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Contents 1 Ice Blades 2 Insulting Toph's Blindness in "The Chase"? 3 Picture 4 Zutara 5 Kanna 6 Only female waterbender 7 Portuguese/Spanish 8 WHO IS AN IDIOT!? 9 Jet = Ex-Boyfriend??? 10 Remove Haru? 11 Zutara: Section 2 12 That giant picture. 13 Katara=celebant? 14 Justin is starting to take up way too much of my time 15 Fatal Wound? 16 Nobility 17 Relationdhip with Ty Lee 18 Categorie 19 The profile image 20 Name 21 Why is she smiling? 22 I'm going to regret this... 23 Position 24 Section on Waterbending progress 25 Fair use rationale for Image:Katara vs SwampMonster2.png 26 Fair use rationale for Image:KataraOctopusForm.jpg 27 Fair use rationale for Image:Kataraep23.png 28 Image?

Ice Blades

In the Book 2 section of Katara's waterbending it states that she used ice blades against the swamp monster. This is false as I am pretty sure she used blades of water that were pressurized.One2ManyIOUs 20:34, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I've only seen the ep once (And quite a while ago), so I can't positively say which is which, but I'm pretty sure that you're right, she's used water to cut quite often. JBK405 21:57, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Insulting Toph's Blindness in "The Chase"?

While it is possible that Katara was mocking Toph's physical inability to see the stars, it seems to go against her character. It is also possible that Katara was saying, "Too bad that you can't see them [because you've shut yourself off inside a stone tent]." Especially as it was Toph's self-isolation that was angering Katara. Like the other character, Katara has been shown to forget that Toph is blind. Reference "The Library," when Katara forgot that Toph can't read books. It seems likely to me that Katara had forgotten about Toph's blindness and made a comment that Toph (understandably) misunderstood to be an insult about her blindness. -- Sunder the Gold

Nah, i think in that instance she was doing it to insult her blindness due to the way they were bickering with each other throughout the episode. *shrug*. I don't think it's to significant one way or the other, even if it was a cheap shot. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 02:48, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm with H2P on this one. Katara's tone is clearly very scathing, and intense lack of sleep can make you say some things you wouldn't say under normal circumstances. Y BCZ 02:57, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

You should also consider that Katara didn't have any sleep for a day and she and Toph were already bickering. It's the same when you argue with a sibling and you'll say something just to insult them. By now they probably forgot it. Momoroxmysoxoff 20:05, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Picture

Any body else not liking her main picture? I have a distinct dislike for it...

I don't really like the picture either...I think that there are better pictures for Katara. 62.101.126.229 20:47, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

It's not the best picture of her. But I don't think anyone really feels like changing it. Bagpipeturtle 23:16, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

I have a nice pic, but do not know how to upload....To whomever knows how, here is the link: http://firebender.com/w1/images/36.jpg One2ManyIOUs 06:33, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I personally think that's a horrible picture, actually. Now, since this page is not up for FA nomination, I have absolutely no problem with people arguing the hell out of a small matter. Obviously some people want to change the picture, so let's start submitting some possibilities. However, do NOT take it upon yourself to change the picture- wait for consent from everybody else. Kapeesh? Remember, we're looking for profile images- images that capture her normal personality and focus on her face. In any case, the creators announced that several characters will receive "new looks" in the third book, so we'll probably want to change several of the images on the character pages to better suit the characters following the changes to their appearances (as was done with Zuko and Iroh for book 2). My point is, even if we do make the change, it may not last long. Still, feel free to propose (NOT put up immediately) new images on this page. Y BCZ 07:06, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Zutara

Any further "Zutara" additions to this page will be immediately deleted. I'm tired of constantly fixing pages for their inclusion of shipping; "Zutara" is a purely speculative relationship that has no valid basis, despite attempts of some fans to throw together circumstantial evidence and interpreting it in a way to support their fantasies. This is an encyclopedia, not a fansite, and only information about the characters that we know for FACT should be included in its articles. Please keep "Zutara" off this page and shipping off Wikipedia altogether. Prototime 23:19, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

If Zutara must be kept off this page, than Kataang, Jetara and Katara/Haru must be kept off also. You can't band one ship if you aren't willing to band the others. Besides, Kataang isn't cannon, nor is Zutara. There are just a lot of strong hints for both pairings. Zutara being more suttle with hints than Kataang. -DJ66.45.175.101 03:42, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Again, delusional. Anyway, all those shipping things are removed from this page already, all we put is what is canon. That means, if it HAS happened, it's on the page. If it HASN'T happened, but is infered, it's speculation and is not on the page. There is a difference between deductive reasoning and pure guessing based on random misinturpretations of facts. I am not doing this argument again, just read below. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 03:45, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not delusional. I'm very sane infact. All I'm saying is that if you are going to band one pairing, the band all of them. Clearly, you have never supported one of the Avatar ships before. You should, its very fun. And, those who support the ships will say that you are misintrupretating the facts and that we are not guessing by making hypothesises on what will happen. And as long as we are speaking of guess work. Do you have something against Einstien's Theory of Revalitivy and other SCIENTIFIC theories that are taken for fact or just my "delusional misintrupretation of facts"?- DJ66.45.175.101 07:15, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

...The theory of Relativity was disproven. And like I said, I'm not arguing the shipping thing again, it takes to much effort not to strangle people. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 17:58, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Um, actually, no, it wasn't. (the theory of relativity)65.35.68.173 22:33, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

You still haven't answered my question, so, I'm not going to stop bugging you until you do. What do you have against theories and shipping or do you have something against one fan's "delusional misintrupreatation of facts"?-DJ Zutara and Taang FOREVER!66.45.175.101 06:32, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikpedia is an encyclopedia, it's not a place for unverifiable speculation. Exhibit A 15:29, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Exactly. Theorizing and speculating is all well and good, this just isn't the place for it. See, no one is banning information on any relationships. We just report the facts. If, in a future episode, Zuko came barging into camp, killed Aang, Sokka, and Toph, and grabbed Katara and kissed her passionately, we'd have that in the article, since it would be fact.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:00, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Ha, great use of example there Fyre! H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 20:06, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Not to sound rude or anything, but I want H2P to answer my question. He was the one I was talking to. And I would like HIM to answer it. And by the way, where did you here that the Theory of Revalivty has been disprooven. I WANT SOLID CONCERET FACTS! Not wishywashy stuff. -DJ Zutara and Taang FOREVERZutara and Taang FOREVER 04:26, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

You want solid concrete facts...and yet you're arguing for a pairing involving two characters that have interacted...four, five times? And each time as enemies (okay, except one...)? In any case, you're changing the topic by going off on the theory of relativity...which has never been proven false, true. Drop that issue. There's a reason why people post stuff (edited by neutral users to remove as much shipping as possible) regarding "Kataang" and...um...Ty Lokka? Sok Lee? Whatever... Anyways, there's at least SOME stuff that is canon that supports those things. We KNOW Aang has a crush on Katara. We KNOW Ty Lee and Sokka have passively flirted. This stuff is what gets posted, because there is factual stuff to back it up. Anything supporting "Zutara" is open to far too much speculation to be thought of as true evidence. Stop fighting this battle, it's not something you'll win and you'll only end up embarassing yourself with your poor logic, grammar, and spelling. -Y 72.185.197.99 18:40, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

1: I am not embarrasing myself, in fact, I'm absolutely positively ENJOYING myself. 2: When I get passionate about something, my spelling and grammar tend to go down hill, BIG WOOPTIDO! I really don't care. 3: I think its really YOU guys that are embarrasing yourselves. Good night, sleep tight and do let those bed bugs bite:) -DJ66.45.175.110 04:33, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually you are embarassing (one r) yourself and this is not a forum. Also, here: [1] and here [www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1381866/posts] and over here [2] at CNN as well. Now go away and take your "poor logic, grammar, and spelling" with you, it is unwelcomed here. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 14:58, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

• holds up head high and proud* NO!Oh, and by the way, embarrassing IS spelt with two Rs. I have spellcheck on my computer and it fixes it. I AM NOT GOING TO LEAVE! YOU CAN'T CUT ME DOWN!

- DJZutara and Taang FOREVER 00:31, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

• Kay, yes, shippings of any kind are not allowed on the actual article, I agree, but this is a TALK page, and you have no right to hinder us from speaking our minds. Being a supporter of Zutara, I dislike that it is the ONLY pairing not permitted on this site, and that Kataang is completely allowed. I understand that Kataang has direct facts to back it up, but Zutara has supportable theories as well, and though they are indirect, they should NOT be called "misinterpretted facts". Besides, although it is clear that Aang has a crush on Katara, they have no defined romantic relationship. Yes, shippings should be kept off the actual article, but they should be allowed on the "notes" page as speculations, just like other notes. And, hate to break it to ya, I'm an American, this is a FREE country, we have freedom of speech and press, and you CANNOT keep us from posting Zutara or other shippings on this talk page. It's not appreciated AT ALL. Arowen Half-Elven 02:00, 20 October 2006 (UTC)Arowen Half-Elven

Here! Here! Arowen! I agree whole heartedly with you! This is AMERICA! And I'm PROUD TO BE AN ARMERICAN! The internet and its humble webpages are apart of the Freedom of Speech and the Press. I agree with you and the fact that they should be called "misinterpretted facts" nor are they "delusional" either. Those theories on Zutara have been debated since Book One: Water Chapter Nine: The Waterbending Scroll, and some of them are very solid. I agree with you on the fact that its disgusting that Kataang is allowed and other shippings aren't. This is a TALK page, where people TALK! That means people VOICE ideas and THEORIES! Not just spew facts. Heck, anyone here can just spew facts! But it gets better when theories and ideas are added. It brings more life. Three cheers for Arowen Half-Elven! -DJZutara and Taang FOREVER 04:01, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

OK, you have no freedom of speech on a privately owned webpage. Ever actually read the first amendment? "Congress shall make no law..." Last time I checked, it didn't say "Wikipedia shall make no policy..." The owners of that space (in this case, the WikiMedia Foundation) can set whatever rules they want. Talk pages on Wikipedia are meant for discussion of changes to the article and nothing else. If you don’t like that, you’re free to leave.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 04:39, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Why don't you go if you don't like us being "radical"!? YOU WILL NOT SILENCE US!-DJZutara and Taang FOREVER 04:46, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't really have a problem with your ideas (though I doubt you‘ll believe that, since you‘ve already decided I‘m the “bad guy“). Heck, I actually think Zuko and Katara would make a interesting couple. I've just got this weird problem where I want to follow Wikipedia's rules.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 04:51, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Prove to me that you don't have a problem with my ideas and I will think differently of you, until then, you are the "bad guy". Deal? -DJZutara and Taang FOREVER 04:57, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Two things: first, you’ll all notice I put back the removed sections of the talk page. Whatever the reason, removing a big section like that isn’t appropriate.

