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[edit] oh noes

there is a picture of someone who is still alive and it is not a crappy cell phone shot WHAT THE HELL WIKIPEDIA

[edit] Contact

  • Any one know how to contact her? Email? Anything?
  • Can someone please share any info so that i/we can contact her??
  • haha you creep

[edit] Younger sister

Is her sister younger than her for sure? I went to school in Glasgow, knew a girl of Hong Kong descent with the same surname, but a few years older... everyone I know seems to be under the impression that Katie Leung is her sister, but nobody's really sure. That's why I was looking at this article actually. Just wondering if anyone could verify it.

Leung is a really common surname for Hongkongese, if not the most common chinese name in the UK. Katie is also a pretty popular name for children born in Hong Hong, so I guess there are a lot of people called Katie Leung. I used to know one in Oxford too!--Hontogaichiban 23:12, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] External link flaw

The site related to the third external link is under construction. I will put an "under construction" notice at the link. If the site comes back again, feel free to remove the notice. Thank you.

150.140.215.24 12:21, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Katie Leung Online has been down for a few weeks. But I've added Katie Leung Fan under it, another in-depth fan site that's updated very often. NumbRemxed 20:33, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

She is not the prettiest of all those who auditioned but it is said that her distinctive Scottish accent was the main deciding factors in securing her the part.

This is an opinion- not a fact.

Yeah, that's true to a point but in one of the video interviews Mike Newell talks about how they had "alot of choices [of girls eligible for Cho]" but it was her Scottish accent that made Katie "too juicy to pass up." Cho Chang 20:34, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Racism

Please, stop deleting the part about the racist "fans"!!! If you look below, it has been decided that we should at least mention the racists, but in only 1 sentence. I am about to add 1 sentence for the third time because someone (or some people) keep getting rid of it without disscussion on the talk page. If you think it should be removed, discuss it here first. As of right now, we have agreed to at least mention it though, so please don't just erase it without saying why.

I agree. The one sentence mention is OK. Nandesuka 00:55, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
Someone changed my edit (again). Hopefully this is the last time I have to add this back in.
I actually understand now why it was deleted this time--someone added to the paragraph and that they are clearly racists who's opinions should be ignored. after my part about the racists overlooking the fact the Cho is Asian in the books too. I agree with this comment, but this is not the place. Whoever added such a pov comment is just as bad as the person(s) deleting the section on these "fans".

[edit] "Equal Time" for racism?

I'm conflicted about the discussion of the freaks who are protesting her kissing Daniel Radcliffe. I could understand mentioning them, but do they really deserve half of the text in the article? I worry that we're basically taking a minority opinion of a few weirdos and presenting it as if it's some sort of mass movement, which it certainly is not. Anyone else have any thoughts about this? Nandesuka 22:05, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Agree , there should not be a whole section pertaining to this. That's a major POV, and like Nandesuka stated, it's not a major movement, or even notable for that fact. A mention of it and a reference is all the article needs. Now if a whole country decides to ban her or boycott the movie, thats a different situation (as if that would happen). Keep the racist remarks out of the article, as they are not pertinent to the history of this person. <> Who 22:39, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
These biggots are gonna be screaming when they make book 6 into a movie--Ginny kissing Dean, man, if these losers are upset about a white kissing an asian, I don't want to think what they'll say about a white kissing a black. You would think these harry potter "fans" would be a bit smarter, do they overlook the incredibly obvious anti-racist themes in the books?! I agree that the older article gave too much detail on this topic, but now there is none, so I will add one sentence like mentioned above. How do stupid people like this still exist--I for one was very glad to see the two major mixed race couples in the series so far (Harry/Cho and Ginny/Dean), and even glader to see that JK didn't even draw attention to the fact that they were interracial and whatnot, shows that some of us in society are progressing a bit, though I do wonder about these protesters. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.205.15.55 (talk • contribs) 07:45, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
Agree as said by unsigned. --takagawa-kun 06:01, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
Brilliant sages beyond, some conservative idiots are getting upset about inter-racial KISSING?!?! Sad that alot of the anti-Harry Potter people are probably racist, chauvanistic baseurs.Seven-point-Mystic 15:05, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Problem is that racists probably have an issue with anyone who is not from their race doing anything public. We shouldn't humour them by mentioning them in every article of every actor and actress, we're just inflating their egos and giving them a disproportionate amount of space.--Hontogaichiban 12:06, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DOB

