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[edit] Clay Chastain

This bugger doesn't deserve a mention in the Kansas City article and it is an insult to the city to even mention him. People don't need to know he initiated the ballot. Adding his name to the article does nothing except add a piece of information that isn't important. Especially when he is just a crazy piece of crap who is doing a lot more harm than good to the light rail plan in Kansas City. He doesn't deserve ANY mention in the Kansas City article and should be wiped from ANY connection to our wonderful city. And he is NOT an activist! He is only a crazy guy who doesn't know jack about light rail, and has always been crazy. He is worthless and calling him an activist is only a compliment to him. People in Kansas City don't recognize him as an activist. They also did not vote for his plan, they voted for the idea of light rail. They could care less if his ideas went through. He belongs back in Virginia and needs to stay out of our beautiful city. --KCMODevin 15:55, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, we include lots of people whose contributions to the world aren't necessarily positive. I think that it's hard to talk encyclopedically about light rail in Kansas City without discussing Chastain's role. Doesn't matter what you feel about the subject personally or politically. (ESkog)(Talk) 16:14, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Also, you are dead wrong, KCMODevin. Clay Chastain was the primary engineer behind the actual infrastructure and layout planning for the measure passed in November of last year. The Light Rail measure is HIS idea and he alone pushed it through the legal system 6 times to get it on the ballot. He IS light rail in Kansas City. Personally, I agree with you, and think light rail is superfluous and not needed here in KC (for god sakes our roads are shit!), but none of this matters. He is an activist and he is tied to light rail, therefore he needs to be mentioned and linked. --Active1x0

No he doesn't, and light rail does belong in Kansas City... He may have been the chief engineer, but he is not smart enough and doesn't know enough about the Kansas City area. He does not deserve a mention. He did nothing in regards to infrastructure, and the only layout he gave was a completely flawed plan. The voters were NOT voting for his idea, they were voting for light rail... The voters would accept a city planned light rail plan. This guy is nothing more than a quack, and it's an insult to KCMO to include him in this article.. He is not an activist, and like I said, to call him one is only a complement to him and an insult to our city. He is not light rail in Kansas City, and you're being butt buddies with him doesn't change that. Also, my edit has been changed to be NPOV. IT states facts found in the various referenced/sourced newspaper articles that are relevant and important. Also, active, sign your comments...--KCMODevin 20:07, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

  • If I ask 10 Kansas Citians who comes to mind first when talking about light rail, I bet Chastain would be the leader by far. Right or wrong, he is the public face of the light rail movement in Kansas City. Changing that is a matter for political activism, not an edit war on an encyclopedia trying to report facts. (ESkog)(Talk) 20:40, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Soon he won't be though, and I will be more than happy to wipe him off the face of this article when his plan fails and the city-backed plan goes forward. --KCMODevin 20:44, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Response to Clay Chastain

Nobody has the right to decide whether somoene is worthy or not of being listed on wikipedia. Facts are Clay Chastain is intimately involved with the Kansas City Light Rail initiative. The fact that he had a plan placed on a ballot and it actually was voted in by residents enforces that idea. It's history and it should be documented accordingly to its relevance. Any personal feelings in regards to any political figure or citizen whether positive or negative are not to interfere with the neutrality of Wikipedia. wikipedia exists for the sole purpose of educating people. We do not have the right to dilute relevant information to a topic regardless of how we feel for somoene.

ESkog had a perfect example. Adolf Hitler is a large part of the history of Germany. Regardless of how we feel in regards to his crimes and his opressive rulership it is sitll history and cannot be erased. If anyone has negative remarks to share, they should be voiced on a different forum. Kcuello (talk) 21:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Also with this said, nobody should be proactively looking to list Clay Chastain's name unless the portion of news in relation to light rail directly involves him. I will personally follow these developments and anyone seen removing relevant information will be reported to administrators. Kcuello (talk) 21:47, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Intro rework

I rewrote the intro to be a little more streamlined and to put a little more emphasis on things like KCs contribution to culture (civil war, jazz, blues and BBQ) and moved the mention of the city's tap water being clean which, though interesting, embarrassed me a little to have in the opening paragraph. Kansas city has made much interesting and varied history and has made more contributions to the national stage than the old intro let on. I also glanced at the rest of the article and removed somethings that are located in the metro are not the city itself. The article will look much more impressive if it seems that it does not have an agenda, and is simply telling it as it is.