Secondly: fine. I’ll do my best to “prove” it to you. Expect a post in your user talk page (where that sort of discussion belongs) soon.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 05:11, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

• As a matter of fact, yes, I HAVE read the ammendment...I've actually done quite a bit of study on American Constitutional laws and ammendments. My comment wasn't directed at wikipedia, but at a previous user who falsely feels they have the right and obligation to erase all things Zutara or other shipping from this talk page. As this is a TALK page, and not part of the actual encyclopedia, people are free to say what they want here, so long as it isn't vulgar or obscene, and he has no right to do so. Otherwise, I think it would be best if this page were changed from "discussion" to "editing" or something similar.

My only complaint is this: WHY must people be so hostile with one another here? This page is meant for us to share ideas and theories, TALK, DISCUSS. Now, I'm no liberal, but isn't one theory as welcome as another? Not to change the subject, but for example, evolution, a theory with many, MANY holes, is taught in schools, though it is not proven. So why should Zutara, a supported theory, be removed from this page? It's simply illogical. Why we cannot sit and talk like civilized people absolutely BOGGLES my mind. If we are reduced to such neanderthals, such sophomoric cretins, over such trivial matters as these, where do we stand in the real world? Let's sit and have a half-decent discussion.

Zutara, Kataang, or none? My personal opinion: ban them all, or none at all. Simple as that.Arowen Half-Elven 19:49, 20 October 2006 (UTC)Arowen Half-Elven

Try to understand..specific relationships aren’t being banned. No one is picking out the one they like and saying that’s the only one allowed in the articles. We just don’t allow speculation, about relationships or anything else.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:04, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

This is NOT a place "for us to share ideas and theories, TALK, DISCUSS". THIS is a talk page designed to discuss the changes and edits to the article in question. THIS IS NOT A FORUM. Theories and discussions about the show that don't involve questioning content changes to this article should be taken some place else. The fact that you are supporting putting shipping on this page means that you are not providing constructive input on how to change the content of the page. Wikipedia is NOT a place for theories based on individual opinion and immature thinking. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia designed to present all the FACTS (facts, as in, proof, as in something that is not debatable) about the article's subject. The reason that there is stuff about Katara and Aang in here is because those things ACTUALLY HAPPENED. What do I have to do to make you finally understand that. ALL SHIPPING HAS BEEN BANNED FROM THIS PAGE ALREADY, only the facts of what has happened currently remain. If you want to support your idiotic theories go ahead and help us remove any shipping that gets placed on these pages, because shipping theories will not be tolerated here on Wikipedia and I will delete them as they are added. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 20:00, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

• I will NOT allow my intelligence to be INSULTED by someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. You're immature way of handling this clearly shows that you're not very solid on your standpoint. I'm NOT DJ by the way, if she's who you think you're talking to. As I suggested earlier, the name of this page should be changed from "discussion" if it isn't to be used for that. Until then, I will treat this as a TALK page, as is stated at the head of this web page. And my question DOES involve the content of this article. Yes, I've said before, Kataang is hinted at in the show, but it is HINTED at, not confirmed. I believe that at one point, this article states that Katara's opinion of Aang has changed since "The Fortuneteller" when she was told that she would marry a powerful bender; that's never been proven, yet it is allowed in the article.

Being perfectly honest with you, I don't even know why you WATCH this show at all. Things like this aren't any fun if you don't theorize and choose a ship and what-not. Come on, you know you want too. This is a show intended for children and young adults, REALLY it's not that big of a deal. I understand that it's the principle of the thing, but let's not start World War III over it. But really, with the time and energy I am WASTING talking about this nonsense with you, I could be doing something important. I'm going to get off here, but do not think that I am defeated. I'm just as sure as ever I have been. I shouldn't have gotten angry, but my mind is unchanged. I hope that you'll take in what I've said, or at least be less rude about it when dealing with others. I'm going to pray for you, and I hope you have a good day. Good bye. 24.154.137.15 20:17, 20 October 2006 (UTC)Arowen Half-Elven

• My last comment was directed at H2P...this one goes to Fyre2387. I understand completely, and it's not necessarily YOU that's cutting these things, so I hold nothing against you. But I feel like the articles tend to hint more at Kataang, which isn't fair or appreciated by we Zutarians and other shippers. I'm not asking that facts be removed or theories added to please Zutarians, I just dislike the implications. 24.154.137.15 20:22, 20 October 2006 (UTC)Aroewn Half-Elven

Yep, I'm not allowed to just simply enjoy the story, art, or anything at all unless I make idiotic theories like "OMG, KATARA IS SO GOING TO MARRY THE CABBAGE MERCHANT! See, it's right there in episode Waterbending Scroll how she hints that she likes him. OMG they are gonna get married!". (example: How all shipping looks in my eyes)

Don't you people understand that the show's writers use shipping as a way to get you to watch? They do it in Danny Phantom too. Writers create shipping to allow a fan base to accumulate and they hint at emotions because it keeps people interested. When JK Rowling found out how dedicated Harry/Hermione fans were, she was shocked and confused and ended up calling forth an interview to put out information to stop it. When Ron/Hermione became canon in that interview she had people angry and refused to read the books anymore. Romantic interests are there because it makes the story sound more realistic, it makes Katara and Aang and all the other characters feel more like actual humans. Until something actually happens, and it won't until the VERY end, it's speculation and according to Wikipedia speculation does not belong and will not be tolerated. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 20:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree, and you're right, it WON'T happen until the very end. Yes, I'm aware that writers use shipping to keep people interested, and it WORKS. You mentioned enjoying the story; in my opinion, shipping is PART of the story. As a writer, I have to say, that in my work (both original and fanfiction), shipping, along with bringing out stark truths, is my favorite part.I'm a hopeless romantic, and since it's what I like, it's what I expect my readers to enjoy. I'm not saying that you HAVE to support a shipping. I just personally think that it's more fun to watch when you do so, just because you're able to say silly things like "YEA, ZUKO'S GOING TO JOIN THE GAANG THIS SEASON, I JUST KNOW IT!!!" and other things like that. They don't really matter, I suppose, it's just a matter of having fun and being entertained...which is the entire purpose of television, so I see nothing wrong with it. And one can't help but wonder. The reason I support Zutara is that it's what has struck me as a result of watching the show. Maybe it'll happen, maybe it won't, I'll just have to keep watching and find out.

Besides, shipping isn't the only reason I watch. You mentioned that you enjoy the art; so do I. As someone who loves to draw, I have to say that Avatar is a very well-made realistic anime. It has an in-depth plot that keeps me interested, and the characters' personalities aren't one dimentional, like so many animated characters are.

Well, I have to go now, but if you'd like to keep talking I'll probably be back on later. 24.154.137.15 21:25, 20 October 2006 (UTC)Arowen Half-Elven

Okay will everyone just stop arguing over this?!?!?!? yeah i think it'd be interesting to see Zutara happen but has it happened yet? noooo and are there major clues to it happening? nooo. but even though kataang has had more supporting stuff and they arent enemies, is it 100% certain? no it isnt either. so whould all you people just shut up and wait to see whats gonna happen? cause no matter how much all of you (both zutara and kataang supporters) want what you think is gonna happen to be right you can't cancel out all other possibilities.

Who is arguing for Kataang? H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 05:29, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Honestly, I'm not trying to cancel anything out. Zutara is my personal opinion, but I know Kataang is a possibility too. I'm hoping for Zutara, but Kataang is an imminent threat to it. Both pairings have their supporting ideas, but then, maybe it'll be neither. Who knows? I AM waiting (rather impatiently, I must admit) to see what will happen, but it makes the show more interesting for ME to theorize and watch as each episode brings me closer to, or further away from my guess. I'm not trying to argue with anybody. Right now, I would consider this a semi-civilized debate, but when and if it turns into a full blown argument, I'm leaving, and I'm not coming back until it settles down again. But anyway, I know that, as Bumi once said, "You have to open your mind to the possibilities."--Bumi, Book One: Water, Chapter Five: The King of Omashu.24.154.137.15 13:32, 22 October 2006 (UTC)Arowen Half-Elven

Okay, you know what? I've had it. I'm sick of it. I'm at the breaking point-I want to scream and rant and rave and insult people who are constantly saying that "Zutara" should be permitted here. But I'm not. Instead, I'm going to address the arguments...in as calm a way as I possibly can.

