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This is a very BAD translation of the original ( de:Karlsruhe )!! [fixed wikisyntax]

So says someone who writes "eingemeindet" in the English article text.
However, I agree with him that it isn't useful to mention that the Marktplatz was named Adolf-Hitler-Platz for some time. In each German town you can find lengthy cadastre files documenting the renaming of representative places and streets in the 30s and renaming them back in 1945.
--Ikar.us 22:07, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Removed some (not so) "Famous People"

I removed Shluchim Yitzchok Steinmetz and Levi Emmer from Famous People as there is no indication given of what they are supposed to be famous for and they are not in Wikipedia (en). I also checked and they are not in the german de:Karlsruhe page (nor the list of honored citizens nor the list of sons and daughters of Karlsruhe there). Ruhrfisch 15:10, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Population, Airport/Airpark?

It is a bit strange that the population is (a bit) different in the English and German version (due to different sources!?). Furthermore, the distance to Baden Airpark (is it really "park" or "port"? in the German version Baden-Airport is written!) is 30 km in the English version and ~45 km in the German version. Does translation shorten the distance?

Edgar; June, 09, 2006 12:36

There are different population sources listed (English is from the state of Baden-Wurt., German is from the city of Karlsruhe). I would follow the German version here, but if you follow their link to their source it is also a different (lower) number than what is in the article!
I will change the distance to 45 km. FYI, the "Baden Airpark" is the whole former Canadian Air Force base, a part of which is the "Baden Airport". German WP has articles on both Baden Airpark and Baden Airport, English WP seems to just have an article on Baden Airpark. I would stay with Airpark, will try to clarify that too. Ruhrfisch 15:42, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Founding legend?

I'm surprised the article makes no mention of the (probably apocryphal) story how Karlsruhe go its name. I checked the German version which mentions it but doesn't give a source. You'd think this should be amply covered in local histories. ~ trialsanderrors 16:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

That's simple, really. Kalrsuhe is literally "Karl's rest," as it was somewhat of a vacation town for Karl, hence the city being built around his palace. Is there an apocryphal story with an alternate explanation? --BDD 15:44, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Karlsruhe and the Holocaust: CleanupConfusing tag

I have attempted to clean up the "Karlsruhe and the Holocaust" subsection which contained some grammatical errors and one or two unclear or misleading choices of words. I have not done a fact check, but I think that a fact check would be a good idea here because it was not completely clear to me what the original author intended. The German version of this article is a little thin on stuff about the Holocaust unfortunately. Ireneshusband 18:54, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Does "to the east" mean to Poland, to Eastern Europe or to Bavaria? Ireneshusband 19:06, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I think the coverage of the jewish community and of the Holocaust is disproportionate for such a small article about a city. The facts covered are usual for a german city of that time, and none of the other numerous religious minorities are even mentioned. I'm in favor of reducing the two sections to a sentence or two within 'History'. 91.89.7.28 04:20, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

'I don't agree for German reasons', and I think we should add this part of Karlruhe's history over here in Germany too:

"To the East", always signals towards the camps. Although in Baden a huge later transport went to France first and only from there to Auschwitz. Since my mother is from Karlsruhe and told me when I was eight or nine how her girl friends had suddenly disappeared from school, and that the Synagogues burnt in 1938, when she was ten, I was really pleased that Karlruhe did a good job in publishing extensive studies both of the Nazi period and a history of the Jewish community up to 1933. According to the Karlruhe's city archives online blurb, [1], it published both studies, the main influence for research already in the sixties was a Karlruhe major, Guenther Klotz. These people were very rare in the sixties over, most tried to forget and pretend they had not known - the cloak of silence. But in Karlruhe they seemed to have not only reached out to survivors but also to emigrants, making many interviews. In the book about the Nazi period you can trace every person, for many you'll find photos from the city's archive. So the author of the study, the journalist Joseph Werner, had a huge store of informations he could build his work on, and add new reseach and interviews to. Even if some papers seem to have disappeared. [2] [These things still happen.]

We of cause have the lists of the dead listed for every German cities, we Germans are bureaucrats, so you bet we wrote this down, but before these Karlsruhe publications, I had never seen a book were you can trace every single survivor's fate. So my mother found out, that one of her girl friends, who was the daughter of the doctor of my mother's family, had emigrated to the States. Also her second girl friend survived, but she was less lucky, since she lost her father. And this my mother did not remember, strictly she wasn't Jewish at all, since her mother was German and only her father was Jewish German. The couple had divorced, the girl's mother had surrendered to the pressure from the Nazis. The only chance for the man to survive, would have been that his wife would have stood firm by his side, trying to hide him somewhere as she seemed to have hidden her children. It would have been only slightly more risk. But who knows, maybe she knew nobody who would have. ... The father did not survive he was sent to the East, to the camps.

So I don't think, that part should be smaller, and it is an important part of our history. I am baffled that I find nothing about this in Germany.But given a little more time, I may take a closer look at both. Karlsruhe has a memorial for the dead too, with all the names, I believe. Sorry I am tired and I give up proofreading now. LeaNder 20:16, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

There is an offical memorial: Gedenkbuch für die Karlsruher Juden (in German only) and there are several Stolpersteine, see Karlsruhe:Stolpersteine (only in German).
I did no statistics, but "to the east" sounds misleading, many died in Gurs. --Kawana 10:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Maps available

There's a CC-BY-SA 2.0 map you might like on OpenStreetMap. Ojw 18:51, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template:Infobox German Location

Please introduce the Infobox German Location with image. It provides a coherent look among German cities. Lear 21 23:01, 25 April 2007 (UTC)