There isn't a "good" source at the moment for her dob, but the majority of them say 12APR1988, so I'm changing it to that until we can get a confirmed source. Some sources (note I am not referencing IMDB or Katie-Leung online): [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] <>Who?¿? 2 July 2005 21:23 (UTC)

What's the logic for distrusting IMDB, which is generally considered the canonical online reference for movie metadata? They say her DOB is 8 August 1987.Nandesuka 23:38, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Actually, it's fairly common knowledge on Wiki, to not fully trust IMDB. We may use a ton of their data for filmography, but when it comes to disputed information, they are not the reliable source. Like Wiki, they are user edited, unlike Wiki, there are not thousands of people cross referencing newly entered data. It is fairly easy to add mis-leading info on IMDB without the worry of someone changing or removing it for some time, if ever. I searched for awhile, to try to find a better source, I could not find one, hence I went with the majority. ∞Who?¿? 21:17, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
I changed her date of birth to "unknown". If we don't actually have a reliable source for the DOB then it makes no sense to give one date ahead of another. People are going to use the wikipedia article as a source; if our information is just based on "well, there were more web sites that had this as an answer," that impacts our credibility. Presumably when they start promoting the new movie, there will be press kits that will include a canonical answer. We can update this then. entry accidentally unsigned by Nandesuka ∞Who?¿?
Sounds good to me, thanks for the fix. ∞Who?¿? 19:33, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

I know plenty of the fan websites state her birthday as August, but all of them are user edited. Warner Bro's doesn't even have a profile for her yet, and if they do, I would love to have the link. Here is another more credible link showing her birthday as April answers.com. ∞Who?¿? 05:33, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Newspaper source. Sunday Mirror UK. Dated 9 May 2004, states she is 16. 2004 - 1988 = 16, if her dob was August, she would have been 15, seeings April comes before May, her birthday had already passed. ∞Who?¿? 05:39, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Acutally, there was a letter Katie sent to a fan that stated her birthdate as August 8, 1987. Currently, the site is down due to bandwith problems but when it's working again, I can post the link here. (71.116.170.149 06:14, 21 July 2005 UTC signed for anon ∞Who?¿? 06:49, 21 July 2005 (UTC))

  • Thank you that would be very helpful, especially if we can prove the source. ∞Who?¿? 06:49, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] New evidence

        Here's the link to the letter that Katie herself wrote.

http://www.katieleung.info/katieleungletter.jpg (added by 71.116.180.55)

Thanks for the link. I still would like to get some consensus on whether other users want to trust the source or not. I am thinking that Katie Leung's people would have requested it's removal, if it were fake, however the lack of their efforts to make an official site, is either to keep her underwraps until after new movie, or just lack of effort. It would also be helpful to see the link on the website, for context and see if it is easily found. Mainly because if it is highly visible, it has a chance of being disputed/accepted. Anyone have any thoughts on this letter? ∞Who?¿? 00:12, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

I think it's reasonable to accept this as prima facie evidence of her birthday. It seems like it would be a lot of trouble to go to to fake just to promulgate a bogus birthdate. Nandesuka 01:25, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

Thats true, but you can never know with fans, I dont think the letter would be made to fake a date, but just to say "Hey look, she wrote me a letter." I am almost willing to use it as a source, but see no problem with leaving the date at 1987 as TonySapphire has set it to. ∞Who?¿? 21:15, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Does that mean the letter is not believed to be a reliable source?

Can we remove the {{disputed}} tag, now that we seem to have converged on "1987" as an acceptable answer? Nandesuka 04:21, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

I dont see why not, most of the anon's dont' really listen to it anyway. I cna't stand the way it looks with it, I'll remove it. ∞Who?¿? 04:41, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Kissing / awesome

source is here:

Jo: So, you're filming that at the moment?
Dan: Yeah.
Jo: Kissing scenes?
Dan: Let's hope so!
Jo: Is she gorgeous?
Dan: No... yeah, she's very pretty. She's really cool, though, Katie's awesome!

Sounds like Dan's got a crush!!;-)Seven-point-Mystic 15:05, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Uh... no offense, but are you four years old? People who have a crush usually feel uncomfortable talking about it. Have you ever had a crush? 68.105.157.197 00:22, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I am most definitely not four years old. It may just be my nature, but I have no difficulty talking to others about crushes, I just get nervous talking to some-one whom I have a crush on. Am I there-fore weird? Seven-point-Mystic 23:27, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Child actor cat?