I've also changed the wording about having the second most fountains in the world from a fact to a claim, as we still need a reliable third-part source that is not a regurgitation of the tourism boards advertising. Grey Wanderer | Talk 20:10, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

On my list of things to do is to bring the page up to the standards described on Wikiproject cities. The page isn't far away but needs major sourcing aand the famous people and schools section need to be pared down a lot. Individual schools should not be listed, school districts however might. with the amount of people from kc with wikipedia pages we really just need a link to the list or category of notable citizens not list them on the article itself. Grey Wanderer | Talk 20:20, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Crime Exaggerated

The crime artile is much very exaggerated, especially in the article of the entire metropolitin area having bad crime. Johnson county is relatively crime free when compared to the inner city of KCMO and KCK. this is proven especially with the fact that suburban cities Overland Park and Olathe Kansas are both in the top 15 best places to live. The link with that article is dead and no longer active. Crime rating in Olathe, Overland Park, Lenexa, Lee's Summit, and Shawnee is very low. No facts to support that crime is on an increase because of 2 rappers being shot. I have deleted that portion of the crime section. I know for sure that New Orleans, Houston (needs 500 more cops), St. Louis, Detroit and Miami are highly unsafe. Thats 5 metro areas that are for sure worse off in crime than KC metro. More up to date informaiton should be listed.Kcuello 22:41, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Kcuello, if you live in OP or in that area, then of course you don't know much about the inner city or what goes on in it. The gang wars in KC started with the deaths of those two rappers. The murders/fighting kicked up temporarily, causing a rise in the crime rates.

Also, not all of the inner-city has bad crime, which is a falsehood that many sheltered people from the SW suburbs tend to believe. Only sections of the inner-city have bad homicide rates. KCMODevin 13:37, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I am a former resident of Kansas City MO. and that dates back to July of this year. As a former resident of City market and my parents living in "Northeast" I highly contest the exaggerations of crime. Once again, the listing of 2 rapeprs that obviusly have no bearing on crime spike is still highly questionable. I see it as more of a ploy to popularize the rappers. Kcuello 22:15, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Both KCMODevin and Kcuello seem to have some good points. I think that this might be resolved if KCMO could provide a few sources for the gang wars, surly there must be news articles, or statistics on that sort of thing? Otherwise it should probably be removed. Grey Wanderer | Talk 22:55, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I would ask that any proof consist of the following:

1) Direct reference to both rappers.

2) Prove it is the cause of gang wars that have increased crime

3) be as recent as within the last 6 mnths to a year.

Otherwise the article would be considered out of date. this event occurred mroe than 3 years ago. I will remove the post until there are facts to prove such claims.Kcuello (talk) 15:39, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Recent Edits to Kansas City Page

Recent edits over the past few weeks have subtantially improved this article. I just wanted to leave a big Kudos and thank you for all of those that have worked very hard to make this article informatice and respectable! Kcuello (talk) 15:47, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sister Cities

Hanover Germany was listed on the Sister Sities International webpage. I have promptly added it to the list of sister cities Kansas City has listed. Kcuello (talk) 21:39, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


For some reason, the Hanover link was removed. In attempting to restore the link, i am getting a "blacklisted" error on the following post, even though there is no hyperlink involved. Here is the reference behind the edit http://www.sister-cities.org/icrc/directory/usa/MO Kcuello (talk) 20:59, 25 December 2007 (UTC)


  • ==Sister Cities==*

Kansas City has 13 sister Cities:


[edit] MO County Map and Kansas City Close-up Map

Why in the world is Clay County highlighted in the MO State map on the main page, right beside an equally silly close-up of an emboldened Clay County? Is not the downtown district and city headquarters in Jackson County? Auror (talk) 00:35, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Wow, your completely right, thanks for catching that. I don't have the graphic skills to fix it, but I'm sure someone does. I can however provide the link to the Jackson County highlighted map
.Grey Wanderer | Talk 00:43, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

LOL. . . what a catch! Kcuello (talk) 15:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup tag

The article needs many more references, some copyediting, and reference formatting fixes using citation templates. I also noticed that there are many repetative links which need to be removed. Thanks, Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 23:09, 23 March 2008 (UTC)