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[edit] Welcome!

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[edit] Did you know (nomination)

• ...that despite the UK government committed itself to prevent schools from partially selecting their pupils ten years ago there are still a substantial number of Partially selective schools in England? by Kanguole

OK? Don't understand? talk to Victuallers (talk) 15:07, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ward Churchill

I do not hold any brief for Ward Churchill and consider his remarks about the World Trade Center attacks to be rather silly and offensive. However, some media reports have pointed out that he did not characterise all of the victims of the attacks as members of a "technocratic corps" or "little Eichmanns" (eg [1]). Churchill himself has said that he did not intend his comments to be taken as referring to all of the victims, although he has refused to give an unreserved apology for the remarks in his 2001 essay On the Justice of Roosting Chickens. --♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 15:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I know that he said that afterwards, in response to the controversy, but in the essay itself (the relevant paragraph is quoted in On the Justice of Roosting Chickens), there is no such qualification. There is an equation. Maybe he just ignored the cleaners and caterers as a rhetorical flourish (mentioning them would have weakened his case), but that's what he wrote, and this sentence is about the essay. We've previously discussed this on the article talk page. Kanguole (talk) 16:35, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

There is room for interpretation of the Roosting Chickens essay. My view is that Churchill was trying to denigrate the people that he saw as financial moguls in New York, rather than every victim of the attacks. --♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:55, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that's a possible interpretation. Another is that if you empty the bins for a technocrat you are part of the "mighty engine of profit" and complicit in its crimes. Another is that those people are not worth mentioning. But we shouldn't be interpreting, just reporting what he said. Kanguole (talk) 17:05, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

The Roosting Chickens essay uses overwrought language rather than a carefully thought out academic tone. However, I have tried to capture the spirit of the essay and given Ward Churchill the benefit of the doubt on the issue of whether cleaners and caterers deserved to be killed in the attacks. This approach does not downplay the firestorm of controversy that the essay created. --♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 22:26, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

A discussion of this point has started on the article talk page. Kanguole (talk) 00:31, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Grammar school

I don't have very strong feelings about the edit. If you revert it for now, I'll have a think about it and comment on the talk page. Thanks. Itsmejudith (talk) 11:21, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AfD nomination of Fearnhill School

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