1) Bias: There is no bias here. You THINK "Kataang" is allowed here and not "Zutara" because CANONICAL, FACTUAL EVIDENCE that could be used to SUPPORT "Kataang" is present here. Why is this so? Because it happened. Aang has a crush on Katara, Katara thinks of him as a good friend, various episodes have stuck them in rather romantic situations. There's a lot of stuff to address that HEAVILY implies the pairing. Meanwhile, Zuko and Katara...well, they only interacted on friendly terms once. So...okay...pretty much all of the evidence supporting "Zutara" is up here. Has anyone up here stood up and shouted "KATAANG 4EVER!!!!!!!!!!!" ? No. Basically, your argument is null... There's as much "Zutara" support here that can be given. If you want to blame anyone for there not being more, blame Michael Dante DiMartino and Bryan Konietzko. Heck, blame them for being biased, too. In an interview, they answered questions regarding "Zutara" and "Kataang", and here's what they had to say (QUOTED FROM NICKELODEON VIA A CLIP ON YOUTUBE):

Q: How about a Zuko and Katara romance? BW: You should REALLY be wondering about a Appa and Momo romance. Q: Will Katara and Aang ever be more than friends? MDD: Well, you're gonna have to keep watching to find out.

For those of you "Zutara" shippers out there who love speculation so much...well, I'd say this could easily be interpreted to mean that Michael and Bryan think Zutara is ridiculous. And if anyone's opinions on the subject do matter, it's theirs. So go ahead and blame the creators for being biased on the subject, but no one here is biased.

2) Right to express an opinion: Actually, you do NOT have that right on Wikipedia. Section 1.4 of What Wikipedia is not states

"Wikipedia is not a soapbox Wikipedia is not a soapbox or a vehicle for propaganda and advertising."

The second of the Five pillars of Wikipedia states that "Wikipedia has a neutral point of view". Shipping is anything but neutral.

Finally, the discussion page, as has been stated before, is not a forum. You are not supposed to be using this page to ship. According to Wiki's guidelines on contributing, the discussion page is used for the following purpose:

"if you aren't sure what to do, here's an approach with which you can never really go wrong: navigate to the talk/discussion page associated with the article, hit the "+" tab, and make a comment on what you think needs changing."

That's it. Say what you think should be changed about the ARTICLE, don't argue about what you can express in the discussion page. Discussion is supposed to be directed towards the article, and, because Wikipedia is all about fact and not shipping, there should be no talk of shipping in this area in the first place.

3) The "powerful Bender" argument: Stop using the "Katara is destined to marry a powerful Bender, and Zuko is a powerful Bender!" argument. Iroh is a powerful Bender. Pakku is a powerful Bender. BUMI is a powerful Bender. Yet I don't see hordes of people using the "powerful Bender" argument to advocate "Katiroh", "Pakkatara", and "Katumi". Once again, this "evidence" is speculation, and speculation does not belong here.

- For Pete's Sake NO! Those "powerful benders" you speak of are just powerful in your opinion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.251.54.223 (talk) 00:04, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

4) The "enemy" wants NO shipping of ANY kind here: Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Encyclopedias contain facts. Blogs and forums are good places to express your opinions. You can even express your opinions in fanfiction and fanart. There are no places for these things on Wikipedia.

Now please, stop arguing. -Y 72.185.197.99 21:39, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Wow, it's good to see that all is still well here. I apologize for the repition of arguments, but there is a simple answer to all of this: "the hallmark of Wikipedia is verifiability". It is verifiable that Aang has a crush on Katara, that Ty Lee has flirted with Sokka, etc. These things were explicitly aired. On the other hand, it is theoretical that Zuko has a crush on Katara, that Toph has a crush on Aang, etc. because these things have not explicitly aired; thus, they are not verifiable. That's what everyone here needs to be concerned with. I'm sorry if you feel that this in anyway limits your freedom of expression, but this is the way Wikipedia is set up. If you don't like it, you're more than welcome to voice this opinion to the Wikipedia administration. But until official Wikipedia policy changes, everyone must follow the current rules, and my original comment that started this conversation stands. –Prototime (talk • contribs) 22:23, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

• Whoever up there said that, I agree, the arguing needs to stop. Zutara is not allowed in articles, but neither is Kataang, Taang, Sokki, Tykka, or any other pairing. I don't mind "Kataang" facts being on these articles, it simply annoys me that statements like "Katara feels" or whatever are permitted, if only because they aren't proven, they're just interpreted. Though I must say in regards to the whole "powerful bender" thing, I simply meant that it can be interpreted in a number of ways, and that the writers seem be fond of plot twists rather than bringing out the obvious. I saw the "Zutara/Kataang" interview, and again, that could have been interpretted in a number of ways, one of which, I admit, could have been "Zutara will happen when pigs fly" (although pigs DO fly, in the Avatar world). I think I've been misunderstood here. I'm not asking that facts be removed from this article or theories be added to please Zutarians. My complaint is that interpretations are allowed, and they shouldn't be. For example (this doesn't deal with pairings, but work with me) on the "Zuko Alone" article, the notes page is title "Interpretations". Why? Interpretations are the same as theories: unallowed.

Honestly, I've never been on a forum, so I wouldn't know the difference, but I DO believe that this entire conversation/argument is relevant to the content of this article.24.154.137.15 01:57, 23 October 2006 (UTC)Arowen Half-Elven

"My complaint is that interpretations are allowed, and they shouldn't be. For example (this doesn't deal with pairings, but work with me) on the "Zuko Alone" article, the notes page is title "Interpretations". Why? Interpretations are the same as theories: unallowed". I have no idea what you are talking about there. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 05:22, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

• Go look at the page. Last time I was there, it was titled "Interpretations", and it was just theories about what might have happened to Ursa, Lu Ten, and so on. I mean that, in some articles, rather than just stating facts, they give the interpretation of a character's actions as a fact.

Kay, I've kinda wanted to back out of this whole thing for a while now. I only got involved in this conversation in the first place to back up a friend, but since she's dropped it, I'm gonna drop it too. But as long as people keep talking to me, I'm gonna feel inclined to reply, so I ask that you, please, don't comment to me on this article anymore. Later!Arowen Half-Elven 14:06, 23 October 2006 (UTC)Arowen Half-Elven

Dear H2P: I would like to point out that many facts are still being debated today. DJZutara and Taang FOREVER 19:52, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

You're still here? Oh and if someone is arguing a FACT, smack them upside the head and call them an idiot. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 20:37, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Of course I'm still here. You sounded a bit suprise to learn that I'm still here? Or was it disappointment? At those facts are so much being debated, but more like...challenged by new evidence and findings. But, in a way, we are all idiots. Oh, and one more question H2P, do you belong to the Flat Earth Society?- DJZutara and Taang FOREVER 05:00, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

• • My goodness, is this fued ever going to end?! Look, Wikipedia=Facts, Shipping=fiction, and thus Wikipedia doesn't = shipping. So unless we see some real lovin' going on, NO SHIPPY FOR YOU!But the Zutara in me screams...dude in the season finalie episode description it says that "Katara and Zuko spend time in an unusal way" YAY! Interaction! -Jammity 15:00 Nov. 18

Im just asking when does the TV Special: "Avatar: The Legend So Far" come out.

• Honestly, I'm not sure, Sorry-Jammity 19 Nov

HOLY SHIT YOU SHIPPERS ARE FUCKING NUTS

Geez, using Wiki to push your shipper delusions is beyond sad. You should all be embarrassed.

OK. Back on subject. No Zutara speculation need be introduced, but how about some clean up on the section about Katara's relationship to Zuko? And perhaps some mention of Katara's gradually changing attitude towards Zuko wouldn't hurt. That is, in Book One and the first half of Book Two, he was foe, but by "The Chase" she was willing to help them after fighting Azula, and finally in "The Crossroads of Destiny" she trusts him enough that she would have even used her water from the Spirit Oasis to heal his scar, had they not been rescued too soon. -Sean Eberhard 01:23, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. A good point is made in the above satement. However due to later events in the episode crossroads of destiny the realtionship between Katara and Zuko is hostile as ever. Perhaps even more so. Though she did want to help him at first, she was attacked by him quite viciously later on. Of course we won't know how she really feels about him until the next season. I think it would be best to leave it as is for now. 69.141.78.155 00:54, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay people, Zutara/Katuko/Kazu (I've heard it called all three) shouldn't be in here. The end. No more. The FACTS about their relationship (not the theories), and how they have interacted should be included in their articles. Wikipedia is a place for encyclopedic facts, not shipping and things that might happen (key word: might). It's not like everyone here is completely against Zutara and will do anything to keep anything about their relationship off the site. If something signifigant happened in the show between them, it would go in here, since it would be a fact, and not just some guess or opinion about Zuko and Katara. Seriously, take it to a blog or fan website. This is not the place for shipping. Until (or if) something happens between them, Zutara shouldn't be included on either of their pages. Speculation on Wikipedia = BAD. Period. Bagpipeturtle 05:18, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

• Kay, I'm not trying to start another argument, but I'd like to point something out. People keep going on that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and is totally factual. I love Wikipedia. Just because it IS a fan-run site, and I can get info here that I can't get on official sites OR fan sites. But let's be practical. Wikipedia IS a fan-run site, and thus ANYONE can edit it. It will NEVER be totally factual. Ever. It's very useful, but not totally reliable. The first thing my teachers tell us when we're writing a report is DO NOT use Wikipedia as your Internet reference. This is a great site, but it's NOT totally factual, and it never will be (not that I don't appreciate you guys trying). It's great that you're trying to keep it as true as possible, but it's not going to happen completely, and yelling (well...ya know what I mean) at people isn't going to help. All we can do is edit it off and move on. Later!

• But the short after the season three premere clearly shows that katara thinks that zuko is cute. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.30.117.139 (talk) 01:19, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
• The short is non-canon and was just a joke. You can't be seriously considering to use that as factual evidence to support this ridiculous relationship addition? 99.226.44.161 04:33, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

There is no evidence that Zutara iwll ever happen. People only want it to happen, because they think Zuko is "hot" and the only girl pretty enough for him is KAtara. I thikn Maiko is fine and dnady, and Jinko and SOngko. I don't know why they are suddenly not allwoed by The "Zutarians" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.185.242.83 (talk) 19:37, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Gosh, some of you people are crazy! Just Drop the argument already! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.251.54.223 (talk) 00:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Kanna

Isn't Kanna Katara's grandmother from her mother's side? I know I can be wrong but I always understood that way.

