Talk:Kappa Alpha Psi
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[edit] Correct procedures to update this article
This article was recently entered on May 5th, 2006. Previous articles about Kappa Alpha Psi in Wikipedia were deleted for reason for copyright violation. I entered the Kappa Alpha Psi article without violating no copyright issues. Brothers of Kappa Alpha had updated the website by adding correct footnotes of information regarding the founder and history of the Kappa cane.
Members of Kappa Alpha Psi are welcome to update this article, but please do not violate any copyright rules of Wikipedia by copying and pasting from other Kappa Alpha Psi websites without footnotes. It must be in your own words and correct information regarding Kappa Alpha Psi. Please do not type anything that is not condoned by the National office and information regarding rituals that is confidental only to Kappa Alpha Psi members are not to be entered.
Yours in the bond Erayman64
[edit] Stop adding POV comments!
Please refrain from adding comments like "Kappa Alpha Psi is thought to be considered as the greatest of all Afro-American Greek-Letter Fraternal Organizations with members representing and achieving success in every field of endeavers known to man."
Such foolishness will be deleted. 143.166.226.40 14:48, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
That also goes for the newly added bold statement "first black intercollegiate fraternity incorporated as a national body"--because the article read fine as it was, already made mention of the incorporation, and KAY was not founded as a "black" fraternity, remember?--and, as a side note, what does the 2004-2006 Chapter of the Year have to do with the frat's founding? At least put the info in a different section. 143.166.255.42 23:45, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
- I reverted the article to the previous one made before the vandal. Alpha Phi Alpha was the first BGL fraternity. Bearly541 03:28, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Rushing Black Fraternities
If possible, please clean up this section: Fraternities_and_sororities#Joining_a_black_fraternity_or_sorority. It reads poorly and its citations should be footnotes instead. I am also unsure of the universality of said processes; if they are fairly common, keep them; if not, delete them. Thank you for your help. —ScouterSig 16:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] References
There's no need to have the references that small, the small option is for longer articles to keep the size down I believe. Either way they're virtually unreadable on a high res computer screen. Quadzilla99 13:19, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Pop4any1, you reverted [1] my inclusion of the Refimprove template, asking that I discusss it on the talk page.
See the article linked from the verification link in the template: WP:V which states that any unsourced material may be removed. Instead of removing most the article because it isn't referenced to reliable published sources, I put Refimprove template at the top to give editors the chance to add sources.
I've received a complaint about the article on Wikimedia's OTRS system (OTRS ticket#2007072410012961), and I'm going to remove unsourced information from the article, but I hope you put back the Refimprove so that as much verifiable and notable information can be referenced and kept before I do this. -- Jeandré, 2007-07-25t20:31z
- Most of the sources are from the history of Kappa alpha psi it is not a widely published book because it is only given to members of the fraternity. The fraternity is not a publicized thing so you just can't find information from anywhere so I was just wondering how the article is not sourced because everything basically has its source referenced to them. the "third party sites" are official regions of the fraternity and are watch by the grand chapter so any info sourced back to them is legit whether the public knows or not. Can you give me an example of what you think is unsourced so I can get a better understanding. (Pop4any1 21:38, 25 July 2007 (UTC))
- I'm going to cite what I can then tell me what needs improving....(Pop4any1 15:28, 26 July 2007 (UTC))
[edit] Nupe redirection here
Given that the Wikipedia entry "Nupe" redirects here and that it is listed as a nickname, would an explanation be appropriate for where the term "Nupe" comes from? I presume (as a non member of Kappa Alpha Psi) that it relates to the Phi Nu Pi in the crest, but I don't know if that explanation is correct or, if correct is private to the brothers of Kappa Alpha Psi.Naraht 16:10, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
- Actually that is not correct but the term NUPE is used amongst members and non members use it because they here brothers call each other that. The term NUPE is a secret as well as PHI NU PI so they are both kept private. Therefore there is no need to explain there meanings or origins in the article. (Pop4any1 16:33, 23 July 2007 (UTC))
[edit] Assessment
The article's progress is going great so far. However, if you want this article featured, here are some suggestions.
- Founders: If you want to make your article featured, make individual biographies of your founders. I am currently doing this with AKA, and yours is much easier since you have ten instead of twenty. :-D
- History: Divide your history section into decades instead of one lump history. For an example, see Alpha Kappa Alpha or Alpha Phi Alpha
- List the books that you used for the article, for further reference (i.e. The History of Kappa Alpha Psi, Divine Nine, Crump's The Story of Kappa Alpha Psi).
If I have more ideas, I will let you know. Miranda 03:05, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Free image
Kappa Alpha Psi with President Coolidge Miranda 07:36, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Non-salient blog links
Several times now, user EliasTuggle (Talk) has attempted to add a blog entry to the list of links for the Kappa Alpha Psi article. I am removing it (the first time for myself, others have done the same), and reminding everyone that Wikipedia should not be used to wage personal wars or agendas, which it seems is the only reason why that link is being added.
Wikipedia:External links gives good guidelines on the proper inclusion of external links. Especially pertinent to this issue is Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided, particularly #12. Let's be careful about our additions to both content and links, and be sure that we are keeping Wikipedia encyclopedic. As for the link that I am about to remove, perhaps one should try an alternative outlet. :) Thanks, and take care. WDavis1911 (talk) 22:11, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
So my removal of what I feel is an inappropriate link (WP:EL) was reverted by 24.177.237.120 ( Talk), which happens (it's part of the beauty that is Wikipedia), but without reason. This was probably simply an oversight, as in my edit summary I pointed out why I was removing it and a link to this discussion section. I reverted this revert (I sincerely hope we can resolve this without an edit war) and tried to be more clear in my second edit summary. Please, if you disagree, feel free to explain why a blog on an MSN site by a non-recognized authority qualifies as an appropriate external link in our article about Kappa Alpha Psi. If any others would take the time to chime in on the link's appropriateness or lack thereof, such discussion would be greatly appreciated :) WDavis1911 (talk) 01:35, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
- Oh, I agree that it's not appropriate to link, and you've summed my feelings up on the matter pretty well. I'd honestly say that external links like that fall under the same category as chapter websites. Justinm1978 (talk) 02:19, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
I removed comments made by the user EliasTuggle (Talk) under "Nupe redirection here". I assume that he is the same person with the little known BLOG that was linked under External Links on the main KAPSI page. (I have previously removed that link as well).
RTMuhammad (talk) 16:29, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Reorganization of membership section
The previous membership section was somewhat confusing to me. It had a sub-section titled "Scroller club" with no information (cited or uncited) about the club. The entire section, in fact, was about the fraternity's stance on hazing. So I renamed it thusly and shifted some of the images and quote boxes around. I removed
from the section simply because it broke up the flow of the section and was yet another reference to something that is not explained. Where this would be appropriate would be a real "Scroller Club" sub-section that explains to the readers what that is about using cited sources. If someone feels they can create a well-referenced section on that soon then be my guest, otherwise I will attempt to do the same when I get a chance.
Anyway, hopefully it looks better now (not perfect of course) and makes more sense... WDavis1911 (talk) 06:43, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
Ah, similarly, the polemarch list should be moved, perhaps to a "Leadership" or "Fraternity organization" section with more details. Work for another day or another user... g'nite. WDavis1911 (talk) 07:05, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