Should Katie Leung be listed in Category:Child actors, seeing as she was 17 during the filming of her first theatrical role (HP4) and 18 at the time of its release? I'd remove it myself, but I think it could be a touch ambiguous... -- Seth Ilys 06:41, 20 November 2005 (UTC) I really liked the Movie Harry Potter goblet of fire and my best Harry potter series. One of the reason is Katie leung portrayal of cho so beautifully and with grace. Keep up the good work

[edit] surprising clear scottish accent

The sentence "Her surprising clear scottish accent was the deciding factor in securing her the part." needs clarification.

  • If it means "Scottish people are generally unintelligible, but Leung is, unusualy, easy to understand", that's really not a reasonable thing to have in an encyclopedia.
  • If it means "Her strong scottish accent..." then we should say "strong", not "surprisingly clear". Technically it's a Lanarkshire accent, so if this is what is meant we could say that

-- Finlay McWalter | Talk 13:45, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

--User:Morag McHaggis

  • Unintelligible? Moi?? Crivvens

[edit] asian?

should we really include her as an asian actor? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Doriandixon (talk • contribs) .

  • Um, she's asian, and she's an actor. I'd say it's fair to describe her as an asian actor. --Deathphoenix ʕ 13:26, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

asian not so much. oriental maybe

Let's remember that Asian in the UK is often used to mean individuals of Indian-Subcontinental ethnicity. Oriental is not a PC description either. The proper way to describe in the UK is either to be more specific, "Chinese ethnicity" or to say Far Eastern ethnicity / Far East Asian ethnicity. To address the original point, I don't think she qualifies as an Asian Actress by British standards, as she is 100% British. From a British POV, to say she is an "Asian" Actress would be racist.--Hontogaichiban 23:55, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Really? Wow, the British are really sensitive to that sort of thing. I thought "Asian" is about as unracist as you can get, since the continent of Asia includes all these countries. "Asian" is a geographic description. Well, if the British minorities are really sensitive to potentially offensive language such as "Asian", in that case, mark her down as a "Chinese actor" and move on. I'm a minority, and quite frankly, I don't care what people call me, as long as they don't call me to pay for someone's drinking bill. --Deathphoenix ʕ 02:25, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, that might have been confusing. Asian, as in "asian actress" would be fine if she was from Asia. She isn't, you could say she was a "scottish actress of asian decent", that would be fine. Oriental is pretty dodgy in all respects. The other confusing factor for many British people is that they would associate the term Asian to mean Indian, Pakistani, Bangledeshi or Afgan. In fact I using Asian to mean Far Eastern is fine for me, but maybe my English is more international due to where I have lived and the nature of my work. I hope this doesn't make me sound too anally retentive! I guess I'm a little sensitive about this in relation to Ms Leung due to the racism she encountered on gaining this role. With regard to the British being sensitive about this kind of thing, I guess it comes down to the fact that most (middle class anyway) British people are not comfortable with throwing racial labels around and grouping people together in the way that happens in the US. For example in schools you do not generally get children grouping along racial lines (although they might along some religious lines). Let's not forget the whole idea of race is a myth. Hope this is of some interest!? --Hontogaichiban 13:22, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I've lived in various countries myself, and grew up in a rather racist neighbourhood. Perhaps that's why I don't really care what people call me. As for her "true designation", unfortunately, I don't think there's a Category titled "Scottish actresses of Asian descent", or if there were, it would be comprised of one person. The category titled "Asian British actors" is fine, because it serves as a summary description of what she is. It's a category thing. If you really care about her "true designation", that's something for the content. The categories have already been defined. It's time to move on. --Deathphoenix ʕ 14:09, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] House

Is there really any need in an encyclopaedia to mention the unsourced, estimated cost of her father's house? What a pointless statement. --Brideshead 21:05, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] vandalism

There is vandalism on the bottom part of the page. For some reason I can't get it deleted. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.239.179.216 (talk) 05:51, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Re: Vandalism

I have removed the vandalism from the page. Whoever posted that knew what they were doing because it was in an invisible code to shield the text. It is off now! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.220.22.174 (talk • contribs)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Chochang.jpg

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[edit] name

If she's Hong Kong descent, why's her name written in Pinyin? It should be in HK romanization. (ie. Cantonese, not Mandarin) 70.55.86.129 07:32, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

If we're identifying her as scottish, why is her name provided in in any asian characters at all?--Crossmr 23:37, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Most notable role

