Talk:Kaplan

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[edit] Turkish

This is not clear. Is the name Kaplan derived from the Turkish word Kaplan? -- 201.51.166.124 13:49, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

No, I think it is clear that Kaplan is tiger in Turkish purely coincidentally, note the use of "also". JesseRafe 05:19, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] kaplan inc

As opposed to any of those place names or names of people, it would seem that anybody searching for the education company would be more likely to search solely for "Kaplan," though finding that link through the rather long list of Kaplans was a bit tedious. JesseRafe 05:24, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

I see your point, but I respectfully disagree. See my "Cleanup suggestion" above. /Hurukan 16:40, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Coat of arms

There is an extensive amount of information about heraldry here, and I'm not sure if it's all appropriate or accurate. If things are not cited and cleaned up and condensed within a week, I'm going to delete the whole section. JesseRafe 02:07, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

It's fine to remove the heraldry section - but you nuked the section about the derivation of the name from the hebrew word Cohen, which translates the same as Kaplan in polish which is the first appearance of the lineage "Cohen" in Eastern Europe. I thought I cited this plenty. Please return the text and I can provide additional citation. Kaplansa 20:04, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Another thing - a week isn't enough time to leave an ultimatum. Next time, make it a month which is more reasonable for us working stiffs. Kaplansa 20:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
A week is plenty of time, especially given that most of that information was irrelevant and belonged in an article about heraldry, not a disambiguation page. As you'll notice, I myself never got around to editing down your verbose content and it was moved in toto to Kaplan (surname). The information wasn't "nuked", as can be seen from checking the page history. JesseRafe 22:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Okay okay, no need to be nasty. I didn't notice the surname page and I ~appreciate~ that you moved the content and didn't "nuke it" at all <smiles all around>. However, a week really isn't enough time being as most of us, including yourself I'm sure, have day jobs and families and don't get around to reviewing who's been editing our edits every couple of days. So a week may seem like forever to you, but I'm telling you, it's not enough time and I'd suggest a month. Thanks for the consideration, and again, thanks for the move. Cheers. Kaplansa 14:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Link to surname (reference)

JesseRafe, by removing my additional link to Kaplan (Surname) you're missing the point. I appreciate you adding the disambiguation page in the place, but by simply linking "Kaplan" on the page it's not clear that this link in fact leads to another page (i.e. Kaplan_(surname)). Proof of this is in that we've been batting around what text belongs in this article in the first place or not - if it were more obvious (which it is not), I wouldn't have kept adding information about the surname in this article at all. So blame it on Wikipedia formatting, but folks are messaging me asking what happened to the surname info. So please.... leave the surname link alone in this disambiguation post. It doesn't change the content of the article and only helps to clarify where the additional info is. You win. Thanks. 71.126.177.8 04:07, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Again, I didn't move the information, that was done by another user (the history has everything). I only removed your link after the info was moved because it wasn't in the best format. Now I've made the link more prominent and at the top of the article. As for whether or not certain information belongs here, this is a disambiguation page, the purpose of which is to guide users to the information they are speaking (i.e. persons or places named Kaplan). As people may also want the history of the name, that information should be redirected to another page just the same as any information is redirected to the proper page. JesseRafe 05:06, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Awesome. That's all I was talking about. Thank you, and case closed. Kaplansa 07:24, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup suggestion

Since this is a disambiguation page (de facto), I think we should keep the text above the table of contents (and the list) to a minimum. Preferably, the sentence ending with a colon (:) should be immediately followed by the table of contents. I suggest:

  • Remove the sentence on Baltimore vs NYC. It is already mentioned on Kaplan (surname), and it belongs there since the information is so specific.
  • Put the link to Kaplan (surname) into the first sentence, and possibly into the list as well.
  • Remove the paragraph specific to Kaplan, Inc. Finding that entry in the list does not seem difficult enough to warrant deviating from the disambiguation page format. Other items in the list may have just as many visitors to this page, and we don't want a separate paragraph for each.

/Hurukan 16:40, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

For someone who is so concerned about what goes on the top of page and what doesn't it's a tad interesting you added this to the top of the Talk page, and not to the bottom, but don't worry. I've fixed it for you. ;).
Remember that this page isn't what people get to after they've read Kaplan (surname) so saying "already" doesn't quite make sense to me. Simply typing "Kaplan" is how they get here, maybe they forgot a first name but remembered that he or she was an author or a whatever and they scroll down but they don't find it, and perhaps it hadn't occurred to them that it could be spelled with a 'C'. Also, it is a quite fairly interesting tidbit of information and it's worded fairly concisely and only takes up two lines.
I still hold that that entry is the one (as opposed to a person) most likely to be desired one when types solely "Kaplan". I know this slightly undermines what I said about why we should have the short C and K etymology, but I think someone forgetting a first name and searching by last name happens as often as someone searching for Education-for-profit company, not someone forgetting each and every one of these names, but forgetting names in toto.
I'm pretty sure that on just about any browser with any screen resolution the TOC will still display on the page without having to scroll or anything. Again, you're talking about 2 or 3 lines (maximum!) in "saved" space. JesseRafe 18:41, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
From your reasoning regarding the company as well as regarding Baltimore vs NYC, I presume that you are American. Please keep in mind that this page is intended for English-speaking people from all over the world, most of whom are unfamiliar with Kaplan Inc. The name Kaplan is used worldwide, so I expect plenty of non-Americans will come here to find out e.g. the etymology of the name. /Hurukan 13:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Of course the name Kaplan, as well as the English language, are used worldwide, but do remember that a whole heck of a lot of them are in America, and there's nothing wrong with that. And they are just as entitled to be unfamiliar with Kaplan, Inc. as I am with just about every Kaplan on this page. But again, that is the entry most likely to be sought after by solely typing Kaplan and it wouldn't do to make the entire "Other" section above the "People", so this seems to be the best solution. This is only one line, and the TOC is still immediately accessible without scrolling down. And as for the people in the rest of the world, Kaplan has institutes in the UK, Ireland, Australia, Singapore, Hong Kong and Israel, not to mention that if you Google search "Kaplan" you get mostly said education-for-profit company, and every link that isn't is an internet knock-off seeking to capitalize on the Kaplan brand name (assumed based on their disclaimers and subtle wordings as to whom they are). JesseRafe 23:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)