From what I understand, that's correct.

Then why it says that Kanna is Katara's paternal grandmother on the family part of the page? And in Sokka's page as well? I always thought Kanna was their paternal grandmother, not maternal.

I wish someone would bring forth factual evidence. I rewatched Bato of the Water Tribe and I still don't know the correct relation. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 07:28, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

On the distant horizon website (www.musogato.com), it says it is paternal.

What's their source? H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 05:42, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm...I've always assumed that Kanna was her paternal grandmother, based on her interactions with Hakoda and Bato as children. But since the Waterbending Master, when it was revealed that Katara's necklace was given to her mother by Kanna, I'm not sure.24.154.137.15 22:15, 26 October 2006 (UTC)Arowen Half-Elven

Wow, I didn't even take that into consideration. Granted that it's possible that Kanna could have given her daughter-in-law the necklace, but it just sounds more correct that it was handed down through the generations. Unless once again i'm missing some random comment throughout the show. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 22:24, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, it does seem like it would be like a family heirloom through the generations. Yet, at the same time, if Kanna had no daughters, she might have given it to her son's wife. Oh, I just don't know. Maybe it will be brought in the show sometime soon. Arowen Half-Elven 14:32, 27 October 2006 (UTC)Arowen Half-Elven

Only female waterbender

I was wondering, on Azula's page it says that Azula is the only female firebender so far, and correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Katara the only female waterbender so far? And if she is, shouldn't we add it somewhere? I want to know if anyone agrees or disagrees before I do something wrong. Momoroxmysoxoff August 29 18:22

Katara isn't the only female waterbender shown. Kanna's old friend could do it. But I don't want that information worded that way on Azula's page either. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 05:19, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't realize. Thanks for telling me. Momoroxmysoxoff 13:30 August 30

Also, remember in the episode "The Waterbending Master" there were female waterbenders but they were only allowed to be healers. It's shown when Katara enters a healing school. So technically Katara isn't the only female waterbender shown.-Random helper 19:05 October13(Friday the 13th XP)

Yeah, Katara's not the only female Waterbender in my opinion, because the healers, though they don't fight, are still Waterbenders. Let us rather say that Katara is the only female WARRIOR Waterbender.In regards to Azula being the only female Firebender...I've always been under the assumption that Ursa was a Firebender. There's no evidence whatsoever to back that up, I've simply assumed it for no particular reason. But I agree, that saying the she's the only female Firebender INTRODUCED SO FAR is factual. Arowen Half-Elven 14:36, 27 October 2006 (UTC)Arowen Half-Elven

Plus, that rule may have only applied to the Norhtern Tribe. Judging by her reactions to some of their customs (the female Waterbenders thing, arranged marriages, and so forth) it seems like customs between the two tribes may be very different. There's also the Foggy Swamp tribe, who knows what they do. Heck, for that matter, if you want to be technical, any female avatar was a Waterbender. Far as I know, though, she's the only female Waterbender we've seen actually use Waterbneding in combat, but there's no saying that she's the first ever to do so.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 16:27, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

I've always wondered how Kyoshi learned Waterbending if it wasn't permitted in the Northern Tribe; and who KNOWS how long it's been since there have been Waterbenders in the South (I wonder if Katara has some special bending style, since she taught herself some things, she's from the Southern Tribe, but her teacher was a Northerner?). And yeah, who knows WHAT the heck goes on in the Foggy Swamp Tribe. 24.154.137.15 17:23, 28 October 2006 (UTC)Arowen Half-Elven

I'm pretty sure the Southern Water Tribe was only so diminished because of the Fire Nation raid (that killed Katara and Sokka's mother), so it would have been there for Kyoshi. Bagpipeturtle 23:24, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Uh, there were other raids on the Southern Water Tribe even before the one that killed their mother. That Fire Navy ship came before that. WtKatara 19 March 2007 (UTC)

That wasn't the point, though. Yes, there were other raids from the Fire Nation. But when Kyoshi was the Avatar, the war hadn't started yet. It's likely that the Southern Tribe was larger at that time. Bagpipeturtle 23:10, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Azula is not the only female firebender. In the episode "The Invasion part 1" When the fire benders infiltrate the boats, female fire benders are seen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.251.54.223 (talk) 00:15, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Kyoshi lived for 230 years and was born over 400 years ago. I'm sure the Southern Water Tribe was fine then.--Secretss (talk) 17:43, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Kyoshi was probably an exception to the NWT's "No Girls Allowed" rule. Being the Avatar and all. 76.0.95.134 (talk) 23:30, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Portuguese/Spanish

Why does everytime I find some term or name that sounds like it's a latin language people always mention that it comes from Spanish???? Katara is almost the same thing as catarata in portuguese too you know??? I'm Brazilian and I like Avatar a lot and it kinda bigs me not to see some relation to my language.

Um...I'm the Dragon's Daughter, and just to add something, I read somewhere, that Katara's name also means "blade" in Indian (Indai). Just thought you guys would like to know. I've also calculated the characters birth years.

You got a source? H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 18:06, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Um...does a fansight count? Its the World of Avatar. And how I caculated the characters birthyears was simple. The Calender in the planetarium at Wan Shi Tong's Library said it was the year of the Monkey. Which makes sense since Toph is twelve. Katara is a Horse, Sokka is a Snake, and Zuko (I'm a firm believe he's sixteen still) is a Dragon (I guess right!). But I learned that Katara means Blade in Indian on the web sight The World of Avatar. -The Dragon's Daughter

No fan sites don't and never count. Also, information on their birth year's symbol has no real meaning as we can't connect it to important information, I am a tiger, this information means nothing in understanding who I am or what my age is. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 07:28, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I think its important to include their birth year. It gives at least a sense of when they were BORN! I'm a snake. I'm not saying that its going to do anything about what the sign implies, but its nice to read, Zuko: blahblahblah...oh! He's born in the Year of the Dragon! Gee I didn't know that! You guys are so uptight! Loosen up, live a little. Have you forgotten that those "symbols" was how the CHINESE COUNT THEIR YEARS! The Avatar would is based heavily off of Asain culture and to deny fans infromation like that I think is bad. I'll try to find an factual sorce for Katara meaning blade. But its gonna be pretty hard seeing that most of the stuff I get is for Avatar. I know what your guys problem is! You are very narrowminded. One sight, Nick.com! *angel music* C'mon, live a little! Read some fanfictions! Support a ship! Use other sights! I think you should include the birthyears. (Dragon for Zuko, Monkey for Toph and Aang, Snake for Mai, Ty Lee, and Sokka. Horse for Katara.) Just write it in the little grey box saying Chinese Year of Birth: blahbluhblah. - The Dragon's Daughter

I'm not going to say it anymore. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a fan site. Fanfictions are not fact, shipping is the creation of deranged minds who ignore facts over small meaningless details. Wikipedia is not supposed to read like a magazine article nor should it be written like one. A character's year symbol means absolutly nothing in regards to the character and unless it has some meaning in the show, there is no reason to put it on here. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 08:15, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

I know what an encyolopedia is, I'm not STUPID! Shipping is not deragned, unless you support Kataang. (Yuck! Zutara and Taang rules!) And their Chinese birthyear does have importantance. Take Zuko. He is a dragon. He is always a winner, someway, somehow, he'll come out on TOP! Its explains, at least in an astrological sense, his strong determination, not from the pyschological sense. And its just not a symbol! Its the year! THE YEAR! HELLO! T-H-E Y-E-A-R! IN WHICH THEY WERE BORN! You said you were tiger right? I can easily figure out your exact age, by looking up the last two dates for tiger and subtracting them from our current year. And I already know fanficitons aren't fact, duh! I'm suggesting you go read some! Mine are really good, espeically my one fic called Walk My Love by Dragon Jadefire (that's The Dragon's Daughter aka me)! I'm also suggesting you support a ship! It can do wonders for menatal health of a Fanperson. I'm also saying, live a little! Don't yell at people for disagreeing with Azula's age! It makes them feel bad! And you couldn't use this sight as an actually source, you know why? Because people can change it! Murhahahahahahahahaaaaa! I found a flaw in your flawless plan! - The Dragon's Daughter and her Evil yet loveable kitty, TC! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.45.175.110

Okay, look, this is an ENCYCLOPEDIA *you spelled it wrong by the way* everything here is based on FACT! If it said in the show "Zuko was born under the year of the dragon" then OKAY we will put it down, but since it doesn't, too flippin bad. Also, since we don't have ANY idea how the year system works in Avatar we can't put down when the characters were born. And "living a little" isn't for factual sites-you spelled that wrong too-! We give people information that they would like to know! Not to stuff stupid ideas into their heads when that's not the reason they came! We also don't "disagree" with anything or anyone when we have facts to back it up! So what if someone thought Azula's age was something else! No ones going to go to their mom crying just because they thought she was 14 instead of 15. Calm down. This isn't a fansite so take it to someplace that cares. And by the way your grammer and spelling skills are shown, I bet your 'fanfics' are stupendous... -Jammity- *you spelled "which" wrong too*

Why is everyone so mean here? Its just an thought. Um...how 'bout this. Can the years of birth for the characters go into the triva section? ARE YOUR INSULTING MY WRITING SKILLS! NOBODY F-IN' DARES INSULT MY WRITING SKILLS! YOU ARE A BIG SWINEHUND! AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT SWINEHUND MEANS GO ASK YOUR GERMAN TEACHER! I'M A GREAT WRITER! I'M NOT A GREAT SPELLER! BUT I CAN WRITE WELL! AND MY FANFICS ARE STEPNDOUS! YOU SACASTIC LITTLE DEMON! YOU SHOULD READ THEM! ONLY MY FRIENDS ARE ALLOWED TO CORRECT MY ERRORS! NOT YOU! YOU STUPID KNOW-IT ALL!- DJ

