Talk:Karamanlides

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Not that I am claiming anything about anyone's ethnicity but don't you think it is a little bizarre that the argument for Greek origins of Karamlids is just the impossibility of mass conversions among muslims into christianity due to sharia law? How about people of ethnic turkish origin who served Byzantine empire long before Turks came to anatolia or even adopted Islam? And why is it an explanation that they started to use turkish language because they were isolated from other greeks? Although not as many as they were in western Turkey, there were ethnic greeks speaking greek language all over the region that Karamanlids lived. What kind of an isolation is that? Also why other regional groups like Pontus Greeks did not change their language? And how come Karamanlids's using greek alphabet is any evidence of their origin? Turks were using the Arabic alphabet but they have nothing to do with Arabs in terms of ethnic origin. In medieval times, a language was written mostly either because it was the language of the government and the court or the language of religious practices. No wonder christian people used the alphabet of their religious practices to write their own language, when their turkish neighbors did the same with the arabic alphabet. I really have no desire to step on some red blooded nationalistic toes but this article seems to be trying too hard to convince us one way with very unbelievable or irrelevant pieces of evidence. Can we see get a more balanced article. A clean up of irrelevant argumentative material will also do.70.175.28.246 10:14, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

And interesting site about them can be found here. [1] .65.756.46.532 10:14, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greek Alphabet

The Karamanlides were Greeks who were Greek-Orthodox and used the Greek alphabet but spoke Turkish because of their isolation from other Greeks in Anatolia. They are not just from a certain area. The article says nothing about the fact they used the Greek alphabet.--Waterfall999 12:57, 3 August 2007 (UT

I have no time for Wikipedia....but someone may want to follow up on this:http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=133463Gospe (talk) 01:43, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] strange origin

name is Turkic, language is Turkic, ethnicity under discussion( DNA analysis may help though) One thing is more strange Karamanli Tribe came to that region long before Seljuks(probably due to uninhabbited large(larger than belgium) area for their herds) became one of the major powers during mongol invasion, The first pan-turkic decleration was made by them( an unrest against Arabic- persian influence), large portion driven to rumelia after final ottoman conquest, formed their own church after WW1 blaming greek orthodox church is an ethnic organization supporting terror tides in anatolia.

these show they may be Turkish, anyway a big DNA study may reveal the truth, but i guess the results will be fearsome, like much of the population in Turkey will have Greek(not only hellenic, the hellenised anatolians during Byzantine) ancestors probably more than orthodox greeks, as well as the population of greece will show similar Turkic ancestry ratios, wouldnt that be funny :) dont know what the ultra-nationalists will say in both sides of the sea then :D —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.244.184.162 (talk) 14:44, 1 April 2008 (UTC)