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I have first hand evidence of Kuhlman's ministry. In 1970, I went to one of her healing services. After the service, I went to her for prayer. All she said to me was "God bless you." I was immediately overwhelmed with the presence and power of God to the extent that I dropped to the ground in a state of blissful intoxication. I laid there for about 3 minutes, deeply at rest with overwhelming peace. I'm also the worlds biggest skeptic, with 3 under graduate and and post graduate degrees and a background in public school teaching. John Shepherd- Bend, Oregon

Thank you for your testimony. You may want to take it elsewhere, to the KKF website. Thanks. Aaрон Кинни (t) 01:35, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Contents 1 nPOV 2 preachers 3 Discrepancies: Charismatic or Pentecostal? 4 Reference 1

[edit] nPOV

She was a controversal woman, someone has to write about this. And something about her relationship with Pastor Benny Hinn.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.112.157.171 (talk • contribs)

Kathryn Kuhlman did not have a relationship with Benny Hinn. She never even met him. Benny Hinn's ministry was initially supported by the Kathryn Kuhlman Foundation AFTER her death.

This article is about as encyclopedic as they come. Expansion of this article to include discussions about her relationship to Benny Hinn could be very difficult to stay neutral, especially as most of what is really know about this subject comes from Benny Hinns own books.Paulrach 21:56, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

There needs to be a critical assessment of her supposed abilities. I reverted the deletions that white washed the article, but more should be added since, as noted above, she was controversial. Arbusto 05:50, 7 April 2006 (UTC).

Kathryn Kuhlman never professed to have any abilities or talents. She never called herself a faith healer, and detested this moniker. In her own words "she merely pointed the way.

Yep, there were clearly some attempts at white-washing and POV-pushing. - WarriorScribe 14:39, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Read Gwen Lanning's story - [1] One of many miracles medically verified by several doctors including Viola Fryman D.O F.A.A.O. Considered one of the best known ostopathic physician/scientists worldwide.

The citation of a website intended to push a specific point of view is not compelling nor does it serve as evidence. There is no indication that this "miracle" has been verified as such by any reputable medical resource. "Wishful thinking" doesn't qualify as evidence. - WarriorScribe 01:28, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Real Miracles: Indisputable Medical Evidence That God Heals by Dr. Richard H. Casdorpf - verifies miracles that took place in Kuhlman's meetings.

POV publications are not sufficient to establish validity of claims to miracles. There is no scientifically verifiable evidence that Kuhlman ever healed anyone, and whether or not she used the phrase "faith healer" to describe herself, it is in wide use with reference to her. - WarriorScribe 04:43, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I've removed the Fraudster and Religious Scandals categories. They are POV and there is nothing in this article to justify their inclusion. Jammycakes 14:51, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

There should at least be some balance to this article, she couldn't have been ALL bad. Hundreds of thousands of people watch these people like Benny Hinn and Ken Copeland, and they get something out of it, so good for them. If that floats your boat, great. If not, we shouldn't try to bash on them or people who like them. That's just the same as them trying to push their point of view on us. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.130.177.158 (talk • contribs)

With the various edits that have been made over time, this article has achieved a NPOV -- good work all. I'm removing the tag. -- technopilgrim 18:04, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] preachers

Her life did not match her sermons. I heard her once in Akron Ohio. Great speaker, but like so many others, her true motivation was the almighty buck! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Litljimi (talk • contribs)

This is encyclopedic content? Do you have verifiable proof that she was motivated by the 'almighty buck?'

[edit] Discrepancies: Charismatic or Pentecostal?

A discrepancy exists within the this article by identifying Kuhlman with the "Pentecostal arm of Christianity" (1st paragraph) against the later statement of her being a Charismatic. Interesting discrepancy to say the least. Her ministry proceeds the general date given to the birth of the Charismatic movement. However her ministry came to exist within the time from of it and her thoughts seemed ideologically more compatibe with the Charismatic branch the Pentecostal branch. Additionally she emerged from a mainline denomination which continued to have major impact upon her thought throughout her ministerial years as evident by her speeches/sermons. Since I am new to this whole wikipedia thing, I am not going to make any edits to this article because I am not sure the proper protocol for it. However since Church History is the field of my academic training, I would tend to argue that Kuhlman was in the end an "independent Charismatic". Though "independent Pentecostal" may be argued quite strongly also. I argue for "independent Charismatic" on the basis of her thought and ministeria practices. So I am pro that the line "Pentecostal arm of Christianity" be changed to "Charismatic arm of Christianity" since there does indeed exist practical and academic distinction between the two. (Ryabe 02:55, 22 October 2006 (UTC))

I encourage you to be bold & make edits to the article. No doubt the confusion in the article comes from the broader meaning of the word "charismatic" to indicate those who demonstrate the charismatic gifts, versus the term "Charismatic" which a historian would use to describe the movement that arose in the 2nd half of the 20th century. One caution: in the end you come down that Kuhlman was an "independent Charismatic". That is well-informed opinion, but opinion nonetheless. It would be good Wikipedian style to find a published source that comes to the same conclusion which could be cited as a reference. If that can't be found, I'd recommend leaving it out entirely. Please give it your best shot (or even a reasonable shot!) and I'm sure the article will be better off for your efforts. -- technopilgrim 18:04, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reference 1

I would like to read the parts of Mr. Randi's book that are referenced in this article, but none of the citation sites on wikipedia's book reference page were really much use to me, and also I can find no information on Dr. Robert Nolen. I want to know how James Randi found out people were coming to the meeting without wheel chairs and I want to read his exact words, plus I want to know more about the study that Dr. Robert Nolen conducted. Unless the references are openly available and easy to check, I'm unimpressed with the little numbers next to the text as long as the citation is as shallow as it is right now. Maybe I'm wrong, the bit about the wheelchairs seems like POV hearsay, and a reference to a reference of Dr. Nolen's study seems like a bit of a stretch. If somebody can get more direct info on this, and hopefully from a source more reputable than a book that was admittedly written to defraud faith healers, I would feel a whole lot better about all this. In short, I'm having trouble connecting these dots. Also, the scare quotes on "healing crusades" don't really seem necessary, that is, if nobody is particularly attached to them.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.27.15.23 (talk) 11:31, 10 April 2007 (UTC).