• I dont like the German language, thats why I take Spanish in school. And I've seen your fanfics they're really "Stepndous". And yes, I am a Sarcastic little demon, thanks. Stupid know-it-all = Oxymoron -Jammity 19 Nov

• snicker* heh.. ha ha ha. Wow. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 17:32, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to second the wow. Why does everybody get so worked up? I think the zodiac thing is pretty cool; I don't think it should be on the pages. Not to mention, knowing Avatar, the zodiac would be based upon a whole bunch of random hybrid animals. *Toph - Zodiac Sign: Poodle Monkey.* Now that would be ironic considering that the three girls compared her to one in Tales of Ba Sing Se. I don't know, there isn't any evidence supporting it other than the symbols, so kudos for figuring out something pretty nifty, it's just that this isn't the place to put up something that we don't necessarilly know for sure.--TriPredRavage 23:55, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you TriPredRavage for agreeing with me on the nifftyness of the symbols. I always knew Zuko was a Dragon. Dragons always come out on top, someway or another they come out on top. It tells a lot about his detemination. Poodle Monkey...teehee, I like that. It would be nice to know what year it is. It has to be Monkey, seeing that Toph is twelve or a Poodle Monkey symbol. It'll clear up Zuko's age problem. And Azula's age problem. But thank you for praising me on my niffy fact or THEORY. I think the reason why we get so worked up is because we are very passionate about out ideas. I'm personally passionate about my ability to write. I only get really sloppy with my grammar when I'm really ticked, other than that, its pretty good. :) to you TriPredRavange- DJ66.45.175.101 06:42, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Kyoshi Islanders can Waterbend? Xenero 23:48, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

...No. KYOSHI can/could Waterbend. As in, the Avatar of the Earth Kingdom that preceded Roku and Aang. Y BCZ 01:45, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

• • I don't wanna sound mean but, Kyoshi was an Earthbender. As you can see when it shows all of Avatars past lives in "Avatar Roku" it shows Kyoshi in front of the Waterbending Avatar so shes an Earthbender _Jammity Nov 18

Yes, but as the Avatar, she could bend all four elements, so she could Waterbend.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 23:26, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

• • • Oh, whoops, I just ment, Originally she's an Earthbender-Jammity 19Nov

WHO IS AN IDIOT!?

Some $&#%3@ changed the whole page to "LESBIAN" repeated a thousand times. Stop doing this. IT'S AN ENCYCLOPEDIA, NOT A BLOG FOR HOMOS.

By: Wikepedia Staff—Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.20.199 (talk)

You could have just changed it back JBK405 03:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Calm down. It's just some sporty vandalism. Gollies. Whats a question? (I forgot the four tildes. =S)

Its also from October...--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:08, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Ahaha, I 4r dumm. Uh, that never happend. ="] Whats a question? 02:14, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Jet = Ex-Boyfriend???

In Lake Laogai, Toph asks Katara if Jet was her boyfriend. Katara says no and Toph says she's lying. Did i forget something or am i misinterpreting this Cnriaczoy42 00:33, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Toph's ability to tell if someone's lying is a bit like a lie detector, which is unreliable. The ability lies in noticing when someone's heart rate or breathing accelerates or otherwise changes noticably. Katara's body reacts this way because she is embarassed at the fact that she had a crush on Jet when she first met him. Y BCZ 00:53, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Remove Haru?

The section with Haru is still up on this page, and I don't really see much of a reason why. Recently, Meng was removed from Aang's page because she only appeared in one episode and didn't have a long-standing effect on him. You could easily say the same for Haru. However, I still think Pakku should be kept on the page, due to the fact that he's responsible for Katara's improvement between Books 1 and 2. But...the Haru section is only three lines long. It wouldn't affect the article much if it were removed. Y BCZ 12:40, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Agree. I don't know what page this discussion has a base on, but I really think we should resolve this question of who belongs on each page. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 17:37, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Right, if no one has any complaints in the next day or so, I'm just gonna delete it. And I hope no one complains, otherwise we're gonna have another war with the shippers. Y BCZ 20:27, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

sigh I'll go prepare the navy. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 20:40, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Haru should be on this page. He may have only appeared in one episode, but it was signifigent. Your reasoning is that he was only in one episode. Jin was only in one episode and everyone's fine with that (not that I'm saying she shouldn't). Really, that episode was important enough for him to at least be on it. Momoroxmysoxoff 20:20, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

...With all due respect...HOW was it significant? They were friends for an episode, freed a bunch of Earthbenders, then Katara left. The reason Jin is on Zuko's page is because that whole sequence revealed some of Zuko's normal human side, and Zuko's reaction to their kiss indicated that, if he hadn't had a problem with staying in Ba Sing Se, their relationship would have furhter developed. Teo isn't on Aang's page despite the fact that they formed a strong bond in chapter 17, nor is the Mechanist on Sokka's page despite the fact that interaction with the Mechanist helped bring out more of Sokka's innovative nature. Can you honestly say that meeting Haru had a very noticeable and significant effect on Katara? I honestly cannot. Y BCZ 21:00, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

We should not leave characters on the page that only really create a synopsis of an episode. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 02:23, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Not to be mean, but it sounds hipycritcical (I know I didn't spell it right) to delete Haru when Jet was on her page for the longest time and only appeared in one episode (before "The Serphant's pass). He only created (quote) "synopsis of an episode". For all anyone knows, he could show up agian. Really, how many people thought Jet would appear agian before "The Serphant's pass"? And as for signifigance 1) It was stated in his section that they had a strong friendship and 2) he was what inspired her to convince the earthbenders to stand up (I'm not suggesting shipping). Sorry I'm going on and on, but really, why delete him? Momoroxmysoxoff 21:17, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

...So? Haru has been up here just as long (longer, if the section has existed since "Imprisoned" was aired) as Jet, so it's not hypocritical at all. The fact is, Jet HAS shown up again, Haru hasn't. The reason for deleting him is because the section is insignificant in the first place and contributes little to the actual article. It does little more than make the page unnecessarily longer. Note that Meng and that random girl from Kyoshi Island have been removed from Aang's page despite having had romantic interest in him. Quite simply: Haru has had little effect on Katara or the show at all. A single episode as a minor supporting character does not merit a relationship section if there is no noticeable long-term effect on the concerned character. Y BCZ 21:46, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Alright. I'll back off it for now, but if (and only if) he shows up and meets up with Katara, then I'll be back... Momoroxmysoxoff 20:09, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

If he comes back and actually provides something more than another place to put plot summary, we'll add again. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 22:48, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Zutara: Section 2

Ok this is a fair warning to anyone who saw the commercial for the next episodes. THERE IS TO BE NO ADDING OF ANY SORT OF SHIPPING FANCRUFT. Even after the show airs there is to be no shipping. We keep facts on Wikipedia, not speculation. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 01:53, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Ready yourselves, my fellow non-shipping editors! The next wave of Zutarians is bound to come quickly and with great force. It is up to us to hold back the onslaught of non-canon information! Observe your watchlists with vigilance, and whenever you see a new edit on the Katara or Zuko page, immediately check it. Your mind may be blown away by the sheer lack of logic of some the statements you may see, so to prepare you, here are a few:

"OMG, she touched his scar! That's so hot! ZUTARA LIVES!"

"OMG, she's crying and he's comforting her! They're so gonna kiss!"

"OMG, Zuko used Firebending in his fight against Jet!"

Okay, so that last one has nothing to do with Zutara. Whatever. In all seriousness, it's bound to happen, despite our best wishes, so be ready for it. Y BCZ 02:36, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Seariously, no Zutara stuff unless something actually happens. I know after seeing a commerical for the guru you think that Zutara is real. IT IS NOT! I'll respect your ideas (as much as i don't believe them), but there's no need for anything to happen yet. Momoroxmysoxoff 02:44, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

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In fairness, though...if, by some chance, something DOES happen in the finale, I think its important we not allow our long conflict with the Zuko-Katara relationship (I refuse to use those silly terms) to get it the way of reporting fact. Not saying it will, just saying we should be aware of the possibility, however remote.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:15, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, we have more to worry about than the shipping. If it happens, I'll put it up the same way it's up Aang. I don't care if it happens but it will be done correctly. ANYWAY, the other problem we have is that if you watch the commercial it shows Katara using the water she got from Pakku while touching Zuko's scar. So all that arguing about how it's impossible to remove a scar may come back to annoy us as people act like children and say we were wrong. Damn the episode hasn't even aired and I'm already pissed at what is going to happen here on Wiki. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 06:35, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Really, come on! The Kataang shippers trying to undermind the Zutara shippers once again. There are facts to Zutara and if SOMETHING happens in the next episode, SOMEONE will feel very stupid.

