Talk:Karpman drama triangle

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Contents 1 Transactional Analysis 2 Theory Widely Acknowledged? 3 Terrible example in article 4 Is this for real?

[edit] Transactional Analysis

Is it legitimate to translate the roles of Persecutor, Rescuer and Victim to the TA ego states of Parent, Adult and Child. I have studied the example arguement and feel that the red (Persecutor) sentences appear to be of the Parent State. The blue (Rescuer) sentences apear Adult And the Green (Victim) ones Child like.

Is this translation justifiable, or am I wrong? NinjaKid 13:30, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I think the roles are always changing,its just important to notice whats going on when it happens.After a long time of using those types of interactions-they seem very normal,but not emotionally fulfilling.kimmee42@msn.com

NO!!! the Persecutor, Rescuer and Victim are all dysfunctional positions...people playing roles that are limiting of one's true potential for good...the Adult on the other hand is a phenomenon of one's personality that integrates the child and parent pheonomena with the possibility of making good decisons..................decisions that are good for the individual, and more important, good for the group. The persecutor can only act selfishly...and one can usually argue that the rescuer and victim are reactive, also in selfish ways...

what is confusing is that the ADULT can act like a perpetrator, and by acting too much like a the "bad" parent.......the adult can also act like a rescuer by acting too much like the "good" parent, and the victim, powerless and vulnerable, can act like a child. But the parent, adult and child of TA are INTERNAL, intrapsychic phenomena, whereas the perpetrator, rescuer and victim are interpersonal roles, and interpersonal phenomena. sjschicago----

[edit] Theory Widely Acknowledged?

Can someone please provide evidence for this assertion? TA has been roundly criticised as "pop psychology", so I find this statement hard to believe. Also, the word "acknowledged" is dubious since it tacitly connotes that the theory has been widely accepted, when it's possible the theory is simply widely mentioned in the context of derision. 72.78.7.69 23:10, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Terrible example in article

I realize it's a side issue, but the example of the welfare agency and worker as rescuers malevolently perpetuating dependence on the system is ABSURD in the US, where since the PRWORA law some 15 years ago, the legally required goal of welfare agencies and workers has been to prevent, shorten or break dependency; and the performance of states, county welfare departments and individual caseworkers is judged on how many people they get OFF aid, sometimes with little regard to the consequences for the families affected. (In the US context, the word "welfare" refers to family income support.) How about an example that doesn't perpetuate false and damaging stereotypes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.213.193.159 (talk) 17:26, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Is this for real?

I'm not a psychology student, but this whole example sounds less like science and more like political POV. Since a better example has been added, this should probably be removed. Open for other views though.

There may be subtle or overt pressure from her agency not to have too many successful clients. Threatening to cut off benefits to obviously lazy or selfish clients would be frowned on -- even if or especially if such tactics resulted in clients suddenly finding gainful employment after years of dependency.

--- Arancaytar - avá artanhé (reply) 10:46, 17 May 2008 (UTC)