Talk:Karl Plagge

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Is it certain that he was a Nazi Party member? I know that the BBC article [1] calls him a Nazi, but I took that as a generic usage. My understanding is that regular German military (as opposed to the SS) weren't supposed to be party members. There were exceptions, but this guy doesn't seem like he would be one. -- Randy 14:41, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The author of the book, The Search For Major Plagge was on C-SPAN over the weekend. He said Major Plagge did indeed join the Nazi Party in (I think) 1931. He joined because of the Nazis' economic message, but was disillusioned long before the war.

[edit] May 24 additions

Thanks for today’s additions. I had a little trouble working in the details about the extermination of Lithuania’s Jews, though, because it seemed to be a veer off topic—this article is about Plagge, so focusing too much on peripheral details, however important from other perspectives, is slightly confusing. I eventually settled on breaking that material off into a second paragraph, since it does supply context for the body text.

Schwartzberg: Plagge's significance (historically) is vis-a-vis the extermination of jews in Vilnius.

There is one parenthetic whose significance I don’t understand, and I’ve marked it with the “vague” tag. If you could elucidate what you intend to convey with it, I will try to work that content into the text in an unintrusive manner.

Schwartzberg: will do latter also in reference to your comments below.

The above aside, there is still the issue of attribution. Could you please provide page—line sources for the newly added material? That would greatly enhance the credibility of the article. Thanks, and best regards, Jim_Lockhart 02:35, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

To 87.60.219.70/Mr. Schwartzberg: Thanks for adding to your previous material. I think I now understand what you meant about Jews surviving as a proportion of population, but I’m still not 100% sure. With all due respect, please read my changes carefully before making any alterations—I believe they reflect the intent of the content you added:

• Where I have changed extermination to any other word, I have done so because it was inappropriate as used, not because it was loaded.

Schwartzberg: they were exterminated. Killed is too vague.

• Please check the number of Plagge Jews that the SS managed to murder in the end—over 1,000 seems too high given the other numbers mentioned (1,200 in total, death rate of 80% = 960 killed), so either the “over 1,000” number or the other numbers are off.

Schwartzberg: Excellent critique, will do.

• Please cite sources for your new material, especially dates and numbers.

Schwartzberg: OK - i think this is mainly Plagges letters (especially the one where he uses Camus), and his denazification file which is online, and his military correspondance which is also available online. Generally: my contribution is based only on the evidence.

• One of the web sites linked to in the references section brought up a “no number under that product” message, which is why I deleted the link.
• References are generally presented in bulleted lists in Wikipedia, not enumerated lists. Please don’t revert the bullets.

Thanks and best regards, Jim_Lockhart 08:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Karl Plagge-Cause of Death

I have not been able to confirm the cause of Karl Plagge's death. In my correspondance with Hans Madsen (Plagge's stepson) he refers to Plagge complaining of headaches in his diary during the final year of his life: "Anke has kept her and Karl’s notebooks from 1944 on and most of their correspondence. In Karl’s I see very often remarks concerning “headache” and Anke told me that a lot of tablets were found in his room at the Hessenwerke after his death. Karl died in his bed- Anke tried to cool his front with a wet washrag and he whispered “Anke, Lass!” and he was gone."

I had interpreted this to mean that perhaps he had a brain tumor, but that is quite speculative. Unless one can find a death certificate, I do not know of any good source for this information.

Best Regards, Michaeldg (talk) 21:43, 19 April 2008 (UTC)Michael Good

Fair enough. As long as there is no definite proof as to the cause of death, better keep it neutral. Cheers. Ekki01 (talk) 08:28, 20 April 2008 (UTC)