User: Silent As The Moon

There are facts supporting Zutara? Name one... When the episode airs, IF something happens between Zuko and Katara, it can be posted. However, until then, we don't know exactly what'll happen. Interpretations aren't allowed on Wiki, just facts. Oh, and just so you don't go spouting comments like "It's a Kataanger conspiracy!"...H2P, myself, and a bunch of the other editors aren't shippers of any kind. Heck, to take it even further, Fyre supports Zutara. Y BCZ 01:23, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I always though that choosing a pairing was something you did freely. There was no "right pairing" or "wrong pairing". -A slightly anonymous Zuko/Aang slasher who will return to sporking Shaman King Sues

I must defend Zutara against you fools...AGAIN! Facts supporting Zutara hmm lemme see... 1: The tree scene in Chapter Nine: Waterbending Scroll. 2: Zuko grabbing her in Chapter Fifter: Bato of the Water Tribe. *try slow motion people because its there) 3: Zuko's Blue Spirit mask is blue...interesting cause its the same colors of the Water Tribe, coincidence...I think not! 4: Katara never openly shows anything that can be classifyed as I love you Aang. Its all been motherly affection. 5: Zuko knew that Katara's necklace was important to her and she would want it back. How many enemies do you know that would know something like that, if you only met them uh...ONCE or TWICE! 6: In Bitter Work, Zuko smiles when Iroh talks about the waterbenders. He's clearly thinking of Katara, and realizing why she cares so much about her brother and friends. 7: Katara was willing to heal Iroh, she knew that Zuko cared a lot about Iroh, even before he got hurt. It wasn't that hard for the Gaang not to figure out, and they are a smart bunch of kids. 8: Zuko allowed Katara to touch his scar, maybe the first female to other than the healers if they were girls. Okay, I'll say it, the first person we know of to touch his scar! 9: Zuko felt guilty about betraying Katara and felt sorry for allowing his sister to hurt/kill Aang. 10: Katara had HOPE IN Zuko. 11: She was willing to heal his scar. 12: Moon(Water) and Sun(Fire) were in some cultures universal parents. Fire and Water are very similar to each other. They are BOTH purifying elements. Fire and Water both destory and heal. Fire must first destory then heal. A forestfire is yes destructive but some trees can only let loose their seeds from the heat of the fire and the ash makes the earth fetrile again. Water must first heal then destory. Have you ever watered a patch of earth for a while and things grow, right? Healing? Water it longer and the earth erodes away, destrutive. 13: Yin and Yang! The Taoist believe that it was the warm breath of Yang the Essences of Fire that produced the Sun and it was the cool breath of Yin which was the Essences of Water that created the Moon. 14: Zuko and Katara are compatible. Easily. Zuko is stubbon, so is Katara. Both have tempers. They both lost their mothers. They haven't seen their fathers in over two years. (Arguable Zuko hasn't seen Ozai in three but we don't know if it also applies to Katara) They both have a sibling. They both stuggled in the first season with their bending. They are both determined to gain the victory of their chose alliagence. Their destinies both tie into Aangs, for good or evil it awaits to be seen.

Zutara isn't something made up by fanfiction crazed Zuko and Katara fans, its real! And you guys just refuse to see that. Its the largest has the largest fan base and anti-fan base. Its seconded only by Kataang (I personally strongly dislike that pairing). Its a great pairing and the most realistic one to boot. Besides, you don't want your boy/girlfriend to be your best friend. You wouldn't want to hurt that friendship. Look at Pochantas and Jonh Smith, emenies by birth, and later they became friends. That can SO happen for Zuko and Katara. And like Iroh said there is good in Zuko, he feels guilty about what he did, but Azula has such a iron control over him, she almost doesn't let him think for himself, because she knows that if he thought for himself, he'll rebel and that is what she doesn't want.

So, bash me and trash me. I don't care. That's my veiws and I'm stickin' to it. You can't change my mind, just like I will claim to my dying breath that Azula is fifteen. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it! DJ- Zutara and Taang FOREVER!!!66.45.175.101 07:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

DJ, if you want to argue with one of us, don't do it here. I invite you to a full-on brawl over at a forum where I have an account: [3]. I go by Y. I'll see you there if you want to be serious instead of just posting random stuff, okay? Drop me a PM or something to get my attention, I haven't visited the place in a little while. Y BCZ 04:25, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm not agruing, I am defending my ship. DJ Zutara and Taang FOREVER!66.45.175.110 23:56, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Look, I agree with what that one person (with a really long name) said. Ships are your own decession. I'm sure many (if not all) fans of the show have hope and/or perdictions on who will end up with who. Unless two characters openly admit that they love each other, then it can be on the page. But only then. Momoroxmysoxoff 00:12, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

(I didnt realise there was a Zutara section 2) Okay people, Zutara/Katuko/Kazu (I've heard it called all three) shouldn't be in here. The end. No more. The FACTS about their relationship (not the theories), and how they have interacted should be included in their articles. Wikipedia is a place for encyclopedic facts, not shipping and things that might happen (key word: might). It's not like everyone here is completely against Zutara and will do anything to keep anything about their relationship off the site. If something signifigant happened in the show between them, it would go in here, since it would be a fact, and not just some guess or opinion about Zuko and Katara. Seriously, take it to a blog or fan website. This is not the place for shipping. Until (or if) something happens between them, Zutara shouldn't be included on either of their pages. Speculation on Wikipedia = BAD. Period. Bagpipeturtle 05:27, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

All those "reasons" up above, are wrong. So they may be similar in some ways, but that doesn't mean they like each other. In almost half the episodes you mentioned Zuko, is trying to brive katara for the Avatar. OH MY GOSH, Katara offered to heal his scar. Woa. So she can be forgiving. Big Woop. In that same episode Katara was happy Aang entered the Avatar State. She Cried and held him in her arms when he got killed. She was happy when he opened his eyes on appa as thkey were flying away. What I'm trying to say is, there is no evidence for Zutara and lots of evidence for Kataang. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.251.54.223 (talk) 00:30, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

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Seriously, I don't get why the Zutarians kicked up such a fuss. There was never any attack on the Zutara ship. All that was said was, no shipping allowed. There was a blockade, yes, but no fireballs were launched. The shippers took that to be a personal attack and launched the first fireballs and got defensive.

In reply to a comment by User: Silent As The Moon (Really, come on! The Kataang shippers trying to undermind the Zutara shippers once again.) Well, just because we're against putting the Zutara ship on publication doesn't mean we must be from the opposing ship. There was completely no mention of Kataang shippers at all. (On the other hand, we should all refrain from questioning the foundations of the ships, even if meant in sarcasm. That always gets the shippers flaring up and I'm getting tired of scrolling through the various defenses put up by them.)

Zuko and Katara look good together and the drama and angst surrounding Zutara is exciting but I just don't buy the "supporting facts". We don't need supporting facts to like a ship. If we do, then well, that's ironic isn't it? Our choice would then be controlled/puppeteered by whatever events shown in the show, and not by how the characters appeal to us as couples. When we choose a ship we base our choice on which couple appeals to us most, consciously and subconsciously. Thus in this vein of argument, that makes all the "supporting facts" moot and meaningless since they're all needled out precisely BECAUSE we like that ship.

Our eyes see what they want to see. Example: look at this image. The direction of the lady's rotation depends on our mind. (Trust me, the image is NOT rigged to switch between rotations. Both rotations can be seen.) Likewise, if one support Zutara, then even a simple look between the two people can mean things like "I wish we weren't enemies so then we can get together" This kind of mind-affecting-what-we-interpret thing is present in all shippings which is why all ships are banned. But, as the Zutarians themselves said, Zutara has a huge fan base, so naturally the loudest fuss was by the Zutarians and then it seemed like all the fireballs were directed to the Zutara ship. But in actual fact it's just a blockade to all ships and NO fireballs.--Secretss (talk) 19:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
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That giant picture.

Is there any way to shrink that giant picture of Katara waterbending right before the relationships section? It's a little big. I think it should either be made smaller or deleted entirely. Raven23 14:55, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

I deleted it, we don't need another picture of her waterbending. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 15:35, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Katara=celebant?

I've noticed this for a while, and well...in what language? Japanese, French, or what? Momoroxmysoxoff 21:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

• • I know, I've personally checked everywhere, it seems that it was taken off a webpage that talked about the ATLA names' origins. The person who said it first didn't say from which language it derived from. Jammity 00:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Justin is starting to take up way too much of my time

Okay, for the past day, on a practically non-stop basis, a bunch of users have repeatedly added a section to Katara's page about Justin, the new character who's going to be introduced next season as Aang's Firebending teacher, Katara's love interest, and Aang's brother (Yes, Aang's brother). They offer no source, not even a fan-run and unreliable web-site, and repeatedly claim the creators have foreshadowed him, without explaining how, where, or when.

Now I have reverted no less than twenty of these things, probably a lot more, and it's just starting to get irritating. This isn't the normal fluff, this is the exact same thing over and over again, posted by the same users even after they've been told why they shouldn't be posting it, and I'm at whits end.

It's popped up in other articles as well (Added to the "Main Characters" section on the main Avatar page, added to Aang's page, too), but Katara is where they keep dropping it back in. Isn't there some way this can be prevented? JBK405 01:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Has Nick.com verifed this Justin guy? DJ66.45.175.101 07:29, 29 December 2006 (UTC) Could it be Kuzon? Aang did say he was from the Fire Nation and his best friend and if this "Justin" Person is to be Aang's "brother" he'd have to be over 100 years old. Personally, I think they are talking about someone related to Zuko. DJ66.45.175.101 07:32, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

...No, DJ. It's a loser trying to put his fan character on Wikipedia. It's not real. Seriously, what kind of Avatar character, which features East-Asian and Hindu-inspired names, would be named "Justin"? Plus, there are way too many fanfiction cliches for it to be feasible. A Firebending teacher for Aang who's really his long-lost brother and also his rival for Katara's love? Come on... Y BCZ 04:21, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for clearing that up. DJ66.45.175.110 23:58, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Aang's brother wouldn't be a firebender, anyways. How would two brothers be from different nations? Bagpipeturtle 21:16, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's actually possible depending on whether bending is based to genetics or not...but let's not get into that discussion now. -Dylan0513 23:51, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

That made me laugh so hard! thats rediculous. I mean, is Justin a Asian name? I dont think so. And why Aang's brother be a firebeder?

Fatal Wound?

