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[edit] Safavids

Hello. What do you suggest for the Safavids page? I think that there should not be any reference to their origin in the intro, since this is a controversial toppic and because the many sources contradict each other. The origin should be discussed in the "origin" section and the reader should be given a transparent summary of all reliable sources. What do you think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.82.143.168 (talk) 03:03, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] expanding Muslim military history task force

I have been reelected coordinator and brought up the old discussion about expanding Muslim military history to the present day. This has been an issue raised by Muslim editors when the task force was founded. It would be great if you could help expanding the articles that present what makes Islams treatment of war effect especially the Muslim warfare. I have been reading a bit on the topic and can help you with advice, but feel myself not confident enough with my limited knowledge. Wandalstouring (talk) 12:37, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Pontic Greek Genocide

Hi Kansas Bear. Thank you for your message and for your tactful approach but tact is completely unnecessary in this case. Far from being a personal conversation, this topic is open to anyone. Your contribution was appreciated and this is why I personally thanked you on the talk page (diff). I agree with you. I have been in difficult conversations before but this one is exceptional in the sense of all the semantic inventions employed to change the title of the article, in spite of all the available information. That's why when I saw your comments I realised that, despite all the fog raised in the discussion, there were other people, external to the debate, who could see through that. Seeing also that you are a historian made your comments even more relevant. Please consider this an invitation to further contribute to this debate. Your expertise is greatly needed in such a difficult topic. Thanks again and take care. Dr.K. (talk) 04:24, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Kansas Bear for your message. It is remarkable how your perception of this situation regarding Phlip's stance is identical to mine. If you noticed I don't participate in this debate any longer due to the fact that despite my arguments and objections and the many more arguments presented from other users as well as your well taken points about the holocaust etc., we all seem to be talking to a wall. I don't know where this is going given his attitude but others are still participating for some reason submitting loads of new sources. Anyway this whole process looks irregular. Maybe we have to have another admin/expert or a group of admins that can take over this exchange and handle it in a more objective manner. Thank you again because you completely validated my original perception of Philip's attitude point by point and I really appreciate that. Take care. Dr.K. (talk) 12:35, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Your recent edits to Guenter Lewy

I have reverted your recent edits to this article per Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Remove_unsourced_or_poorly_sourced_contentious_material, as they employed an original research interpretation of the sources cited to advance a controversial claim concerning a living person contained nowhere in the sources themselves. Please note that per Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Blocking, your account may be blocked if you continue to restore this material. John254 22:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

No need to panic, sooner or later someone in wiki was going to disagree with you. Thats when you use the talkpage and quote from reliable sources. And In Lewy's case you can actually quote him. I also replied here --VartanM (talk) 06:00, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Comment

Hi can you comment here: [[1]]. Since I think you have been watching this guy and his irrational claims, as well as his foul language. --alidoostzadeh (talk) 17:23, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Dallas Dhu

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[edit] EOKA edit

Hi Kansas Bear.

Quick question - I tweaked the EOKA article (anonymously unfortunately) as Grivas didn't appear to have had a distinguished WWII? I appreciate this is a touchy subject so I may be wrong, but couldn't see anything in the actual Grivas item to support this. His early military career seems to be distinguished (decorated for bravery, etc) but was there anything similar for WWII?

Cheers Alunwyn (talk) 11:45, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] PKK as a terrorist organization

Why you are removing the "terrorist" term? --Ilhanli (talk) 23:47, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

"The PKK is listed as a terrorist organization" and "The PKK is a terrorist organization" are very different thing. What isn't needed is a person with nationalistic intentions, trying to "glorify" a terroris organization which killed even Kurdish babies, which babies' familes refused to help PKK [2]. --Ilhanli (talk) 00:42, 24 May 2008 (UTC) If there is a source that it is a terrorist organization, then it means that it is a terrorist organization. Or can we say that "Hitler is listed as main man of killing the Jews"? Is listed... is listed... Al-Qaeda is listed as terrorist organization but it is not?--Ilhanli (talk) 00:53, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

You mean this statement,

Al-Qaeda has been labeled a terrorist organization by the United Nations Security Council,[5] the North Atlantic Treaty Organization Secretary General,[6][7] the Commission of the European Communities of the European Union,[8] the United States Department of State,[9] the Australian Government,[10] Public Safety Canada,[11] the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs,[12] Japan's Diplomatic Bluebook,[13] South Korean Foreign Ministry,[14] the Dutch Military Intelligence and Security Service,[15] the United Kingdom Home Office,[16] Pakistan, Russia,[17] the Swedish Ministry for Foreign Affairs,[18] and the Swiss Government.[19]

Sounds similar to this statement:

The PKK is listed as a terrorist organization internationally by a number of states and organizations, including the United States,[6][7] NATO and the European Union.[8]

Both are statements backed by documentation. Not simple childish nationalistic libel. Kansas Bear (talk) 01:02, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

So you mean that this statement should be chanced:

"The September 11, 2001 attacks (often referred to as 9/11) were a series of coordinated suicide attacks by al-Qaeda upon the United States." as

"The September 11, 2001 attacks (often referred to as 9/11) were a series of coordinated suicide attacks by al-Qaeda according to USA government and mass media upon the United States.

So, you say that the firs statement above is written by a child? There are examples like that. Why there are two different standards?

OK, you will learn them while you grow.--Ilhanli (talk) 17:44, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Typical, when you can't win the argument, you resort to Strawman Fallacies. So far, you've posted nationalism, libel, and logic fallacies. Continue your personal attacks and you'll be blocked soon enough. Kansas Bear (talk) 21:38, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
It's just a matter of the Wikipedia structure and time, not that I am wrong. --Ilhanli (talk) 00:18, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Wrong, again. Hamas for example:

Ḥamas (حركة حماس; acronym: حركة المقاومة الاسلامية, or Ḥarakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiyya or "Islamic Resistance Movement"[citation needed]) is a Palestinian Sunni Islamist[1] militant organization and political party which currently holds a majority of seats in the elected legislative council of the Palestinian Authority.

Hezbollah:

Hezbollah[1] (Arabic: حزب الله‎ ḥizba-llāh,[2] literally "party of God") is a Shi'a Islamic political and paramilitary organisation based in Lebanon. The group's official name in Arabic is Hizb Allah Al-moqawama Al-Islamiyah fi Lubnan

Odd, both opening statements DO NOT mention them being terrorist organizations. Yet you in your puerile POV insist on making that type of change for the PKK. These examples prove your POV is nationalistically driven and biased. Kansas Bear (talk) 21:26, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
So you claim that EU and USA are nationalist and biased, too.--Ilhanli (talk) 22:49, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Spare me your strawman fallacies. If you can't accept the facts, that is your problem. Kansas Bear (talk) 00:00, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

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