If she's only been in two films, playing the same character in both of them, then why does it say "perhaps best known for playing Cho Chang..."? Sik2thestomach 02:39, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't. faithless (speak) 02:40, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
It does. --RossF18 17:30, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
I guess I'm losing it then, because I don't see the word "perhaps." faithless (speak) 19:03, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Yes, please split hairs. I think the point was that an actor who only stared in two movies shoudn't have it in the article that they are best known for those 2 movies. What else would they be known for if not for these two movies? "Perhaps" or no "perhaps" the phrase "best known for playing Cho Chang" is superfluous since she only played Cho Chang up to this point in her career. --RossF18 01:23, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
There's no need for the attitude. The fact is, the article doesn't say "perhaps best known for playing Cho Chang." And I don't think this is splitting hairs; if she had been in nothing else, sure, the phrase would be superfluous, but she has been in a music video with a popular Asian singer. But as she is much more widely known as Cho, it is worth mentioning. faithless (speak) 01:47, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kissing references

While the Harry Potter reference seems notable given all the hupla about the kiss, is it really important to mention in the next few paragraphs that in the music video: "In the short movie, there isn't an on-screen kiss, just holding hands." That doesn't seem to be all that important. (RossF18 20:02, 1 August 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Scottish v. British

There is an ongoing edit battle here over whether to identify Leung as Scottish or British. Certainly her citizenship is British (or Unitedkingdomian, I guess). However, nationality and citizenship are not synonymous. Please see Wikipedia:Citizenship and nationality for a discussion of the distinction between the two, and how they are treated in Wikipedia. Note that it particularly points out Scotland as an example where nationality may vary from citizenship.

In at least one interview, at http://www.virginmedia.com/movies/interviews/katieleung2.php, Leung herself seems to lean toward the "Scottish" characterization. She responds to a question referring to her as "Scottish" with no objection or correction; says she comes "from Scotland" (distinguishing it from England); and characterizes her own accent as "Scottish."

Furthermore, "British" is somewhat imprecise, because her citizenship is UK, which is of a greater scope than Great Britain.

For some anecdotal evidence of admittedly limited value, in my own limited discussions with acquaintances from Scotland, each identifies himself as "Scottish" rather than "British."

Based on the Wikipedia guideline cited above, the inherent imprecision of "British," and her own characterization, I suggest that the correct nationality to use here is "Scottish." -- TJRC (talk) 00:37, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

You certainly make a well-reasoned argument, and I don't doubt the accuracy of the claims you make. However, the Manual of Style is pretty clear on this point. Leung's citizenship and nationality are both British. I'm sure many people in Scotland do refer to themselves as Scottish rather than British, but that doesn't really matter here. We are only concerned with a person's legal standing. For an example, we can consider early American history: before the American Civil War, most Americans primarily identified themselves by the state from which they hailed, not as Americans. But it's not relevant what they identified as, but rather their legal citizenship. They may have been Virginians, New Yorkers, Rhode Islanders, etc., but as they were United States citizens, we consider them Americans. Likewise, Leung might be Scottish, but she is a citizen of the United Kingdom, and therefore British is the way to go here. By the way, thanks for bringing this to the talk page. Cheers, faithless (speak) 01:54, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Again, see the distinction between citizenship and nationality at Wikipedia:Citizenship and nationality. Note that that guideline is a more specialized and more nuanced one than the single parenthetical statement in Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies), and should rightly be seen as more applicable because of that. -- TJRC (talk) 04:03, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
The Manual of Style is a guideline, the other is a proposed guideline, so there really is no question (at least for now) which is more relevant. I really do believe this is quite simple: Leung is a citizen of the UK, and is therefore British. In Leung's case, "Scottish" is an artificial construct with no legal standing. As Scotland is not a country, she is not a Scottish citizen, nor is she a member of the Scottish ethnic group. She may call herself Scottish, and that's all well and good, but it doesn't concern what we're doing here. If the proposed guideline is adopted, that's one thing, but until then we ought to use British per the MoS. faithless (speak) 04:36, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
TJRC is right. Scotland is in fact a nation, one of the constituent countries of the United Kingdom. Virtually all articles on Scottish people refer to them as Scottish rather than the less specific "British"; this one should not stand out. Faithless, the problem you've pointed out affects all articles on Scottish people, and would be better dealt elsewhere, such as at the guideline page. As another note, I don't believe the proposed guideline TJRC pointed out conflicts with the MOS page on this point, as the latter says "citizen or national". Perhaps the MOS should have section for UK citizen bios, but as I said, this has implications for many more articles than just this one.--Cúchullain t/c 23:24, 20 December 2007 (UTC)