Several times in this article it claims that Aang died from Azula's lightning attack and that Katara raised him from the dead with the spring water. Where is there ever any evidence that Aang died in the first place? He was just seriously injured. TwilightxPrince 01:43, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

People point to the dramatic gasp Aang made when Katara healed him, which is almost universally used in TV and movies to signify somebody coming back from the dead, and the image of his spirit fading away in the Avatar State spirit thingy, but truly we don't know. Nobody said "He's dead," "That was a lethal attack," "He's not breathing," or anything else like that. There's no evidence to say that Aang died (Although personally I think he was at least really close, if not actually dead), and all we can do is just revert these "He's dead" edits. JBK405 01:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

• The official Nickolodeon site says that Aang was mortally wounded...but I would like to point out that that site isn't totally reliable, at least with Avatar. Ex: In the Crossroads of Destiny episode summary, it says that the following happened when Aang and Zuko fought, just before he went into the Avatar State: "Zuko announces, 'It's over, Avatar. It's always been my destiny to capture you.' Aang responds, 'You've got your destiny...and I've got mine.'"--nick.com. However, that didn't happen in the show...so I don't really know if the information about the mortal wound is reliable.Arowen Half-Elven 02:39, 3 January 2007 (UTC)Arowen Half-Elven

72.67.221.108 03:03, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

A mortal wound means you're going to die of it but that for the instance you're still alive. It's not sudden death but a longer process. The wound may have been mortal and caused a certain death for Aang without Katara's action. He was in the process of dying before Katara brought him back. -- Frederik, 5 December 2007, 10:35.

What about when, Aang said to Katara "I wasn't just hurt, it was more than that..."? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.251.54.223 (talk) 00:34, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I think that was along the lines comparing say, crushing your fingers, verses getting a cuncussion...Dragon queen4ever (talk) 01:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Nobility

Just wondering, since Hakoda is the leader of the Southern Water Tribe, Sokka was right in saying he was sorta like a prince. Does that make Katara and Sokka something akin to noblitiy? DJ168.212.126.53 15:15, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

God I wish there was a raised eyebrow emote. /:-\ That'll work. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 15:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Hakoda seems to be more of the commanding officer rather than the chief, all we've seen him do so far is command the warriors. I'll grant that he likely commanded the civilians, too, most tribe systems have the warrior chief rule the rest of the tribe, especially since we didn't see any other form of government in the opening episode, but it's not definite yet.JBK405 17:07, 11 December 2006 (UTC) But it'll still put them at a rank like a noble at least right? DJ66.45.175.101 04:28, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

...No. Have the various uses of the term "peasant" in reference to Sokka and Katara not made that clear?Y BCZ 05:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

The only people who've called them peasants have been Zuko, who was being a jackass at the time, and Hahn, who was a jackass all the time. They're not reliable sources and, though Sokka also referred to himself as a "Southern Peasant," he himself pointed out that the Suuthern Tribe in general was more primitive than the northern tribe, technologically and culturally. It's not definite that they're peasantry.

However, Devil's Advocate aside, there's also been nothing to imply tht they're southern nobility, either; no reference to a southern king, or even a southern chief. We need to know that nobility exists before we give it to them. JBK405 05:09, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

But it can be assumed that they (their father and them and grandmother) hold a high ranking position within the tribe's, though limited, heirarchy. DJZutara and Taang FOREVER 15:06, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

How can that be assumed? Gran Gran is the oldest member of the tribe, age is often equated with wisdom, and Hakoda is supposedly the best warrior, the best warrior is usually looked to for leadership. Neither have to have any official position to receive the respect they are awarded, there's still no proof that there's a nobility of any kind in the south, and proof is what we need. JBK405 20:27, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

It seems logical. DJ168.212.126.128 15:27, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

So does a lot of stuff, without any source or evidence it's just conjecture and supposition. JBK405 23:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I ask this question to my mom and she told me that in a tribe, the best warrior was the leader. Since Hakoda is the best warrior he's the leader. Meaning his children, hold high ranking postitions. And in the first two episodes, Kana seemed to be IN CHARGE of things. There was some form a hieracrchy, Hakoda was clearly the leader of the Souther Water Tribe in some way. Its clear by his fancy tent in the Guru and how the other warriors treated Sokka. Plus, if you follow the lines of an epic hero, Sokka and Katara have to be somehow tied into the noble class otherwise it won't work. And I have compared Avatar to that following and come to the conclusions that Zuko, Katara, Sokka, Toph and Aang call fit the key point of being someone of the noble class. (Aang- heck he's the Avatar! Also, don't say anything bad about my mother. I breathe FIRE!) They also fit the point of having some sort of unique power. Zuko, Katara, Toph, and Aang are all benders, and Sokka is really handing with a boomerang and really smart for his character. DJ66.45.175.101 07:06, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I do not say this as an insult, but your mother is hardly a viable resource. Hakoda's a pretty important figure in the South Pole, and he's the warriors' leader. But this in no way makes him their chief. Note that Yue actually received a title, as did her father. However, no-one ever addressed Katara or Sokka as Princess or Prince (with the exception of Katara's sarcastic remark). The way Bato acted around Hakoda seems to indicate that there's hardly a sense of nobility about him (would you have elbowed a tribal chief just to get his attention quietly?). So basically, we can't be sure, and there's way too much information going against this for us to conclude that Hakoda is considered nobility. Y BCZ 04:18, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

A lot of things I know about Avatar come from my MOTHER, you safysarkalkor! If there isn't any formality among them, then I'm sure people would elbow their tribal cheif! Besides, only Kana and Bato have actually talked to them. (There seems to be an isolation between the S. Water Tribe and N. Water Tribe) Look at Pochatonas she was a princess but she didn't have a bloody title. So, excuse me while I go bask in my "irgnorance" but I think there is a strong chance of them being royalty or at least high up on the totem pole. And by the way, I do take that as an insult. DJ Zutara and Taang FOREVER!66.45.175.110 00:03, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Pocahontas' father was a cheif, therefore, she has nobility. Momoroxmysoxoff 00:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

If Katara and Sokka were considered nobility for the reasons your mother said, how would you cite that source? And, no offence, but parents don't know everything. Your's don't, mine don't. Nobody's do. It's a fact of life. Sokka was just trying to impress Yue by saying he wasn't just some Southern peasant, nothing more than that. Bagpipeturtle 05:35, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Sheesh, you just can't reason with some people. Look DJ, if you're unwilling to discuss things in a rational and calm manner, we're not gonna listen to your input. That's something I've had to learn the hard way on Wikipedia, and it's something you have to learn too. Calling people "safysarkalkor" (whatever the hell that means, I looked it up several times and found nothing, but I believe that's meant as an insult, in which I case I don't give a rat's buttocks about whether you feel insulted by my comments or not) won't get anything done. And I never said you were ignorant, so there. I don't honestly CARE what you think at this point unless you have cold hard facts to back it up with. That goes for your opinions on this royalty matter, and your relentless desire to defend your ship when there's really no need to. Speculation just plain doesn't belong on Wikipedia, hence why I've invited you to a forum so you can voice your opinions freely. Please stop acting so defensive and taking these things personally. Y BCZ 06:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

My brother just recently bought a book based on Avatar. (The title is Water: The Lost Scrolls.) The book says that according to tradition, the Water Tribes have tribal leaders, and the one for the North Pole, Arnook, is already somebody we know that is guaranteed nobility. However, it says in the book that the leader for the Southern Water Tribe is Hakoda, Sokka and Katara's father. The idea of them being royalty is an interesting one, but judging by the way that the Southern Water Tribe lives, there probably isn't much chance that Katara and Sokka will be treated like royalty until Pakku and the other waterbenders are finished restoring it. 72.67.221.108 03:29, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Of course being a "chief" does not always guarantee nobility. The chief can be chief because of his personal capability or be elected. Being chief doesn't necessary mean its an hereditary function bestowing nobility. -- frederik, 5 december 2007,10:40.

Relationdhip with Ty Lee

Ty Lee is on the list of Relationships for Katara and this has been bugging me. Katara and Ty Lee has had little character interaction. Katara mentioned Ty Lee's power is no different than let's say, Sokka mentioning Zuko's firebending skill. And, the fact that Katara called Ty Lee a circus freak barely constitues for a relationship. User:Lionheart08

I seem to remember that Katara said she is scared of Ty Lee and her ability to take away a person's bending. Unless my brain is messing with me, then that seems signifigant enough to have a section about their relationship. I agree a little bit, but if Katara really is scared of Ty Lee, then I think the section should stay. Bagpipeturtle 05:38, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Wow, I contradict myself a lot. Bagpipeturtle 05:38, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it should just be removed altogether. Sure, Katara is scared of Ty Lee, but that doesnt really mean they have a relationship... Bagpipeturtle 04:14, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

The question for each relationship is this "How has this character's personality, ability, etc. been affected by character X?" If character X has not changed the person or affected their behavior in any way than the relationship is not worth mentioning. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 05:30, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Hence why Momo is only mentioned as having a relationship with Aang and Appa...otherwise he plays no role in the story (damn useless lemur...). Also why the relationship between Sokka and Zuko was taken out of their pages- sure Sokka and Zuko fought the show's first battle, and Sokka openly expresses the fact that he hates Zuko on several occasions, but they don't affect each other much. However, Ty Lee seemed to have some effect on Katara for a couple of episodes. Quite simply, she elicited some behavior from Katara that isn't seen all that often, just as Jin elicited behavior from Zuko that isn't seen all that often. I think it merits the section. Y BCZ 05:41, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Categorie

Since when Katara is a fictional character with telekinesis? 201.17.63.235 17:03, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Telekinesis is the ability to manipulate external matter with your mind, which she's got (Waterbending). JBK405 19:13, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Then all the other benders in the show must be listed as fictional characters with telekinesis. Telekinesis as you said is the ablity manipulate matter with your mind, that would incluse matter in general, not only water, unless you consider Katara's telekinesis a highly specialized form of telekinesis. 201.17.63.235 16:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

All the other benders? Not quite. Fire isn't matter.--Fyre2387 ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:05, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Kinda is, fire is plasma isn't it? Plasma is some meta state of matter or something similar if I recall. Anyway, telekinesis moves matter in general, Katara only moves water, so I don't think it should say she's a telekineticist, an hydrokineticist maybe, but the -kinesis powers were removed, considered neo-logism.

