Talk:Kardam, Prince of Turnovo

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[edit] Merger proposal

I have redirected Prince Boris of Bulgaria to this page because it is a non-notable stub. I will place Boris' info on this page. Charles 14:18, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Why haven't you gone through the appropriate channels and added a merger tag as you know it's controversial. - dwc lr (talk) 14:53, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
Merger tag or not, the only people who show up to dispute it are the same old faces who don't have an argument to stand on. Sorry to say. Charles 15:09, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
First I'd like to thank you for giving other wikipedians a say in the matter very gracious of you. I believe he is worthy of his own article same as other young Princes who are likely to become heads of their respective dynasties Prince Pierre of Orléans, Infante Afonso, Prince of Beira, Prince Constantine Alexios of Greece and Denmark. - dwc lr (talk) 15:30, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
I motion to the example of the Chatto children. While the difference is that they are not royal, arguably they are in essentially the same position as these princes. Non-notable in their own right, possibly holding notable positions or status but otherwise they are stubs and are at best contributing passages in the pages of their respective parents. I haven't got a single thing against exiled/deposed royal families or any royal family for that matter but I feel that Wikipedia needs to be pared down to what is the most educational outside of providing mere genealogical entries. I am an advocated of listing lines of succession and the like but if we haven't anything else other than dates and locations of birth and godparents, I suggest following the example at Lady Sarah Chatto#Marriage and issue and also listing the children in the succession boxes of their parents until a day comes where they are individually notable. Premature article creation for people who may possibly become notable should be discouraged. All of these children share attributes (princes, etc) that are usually pave a road to notability but that destination has not yet been reached. Charles 16:19, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
It's not like every single member of former reigning dynasties has an article. These princes are future heads of dynasties. Look at the Prince of Beira article: it started out like this but over time it has been expanded. It's the same with the other articles. Overtime they are expanded as other people have access to more information about them little as it may be at present. In general I agree with the Chatto example most people probably don't have a problem with that method. There used to be articles on every single person listed in the Bulgarian RF template the majority are now just redirects and no one is undoing those. Some of these young royals are future heads of former reigning dynasties I believe these individuals are notable but their siblings or cousins are not. A recent example of a birth to a member of the Bulgarian RF is Simeon Hassan Muñoz. His birth, baptism, godparents has been covered in the media. I don't see a problem with having an article for someone like Prince Boris or Infante Afonso I don't think their siblings (or cousins like Simeon Hassan Muñoz) necessarily warrant one but an heir apparent directly in line to becoming head of a House does imo. - dwc lr (talk) 22:38, 8 May 2008 (UTC)