Talk:Karnivool
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[edit] '96 or '98?
In the history it says they were formed in 1998, but the Years Active in the side bit says 1996. Can someone find out which one it is please? GoodOrEvil 08:37, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Check their website, haven't been there in a while, but it might offer some clues. Watto the jazzman 04:45, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Past members
Should a section about new and past members be added? Ray Hawking and Mark Hosking spring to mind.
Also whether or not Drew should have ultimate control should be raised. I am not saying his edits are bad, Actually I agree with them, but a band member probably shouldn't write their own article.
- No-one has "ultimate control" on Wikipedia - when you create an article you agree that it can and will be edited. --WikiSlasher 14:12, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
- Yeah. I concur - no one has ultimate control. And still, who would know more about a band than the lead singer? If you're worried about subjectivity, just watch out for it, and edit accordingly. LukeST 11:26, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Genre?
According to Encyclopaedia Metallum, this band is "Groove Metal". And EM is usually the best source regarding this... http://metal-archives.com/band.php?id=22879 --81.31.233.38 19:50, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
WTF is groove metal??! These guys are prog rock. They're kinda like Tool (but better IMHO. At least you can understand what Kenny is singing about unlike Maynard 'Mumbles' Keenan). This is an awful wiki entry and could be so much better. I look forward to watching it develop (hopefully?). Also looking forward to seeing Karnivool get the worldwide recognition they deserve. They're the best band I've ever heard from Perth. Can't wait for the follow up to Themata.. certainly going to be hard to beat :)
Also - Just so its clear EM makes a couple of mistakes, they said the self titled EP was done in 1998, its done in 1999. They also go on to say that Persona was on Sic, it's also been distributed through MGM. They also list Anthrax and Lamb of God as being "Groove metal" - though both do get other tags as well. Finally, if you check out en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groove_metal you'll see that post thrash (which EM calls meshuggah) and "groove metal" are supposedly one and the same. I don't feel like Karnivool sounds at all like Meshuggah in any song except Scarabs really - and even there its very different (much less complicated and choppy, helluva lot less technical etc). Thats all. Thanks for your time. --Crashvirus 14:37, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Although I agree the groove metal thing, I do not quite agree with the pure prog rock label. They are very like Tool, and the Butterfly Effect, but I would also say they were melodic rock. Various reviews and magazines describe them as meloldic rock, and that was my initial reaction too. Watto the jazzman 03:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Kinda hard to give them a good hearing when they've only got the one full-length album though... New stuff (live) sounds very different though. Crashvirus 14:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Melodic Rock + Progressive Rock + Awesome! Watto the jazzman 07:33, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
A thought concerning prog metal and melodic rock has recently occured to me: Is it possible that a clear distinction between prog metal and melodic prog metal exists? A few suggestions come to mind:
1. That a) progressive metal mainly uses notes of a minor chord with dominant sevenths and b) melodic progressive metal uses major chords as well as other strange and wonderful chords
2. That a) progressive metal is based mainly on instrumental performance and b) in melodic progressive metal vocals play a big part?
Both of these seem to work if we take Karnivool as a Melodig prog metal band and Tool as an everyday prog metal band.
I don't know if any of this helps to define Karnivool's genre or if it is anywhere close to being correct but it might be. Does anyone agree? Watto the jazzman 09:17, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi - I don't think I often see bands called "melodic" progressive metal as such... Because I think that for a band to be a progressive metal band (Dream Theater or Sym X for example) - I think they have to have some kind of component of melody. Rather than just the whacky time signatures of a band like Meshuggah, who definately aren't progressive in the same kind of sense.
I'd said before - I think a 2nd album will make them a bit easier to give a tag to, because they've got a more defined sound by then. In the mean time, some kind of qualification saying a mix of (like is on the page) seems to be pretty good! Crashvirus 14:26, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. Where does it seem they are they going with their sound, by the way? Watto the jazzman 04:44, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
I think more of a "conventional" prog kind of sound. The two new songs they've performed live (New Day and an untitled track which features Drew on the mandolin) Sound a little bit like Tool in parts, have odd time signatures more prominent and generally seem more like something that wants to be played live, as opposed to say Synops which is pretty heavy on the samples and effects (as far as I can tell they don't play it live)... New Day also clocks in at something over 8 minutes.
Damn good songs though. Very much their own and i'm (if it wasn't hideously obvious by now) looking forward to more tracks soon hopefully. Crashvirus 09:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Mexico
Deleted Mexico from the list of places Themata is gonna be released. Mexico is North America. Anthr4x 04:06, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Extra Information for Article
What else should go in?
Should the Discography include the forthcoming CD and DVD?
Also should there be a list of videos? (Lifelike, shutterspeed & themata)
Any suggestions would rock. Crashvirus 16:22, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Dude, if you know all that stuff, then by all and any means, add it. Watto the jazzman (talk) 05:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Couple of problems
The quote about major influences - in the bieler brothers hotseat article or maybe something earlier Drew also mentions devin townsend... But the nirvana/carcass part was because a few people who were/are in the band played in a cover band which performed these songs. I don't think it's really in the right context exactly.
Something should be mentioned about the Gotye cover they did - "the only way" got released on the mixed blood CD on the 15th of this month.
Also - There isn't a roquefort single I don't think. 211.30.173.135 14:35, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
One more - I swear lol. I thought the tuning for the guitar was a bit of an ode to Devin Townsend, who uses CGCGCE (Open C maj tuning) - and BF#BGBE is almost a B minor open tuning... With an added 11th in there or something? 211.30.173.135 15:24, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
Heh heh, I added the cover of The Only Way before I read this comment. No, that influences bit is a bit out of context, I suppose. You could only really say that if members of the band said that in an interview/website/etc. The tuning similarities between Karnivool and Devin Townswend do look suspiciously similar - but again, a band member would have to come out with it to put it here.
Another problem - there is a bit of ambiguity surrounding the Themata section. (For example, it's hard to tell whether Andrew Goddard wrote the tracks for the entire album or just the song). Watto the jazzman (talk) 06:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
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