Talk:Kandice Pelletier

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http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Kandice%20Pelletier&btnG=Google+Search&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi --evrik ^(talk) 20:55, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Positioning of infobox

As the number of valid references for Pelletier's pageant participation vastly outweigh those for her appearing in the Amzaing Race, it is appropriate for the infobox with the most information about her and the one related to the subject she is most notable for to go first. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 21:51, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

• I disagree. --evrik ^(talk) 22:11, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Why do you disagree? If we actually discussed this rationally rather than continually reverting the article. For what reasons do you think the Amazing Race infobox should go first? I will re-iterate my reasoning:
    • The pageant titleholder infobox is very similar to the bio infobox in that it contains vital information used to identify the person: height, hair and eye colour, place of birth etc
    • As per the references, Pelletier is clearly more notable for her pageant participation
    • Chronologically, Pelletier participated in pageants well before she participated in the Amazing Race.

I would suggest a truce and get an independent editor to look at the situation. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 22:18, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

• You really need to take a deep breath, and stop telling half-truths. You can't complain about people editing articles without discussion when you too do the same thing. I would also point out that the current animosity started with this edit, and you know why. This page wasn't started because of her pageant workl. It was started because of her TV work.

Just because she was a beauty queen doesn't mean she is defined that way for the rest of her life. If you look at her self published biography on IMDB, she doesn't even mention the pageant work. If you decide to get an independent editor. Go with this version of the page. --evrik ^(talk) 22:31, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I am talking about myself as well as you when I suggest we take a breath and call in someone else. Why the article was started does not matter, take a look at Dustin-Leigh Konzelman and you'll see I've done the same thing with that article without a peep from you. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 22:34, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

• I saw those edits, but decided not to expand the argument. I could, if you'd like me to. --evrik ^(talk) 22:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

And why would you go with that version of the page when it is unsourced? At least I put effort in to constructively improving the article. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 22:35, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

• Would you like me to source it? --evrik ^(talk) 22:38, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

As an outsider, let me observe that this lady did not win in the Amazing Race. She won in the beauty contest. And she would never have been in the Amazing Race except that she was a beauty queen. In addition, there are 756 google hits for Kandice Pelletier alone, with no Amazing Race mention, and 549 google hits for Kandice Pelletier together with an Amazing Race mention. From this it looks to me that she is better known as a beauty queen than as an Amazing Race contestant (and nonwinner). So I think that by this reasoning, the beauty contest info box should go at the top.--Filll 22:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

• Outsider perhaps ... but since you two were just corresponding about this you're hardly neutral. --evrik ^(talk) 22:35, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

If you check the times, I responded before she wrote on my page, or maybe simultaneously. I did it spontaneously. And I am neutral. I never have watched the Amazing Race. I do not have a TV. I hate beauty contests and beauty pageants. I just about died laughing at Little Miss Sunshine which makes fun of beauty contests and is pretty rude about it actually. However, why not have an RfC if you are so sure of yourself? I am sure we can get 30 or 40 people to respond if you really want to turn this into a you-know-what contest.--Filll 23:09, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

• Like I said, an RFC would have been overkill. Though with these last four edits, edit 1, edit 2, edit 3 and edit 4, I now wonder if I'm being wikistalked. -evrik ^(talk) 23:44, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I'd suggest you keep your over-active (and over-paranoid) imagination in check. I have had all these articles on my watchlist and I made what I believe are necessary edits. Had any other editor intentionally wikilinked to redlinks I would have reverted their edits just as I reverted yours. My aim is improve wikipedia's articles, not some personal vendetta. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 23:48, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References belong before the External links

I have never, ever seen a Wikipedia article where the references are placed below the external links. They clearly belong above them. As you now have carte blanche to edit the article without direct interference from me, Evrik, I would implore you to improve rather worsen it. -- PageantUpdater • talk | contribs | esperanza 22:53, 12 February 2007 (UTC)