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Please refer to the article published by the Government of Orissa State in India for the Origin of Kapilavastu. This will help your research department to get additional details. I am not claiming anything just got this for your information. http://orissagov.nic.in/e-magazine/Journal/jounalvol1/pdf/orhj-3.pdf You will see that Nepal earlier never had a name Kapilavastu or Lumbini at the time of Buddhas Birth. Buddhas teachings were later spread to Nepal and other parts of Asia
[edit] Kapilvastu in Nepal
Kapilvastu was never part of India. It has always been part of Nepal and was an independant state unlike India which was colonised by teh British. Please refer to "History of Nepal written by AH Klosser published by Sajya Prakashan". Indians should not cliam Lumbini or Kapilvastu to be part of Nepal. Its simply jealousy.
Furthur readings http://dreamnepal.wordpress.com/2006/05/22/dispute-over-the-birthplace-of-buddha-boils-again
Kapilavastu maybe on the present Indo-Nepalese border inside Nepal but you do know that Nepal didnot exist until a few centuries ago right??? Also, during Buddha's time Kapilavstu was part of many of the kshatriya kingdoms of Aryavarta or as Ancient India was know to Indians(today's south-asians) in the north. The name NEPAL doesnot exist in Buddhist or ancient hindu etymology. Its strictly a much recent construct mainly to define the kingdom of Gurkhas. Besides the region of Kapilavastu is in Terai which is linguistically or culturally more a part of eastern UP than mountain valleys of upper Nepal. Just because the British and the Gurkhas agreed to a boundary that left Lumbini a few KMS inside Nepal doesn't take away the fact that Siddhartha was an Kshatiya prince from Kapilavstu(a kingdom spanning across the current India/Nepal border). Most of his life was spent around Rajgir, Sarnath, kusinagar and bodh gaya all in Eastern UP or Bihar today but were in Magadha etc. at the time. Doesn't make him a UPite or Bihari, and yes entire Terai; of which Lumbini is a part, has been a part of every major Indian empire up until the Mughals. Its only after the treaty with the british that it was firmly placed a few kms inside Nepal, even by that measure much of the kingdom of shakyas was to the south of capital Lumbini which would be modern India. Anyhow we are not talking about modern India or Nepal, so this discussion is meaningless. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.76.44 (talk) 03:20, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
According to ancient Buddhist text(written around 500 AD), Mulasarvasti vadavinaya, Shakyas of Kabilvastu (Kapilvastu i.e kingdom of Buddha) and Baniyas of Sravasti, came to Newal (believed to be Kathmandu Valley, Nepal) from the south. Sometime later, Bhikshu Ananda also entered Newal. The word Kabilvastu refers to Kapilvastu and Newal refers to Nepal. It is to be recalled that the indigenous people of Nepal call themselves Nepami or Newami. Other people call them Newar.
So Kapilavastu and Nepal mandala were two different entities. So, how has Lumbini always been part of Nepal? as some calim here when Nepal itself is not mentioned until 400 AD. Even at that time it corresponds to Kathmandu Valley, and Kapliavastu was still a separate kingdom then.
Another Buddhist text Manjushrimula Kalpa has mentioned Manadeva as king of Nepal Mandala(Kathmandu Valley and sorrounding areas). It also mentions Lalitpur and Bhaktapur mandalas. The time of the composition of Mulasarvastivadavinaya is 3 century A.D(400's). And the time of the composition of Manjushriulakalpa is not beyond the reign of Manadeva (464–506A.D).
Now Buddha lived around 480-500 BC a full 1000 years later the name Nepal appears that too to describe a small part of modern Nepal(i.e Kathmandu Valley) which even at that later date(i.e a 1000 years later, did not include Lumbini and Kapilavastu(as Kapilavastu is mentioned separately). Even here Nepal or Newal is described as a Mandala, not a country or kingdom, it was a tributary of Guptas at one point. Mauryas also held sway over Kapilavastu. Terai(where Lumbini is located) was not part of Gurkha kingdom during Mughal era but was under Mughal rule. It is NOW in the country of Nepal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.145.76.44 (talk) 09:02, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
