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[edit] Speedy deletion of TrackerSuite.Net

A tag has been placed on TrackerSuite.Net, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read our the guidelines on spam as well as the Wikipedia:Business' FAQ for more information.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. ukexpat (talk) 21:36, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi. I deleted it as spam because it read to me as a promotional piece written by a PR rep. "TrackerSuite.Net applications are modular, providing organizations some flexibility in the solutions they deploy." was one of the first sentences I read. It needs some verifiable, reliable sources so as to affirm its notability.
"The HR module, Personnel Tracker.Net, is required in any configuration of TrackerSuite.Net applications." made it read like a manual. What are the criticisms of the software.
Oh and listing other articles doesn't help, read WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS for a reason why! If you want the text of an article restored to a WP:SUBPAGE, I would be happy to do that. Woody (talk) 23:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Enough quality references to indicate it's notability; usually two or three. I was talking about restoring it to a personal subpage such as User:KarsKormak/TrackerSuite which is allowed under WP policy. Once it is finished, you could ask another admin to take a look and then move it into mainspace. It just needs to be written from a neutral point of view, which was my problem. The way it read to me, was that it was a "puff" piece, or a piece of advertisement for a company. From your note on my talkpage, I understand that was not your intention. Woody (talk) 12:36, 12 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Tracker Suite Dashboard.gif

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[edit] Orphaned non-free media (Image:Tracker Suite Dashboard.gif)

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[edit] Orphaned non-free media (Image:TrackerOffice Dashboard.gif)

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[edit] Spam in Tracker (Business Software)

Hello, this is a message from an automated bot. A tag has been placed on Tracker (Business Software), by another Wikipedia user, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. The tag claims that it should be speedily deleted because Tracker (Business Software) is blatant advertising for a company, product, group, service or person that would require a substantial rewrite in order to become an encyclopedia article.

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[edit] Tracker

I deleted the article because it didn't assert how and why the subject is notable enough to be included in Wikipedia. Writing an article about a company or product you are personally involved in is strongly discouraged: it creates a conflict of interest which makes it very hard to write a neutral article. AecisBrievenbus 22:28, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

The mentions were either passing mentions, or the sources were not reliable under Wikipedia standards for reliable sources. If you disagree with the deletion though, you may request a deletion review. If you need help with this, leave me a message on my talk page and I'll help you out. AecisBrievenbus 22:53, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
I'll be very straight-forward with you: I stand by my deletion, as I felt that the article did not make clear how and why the subject was notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia, but I also acknowledge that you make some valid points. For this reason, I actually prefer the input of uninvolved editors, so I will request a review of the deletion myself. I will provide you with a link to the discussion when I have requested the review. AecisBrievenbus 00:41, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
I have requested a deletion review at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 January 29#Tracker (Business Software). AecisBrievenbus 00:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned non-free media (Image:Automation Centre Logo.gif)

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[edit] Orphaned non-free media (Image:TrackerSuite.Net Project Dashboard.gif)

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[edit] Tracker (Business Software) sub page

I have created a sub page for testing purposes: KarsKormak/Tracker (business software).

You did not do that quite right - I moved it to a user subpage at User:KarsKormak/Tracker --ukexpat (talk) 17:55, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
Responding to your message on my talk page - you have it almost right:
  1. Create a link in subpage off my Talk User page, such as User:KarsKormak/MyTestPage - yes, anything after the slash in User:Username/ is a subpage (note the difference between your user page and your user talk page - ie this page)
  2. Click the link to open the new page - the easiest way is to go to your user page and edit the address box in your browser to add /nameofsubpage then hit enter - you will be taken straight to the edit page
  3. Edit away

--ukexpat (talk) 18:58, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Speedy deletion of KarsKormak/Tracker (business software)

A tag has been placed on KarsKormak/Tracker (business software) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is an article with no content whatsoever, or whose contents consist only of external links, "See also" section, book reference, category tag, template tag, interwiki link, rephrasing of the title, or an attempt to contact the subject of the article. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. ukexpat (talk) 17:58, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

The above was an automatic message generated after I tagged the page for deletion after I blanked it and moved it to your user subpage, see above. --ukexpat (talk) 17:59, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Tracker AFD

Following the recent deletion review for Tracker (Business Software), my speedy deletion of the article was (rightfully) overturned. The review also made clear, however, that there was some discussion about the notability of the subject and the neutrality of the article. I have therefore moved the article to WP:AFD, to request further input from the community. You are invited to join the discussion there, at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tracker (Business Software). AecisBrievenbus 20:44, 3 February 2008 (UTC)


Sorry about removing the info box on Tracker (Business Software). Fosnez (talk) 20:28, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Tracker (business software)

Hello, thanks for your comments on my talk page. You mention that the article was "already reviewed by admins and approved for inclusion in Wikipedia". I tried to make clear the purpose of my edit in the edit summary, but I guess I didn't do a good enough job. I read through the AFD, the DRV, and the past deletions to get an idea of what was going on. AFD/DRV were able to determine the notability of the article, but you hit it right on in your comment to me that in it's past state the article wasn't much more than a product sheet, which to me is synonymous with advertising. Wikipedia articles aren't about features lists or product offerings, they are about bringing together neutral, third-party-verified information about topics. As I'm sure you've seen I rearranged the page a little more since. I have no problem with the screenshots or product names & descriptions, so I tried several things which display that information in a little bit more standard Wikipedia. (Also, this is minor, but Wikipedia admins are no different in terms of article approval than any other editor. I am also an admin, but that just gives me the ability to work on more technical aspects of the project).

You are welcome to expand on the article as it is now, but it would be preferable to do it by gathering information from the many third-party sources listed. The article is very well sourced, but not very much of that information is brought into the article.

As for the List of project management software, with such a relatively short list, it is inappropiate to have several links to the same family of products. I don't know a way would satisfy your concern, other than to suggest to put the link in the best place you see fit. In the future, it might be worthwhile listing separately the desktop and the web-based products, but not while there is only enough information for one article. Again, please remember the primary focus of Wikipedia (see What Wikipedia is not), which is to bring neutral information, not advertising or promoting. -- Renesis (talk) 18:20, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't say I'd object to a component list, it is feature lists that I think are tacky and inappropriate. As far as the list of PM software, I still think that wouldn't work right now, because they link to the same page and they don't warrant separate articles. If that changes, as in, the article grows to a point with valuable, neutral, info that warrants a second article, then it could be linked. Even Microsoft Project Server, by a company with hundreds of articles, doesn't have a link on that page. -- Renesis (talk) 19:12, 8 February 2008 (UTC)