thanks though. Katr67 07:40, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
That is strange. Anyway, good that you know, and thank you for helping to undo pagemove vandalism! Kusma (talk) 07:44, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
You're welcome. I was linking to the shortcut to help out a newbie and I always doublecheck I did my links right and there it was. I hope that didn't confuse too many people before it got moved back! Thanks again for your help. Katr67 07:45, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Oregon COTW version 11.20

Welcome to the jungle folks. Thanks to those who helped out with Katie Harman and Oregon Ballot Measure 37 (2004) last week. This week, we have two high priority stubs, one of the two major hospitals in Legacy Emanuel Hospital & Health Center, and Oregon Department of Education. Enjoy your turkeys, or for some enjoy your tofurkeys. As always, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:54, 20 November 2007 (UTC)