Talk:Kappa Kappa Psi

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[edit] Removal of Important Information

I reverted the page back to a previous version because central items about the fraternity were removed (such as the Five Purposes, creed, and mission statement -- pretty important!). Reason listed for that change was "WP: NOT a repository." This is inconsistent with the definiton of "repository" on the NOT page, where "repository" refers to "links, images, or media files." Please leave information central to the topic IN the article! Thanks! --PR

[edit] Prominent member list

The list of "prominent members" I put up was based 100% on the list supplied by the fraternity at [[1]]. Please use this talk page to justify any additions not on the fraternity's published list. I agree that Robert Smith is prominent, but can his membership be confirmed? And John Long needs to be justified as "prominent" as well as his membership confirmed. Thank you! Cmadler 14:20, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Again, please use the talk page to justify any additions to the list of prominent members; the original list here was based on that supplied by the fraternity (link above). Additions needing justification are: Robert W. Smith, Eddie Green, and Dave Chappelle. Thank you! Cmadler 11:39, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
Rober Smith's membership was through Troy State University (Zeta Upsilon); former student and band director at that school[[2]], and an alumni of that chapter (which should be verifiable through the national headquarters).
Dave Chappelle is not a brother - Central State considered making him an honorary, but it did not happen and Stillwater has no record of his membership. [3] - DiegoTehMexican 20:41, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] serving college and university bands

I removed the words "United States" from the opening sentance of this article and the Tau Beta Sigma article because the organizations are not dedicated to serving "United States college and university bands" but simply "college and university bands"; in fact they both have an "International District". Even though there are no member chapters in this district, its existance makes it clear that the organizations do not intend to limit their scope to the US. The links are set to the portions of those articles that deal with the US 'meaning' of "college" and "university" because they have very different meanings in some other English-speaking nations. Cmadler 12:31, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Category:Kappa Kappa Psi Wikipedians

I created a category for Wikipedians who are members/alumni of Kappa Kappa Psi. To join, just add [[Category:Wikipedians in Kappa Kappa Psi]] to your User Page. Cmadler 01:48, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] KKΨ and TBΣ no longer share an alumni association

KKΨ's board of trustees decided to withdraw from the NAA on July 22, claiming that 'the NAA’s “current structure does not meet the needs of our alumni” and that Kappa Kappa Psi and Tau Beta Sigma “have different definitions of life members and their privileges”.' See here:Letter from NAA (PDF)

I really don't understand this move, and KKΨ hasn't explained themselves yet. I'm an brother at USC, and I'll see if Dr. O'Shields or Ken Corbett knows anything. - DiegoTehMexican 01:38, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

It's the same sort of BS that our National council has been pulling for a while. They've been pushing the organizations apart since TBS turned down an offer to merge the organizations, and to my knowledge they've never been up front with the active membership of the fraternity about it.

[edit] Quality: B Class

I rated this article as B-class. I think with a few improvements it could be submitted as a Good Article. Some specific areas that could be improved are:

  • Replace lists with prose
  • Inline citations throughout (In progress)
  • Sources other than the Kappa Kappa Psi website (local newspaper/magazine articles, Podium, etc.). To be a really strong article, we need secondary sources; anything published by the fraternity is considered a primary source.
  • More illustrations (photographs, charts, etc).

If you notice other areas needing improvement, list them here so we can all work on them! Cmadler 13:44, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, the only Fraternity/Sorority/Greek life article to reach Featured Article status is Alpha Phi Alpha (quite honestly one of the best Wikipedia articles I've seen, even among FA's). Take a look at that, and you may get some more ideas for how we can grow this article. Cmadler 13:52, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Chuck Norris authenticity?

Is he really a brother of KKPsi? I have heard this a lot, but I have never seen any verifiable proof of it. I tend to think this is more just a prank. Can anyone cite a recognized source? -- Johnny06man 00:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Several people have been discussing this on user pages. According to User:Fliry Vorru's research, Chuck Norris was initiated as an honorary member in Spring 2006 by Gamma (Washington State University). Fliry Vorru also says that Dave Chappelle was voted in by Central State, but the paperwork was never sent in and he was never actually initiated. I am inclinded to accept this, but Wikipedia demands a reliable published source. Most of the "prominent members" list was taken from the KKPsi website which can be considered such a source, but for individuals who, like Chuck Norris, are not on that list, another suitable source must be provided. Cmadler 15:57, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

There are pictures of his shingle(initation paper) in the facebook group. I'm not sure how to link them here or I would show them. Also KPsi's CFR has Chuck's picture and a copy of the Shingle on his desk if you go look at National Headquaters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.241.103.138 (talk) 08:31, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] usage of crest on personal pages by members of fraternity

All members of Kappa Kappa Psi National Honorary band fraternity are part owners in this non-profit organization. Discussion welcome on this subject... Werecowmoo (talk) 20:15, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Alfa epsilon alfa?

Hi! I'm just a visitor and I had never heard of this fraternity. And I noticed that the emblem reads Alfa epsilon alfa, and there is no explanation about the discrepancy between the name KKPsi and this. Maybe some argument should be added... Thanks! 201.137.32.113 (talk) 17:08, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Alpha Epsilon Alpha (or AEA) is a saying that has special (and secret) significance to brothers of KKPsi. It is not intended to signify the name of the fraternity. It is included in the official crest because of this significance. -- Johnny06man (talk) 18:51, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Prominent Members Section

As much as I'd love for all of us to add our band directors, certain faculty that have made an impact on our musical development, and other people we think should be on the list of prominent members, I feel that we should limit the people listed in the category to ones mentioned on the National website. The list of those who are "prominent" can be very subjective if we allow anyone who is a music educator to be on the list. How can we truly define "prominent"? I wish we could add to our list Chuck Norris, Bill Cosby, distinguished college and high school band directors, and so forth, but that opens the door for a plethora of others who could be considered "prominent" by any given individual. All that would leave us with is a very cluttered and lengthy list of people.

In summary, I feel that for simplicity and consistency's sake we should use the prominent members list provided by the National website and leave it at that. Thoughts? Fliry Vorru (talk) 00:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Noting the lack of commentary, I will assume a general indifference towards the previous suggestion and go through with the change. Please leave the prominent members section alone unless all (note: ALL) of the regular contributors to this page come to a consensus on criteria for who can be added beyond the list on the national website. Fliry Vorru (talk) 18:22, 1 June 2008 (UTC)