Talk:Karluks
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From an Email, I have received
Alex, hello, I am taking advantage of your E-mail offer on your Talk page. Would you please change the name of the Qarluq article from the Qarluq to Karluk. The reasons are as follows:
1. Nobody ever indicated why this funny spelling, whose dialect it tries to emulate, and what's the difference in Qa vs Ka or uk vs uq. 2. In the majority of the modern English publications, as well as in other languages with Latin script the accepted spelling is Karluk. Trying to cite a "Karluk" reference and transforming it to the "Qarluq" spelling creates a nonsensical situation. 3. Googling "Karluk" brings much more results then googling "Qarluq". 4. Googling "Karluk" brings much higher veriety of returns, reflecting the international usage of this spelling, while "Qarluq" in comparison is quite limited to a certain English zone. 5. Karluk as a last name is never spelled Qarluq. Surprisingly, the Karluks continue to carry their remote past, just like, for example, do the Alans and Franks. Have you seen a Frank spelled Phrank or Phrankh or Phranq? 6. I could cite more reasons. Much of the literature is in Russian, with its straightforward Karluk, etc
[edit] Discussion on etymology
I have moved the paragraph on etymology that caused objections to this discussion page, to open it up for discussion, because this paragraph is in sharp conflict with the referenced part of the etymology section:
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- "The name Karluk could be a derivative of Qara[citations needed] (Black) and "-lik" (people of, pertaining to), which literally means "Black folks". It is at different points of time, employed as a label contradistinctive of Sarlik[citations needed], or "Yellow people". The color-label could be arbitrary, or otherwise describing physical characteristics[citations needed] of two different Turkic populations of east asian (black-haired) and yellow-haired features, respectively. Many[citations needed] Turkic confederations, such as the Hunnish ancestors of modern Kazakhs, the Kyrgyz, and the Western Turks employed this black-yellow distinction. This adds to the obscurity regarding the Karluks' true tribal affiliation. The Karluks' indentifying with the color black is perhaps attested in the exaltation of this color-symbol in the Karakhanid state." Barefact 06:33, 12 August 2007 (UTC)