Fire is matter. Matter is anything that has mass and takes up space. If you stick your hand in a fireplace, the flames and your hand aren't in the same place, so it takes up space, and I'm pretty sure fire has mass. Fire is sort of a weird mixute of plasma, gas, and solids (thats what it says on the wikipedia, anyways), so fire is matter. Yeah. And I just thoroughly confused myself. Whatever. Bagpipeturtle 04:23, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't think the telekinesis category is appropriate, actually. It suggests that she is able to manipulate all matter, not just water, with her mind. Katara's abilities are covered with the "heal", "manipulate water", and "manipulate ice or cold" categories. The telekinesis category is redundant and misleading, and if no one objects I'll remove it tomorrow. --Herald Alberich 05:51, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

The profile image

I've seen people try to change the main image ([4]) to two different things recently: [5] and [6]. Please stop doing so until you get consent on this page, as obviously there are people who object to this action. The first image needs proper sourcing, while I personally feel the second one is inappropriate- the art on the DVDs is nice, but not the best work to provide profile images of the characters from, as the style is far different from that of the show. Y BCZ 01:31, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't like either of those two images either, but I especially despise the current one. Now I'm not going to suggest a specific one, but I suggest you read the "licensing" tag on the current image. All it pretty says is "this is a screenshot, it should be good". None of the other screenshots on the page have any sort of "legitimate licensing" tag on them, yet they are prominently displayed without you or anyone else attempting to remove them for fair use breach.

Essentially, any screenshot would be an appropriate image, since any and every screenshot fulfills the current "licensing" tag. I mean, the image was just freaking taken from Firebender.com... not exactly anything official about that site. So any other image from any other unaffiliated site would fall under the exact same jurisdiction. Therefore, there is no reason to favor this one over any other screenshot.

Now, if with enough time no one does anything about that profile picture, then I may have to do it myself. Anyone who wishes to dispute that action please mention so here before I do anything, as I will take your argument into consideration. Sage of Ice 01:55, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it's time we discuss what a profile picture is. A profile picture should have the characer in a neutral pose. Main emphasis should be on the face but some of the body should also be shown. Since this an animated show it should show how they look in their current art style. The only character in the image should be the character in question and they should be it's focal point, not the tree in the background. Their expression should be their normal expression (exp: Aang is almost always happy while Mai almost never smiles). I'm sure there is more but that's all I got. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 05:56, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Then the current one definitely isn't neutral, XD. I don't like the one we have right now at all. I don't like the art either, but the first new one mentioned is good. I'll start looking for one too. -Dylan0513 12:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I can't find a much better image than the Katara03 pic. If someone knew which episode it was from I could find it on my itunes, get it without the logos and crop it. -Dylan0513 16:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

And you call yourself a fan. Dylan you are hereby demoted to common Lackie. That picture is from Fortuneteller. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 06:28, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Really? Damn, I don't have it then. Hopefully I'll get S1 soon. Oh, I see how that's from the fortuneteller. I would have never though of that, XD. -Dylan0513 11:55, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

If and/or when we get a new profile inmage, it should be from book 2. We should tr to make sure it isn't one, from the first few episodes. I think someone pointed out that the characters' looks have slightly changed (i don't remember where...) not to mention her outfit. Momoroxmysoxoff 22:16, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Good point, the animation HAS changed drastically between early book 1 and now. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 22:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

For now I'm going to get the Fortuneteller one. If there's another better one, I need an episode and maybe a general timeframe within the episode. We're going to have to replace all the character pictures in season 3 anyway when everyone gets new hairstyles so I don't think there's much of a difference between seasons 1 and 2. -Dylan0513 22:23, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

• Well, here's[7] the big fat and ugly one (works with about 180px) and here's[8] the small beautiful one that wikipedia doesn't like so it's not really working. We changing the pic? -Dylan0513 23:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Wait, the small one is working. So they both look pretty good with about 180px maybe a little bigger. Maybe a width change. -Dylan0513 23:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Why are both of those so pixelated? H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 23:49, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Because the small one gets it when it goes big and the opposite for the big. In it's original state, the small one isn't pixilated at all, or at least it shouldn't be. -Dylan0513 23:57, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I know what happened. The small one got pixilated when I saved it as a JPEG. Are we going to use one of them or not? The current one's pretty pixilated anyway. -Dylan0513 21:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

• We switching or not? C'mon people, we've got other characters to go to. -Dylan0513 03:34, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't like the new one...it's better quality, but it shows her without her necklace, which is shown to be important to her character several times in the first season. Y BCZ 06:13, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

But she looks so much better in it, XD. Why don't we put Giancarlo Volpe's (Director) picture of Katara as the profile image? [9]XD! Yeah, he surprisingly has a devianart account. -Dylan0513 13:19, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

That was made by the director? Didn't know that...though I had seen it before. Anyways, there's more to choosing the picture than how good it looks. It has to capture the character's personality and important features. Having an image of Katara without her necklace is like having an image of Zuko that doesn't show his scar, or of Aang that doesn't show his arrow. If we're gonna change the image, I'd go with something like this [10], though the lighting isn't quite proper in that specific case. Or maybe this one [11]. You see what I'm talking about? Y BCZ 21:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Oy, she loks retarded in both of those, XD. Yeah, I know what you mean. So do we just wait until season 3 and when all the character's looks change or keep looking for a better picture? -Dylan0513 21:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, this is my suggestion: [12]. I think it's the best choice until season 3 rolls around. She's not in her snow suit, her necklace is visible, and she looks good - optimistic, like she usually is. It also has the Nick logo for good measure. So what do we think? Sage of Ice 00:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I like that one. Shows Katara's character very well. -Robert25 00:46, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Everything's good in that except the Nick logo. I say yes. -Dylan0513 00:59, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

You can barely tell it's there though. H2P ^{(Yell at me for what I've done)} 02:51, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, it is. But it doesn't matter much. It's only temporary anyway. -Dylan0513 03:07, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

The Nick logo is visible in Azula's, Iroh's, Aang's, and the current Katara image too though. And it's far more prominent on any of those than in this one. What do we decide? Shall I upload? Sage of Ice 03:24, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Looks great, nice find. I say go for it. Y BCZ 03:43, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

And the deed is done! Come one, come all and meet the new profile picture! Sage of Ice 04:36, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

• I completely agree with this but just to note: Nick logos aren't a good thing and if I had the time and patience I'd take all of them off all the pictures with itunes. -Dylan0513 12:11, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

That would be a hell of a task. Almost every single image we have displayed shows the Nick logo, profile and non-profile. I don't necessarily see how it's a bad thing though (unless it's a noticeable obstruction). The presence of the logo ensures credit and ownership are evident where it's due, which we know is a pretty important thing on Wikipedia. Sage of Ice 02:20, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

It does take away from the picture. Whether slightly or largely, it's still best not to have it there. -Dylan0513 11:49, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

OKay! I found the perfect picture right here(http://screenshots.avatarspiritmedia.net/015/142.jpg) its from the season 3 promo, and it shows a close up of her face in fire nation garb. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.81.193.186 (talk) 15:24, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

Wow yeah, that pic is so different from the current one, but it really is how she's like most of the time in book 3. She's gotten so frowny lately, I've forgotten she could smile like that in the current profile pic =x --Secretss (talk) 19:42, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Name

There's only a single letter different between Katara and avatar and basicly the same order.71.65.34.160 02:11, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Yea, The K and the V are different. Wait, so what? -Dylan0513 02:39, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't really see how this is applicable. Bagpipeturtle 03:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Why is she smiling?

This is a really pointless question but i have to ask someone's opinion. In Siege of the North Part 1, when Zuko and Katara are fighting and Katara is wrapping Zuko in a giant ice ball, when she is finished she is narrowing her eyes and smiling in an almost Azula-like way. What do you think? (Is this forum material cuz is have something to do with her rlationship w/ Zuko and her attitude.)

Perhaps she was realing just how far she came along with water bending. Also, just to let you know, this isn't meant to be a forum, and people generally frown upon these type topics. Unless it has to do with ways to improve the page, you shouldn't make these type of topics. Lionheart08 22:20, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm going to regret this...

I know I'm going to regret bringing this up. I just know it.

But in an all-Avatar magazine I saw the other day (I'm almost positive it was from Nick, but I'd have to check again), it said in an article that Katara was going to end up with either Zuko or Aang.

Not just hinted. Not neither. Printed right there, that she would end up with one or the other. A quote from the writers of the series.

So, yeah. Is this notable enough to be mentioned, or should we just wait to find out what happens? Raven23 03:04, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

We should wait for confirmation within the series before posting anything. ~MegaZilla~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.242.21.225 (talk) 13:05, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Position

Just a quick question. Master Pakku deemed her a Waterbending Master, didn't he? Shouldn't her position be changed from Waterbender to Waterbending Master to reflect that? Lanate 04:50, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Section on Waterbending progress

While I agree that Katara's page should have a section on her progessing abilities as a Waterbender, why not a backstory on her role and actions in the three seasons? All of the other character pages have a backstory for each character's story and past actions, and I suggest that such a section be restored while Waterbending progress remain in a separate, somewhat shorter section.76.24.145.157 (talk) 20:31, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

You are right and wrong, one the progress should be shortened, you are right about that. But you are wrong when you say it needs a plot section, seeing as anything important that she has done has been bending related. Rau J16 20:46, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

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Image?

Why is there a whole "Image" category? And why in it does it say "Ba Sing Sé"? It is spelled "Ba Sing Se", It says it in the Title "Tales of Ba Sing Se". Mew Mitsuki 21:28, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Seriously, why is this here? I think this is more of a fan creation than actual news/noteworthy information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.247.36.168 (talk) 19:08, 12 November 2007 (UTC)