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[edit] Genre

I think it's a bit excessive to list three genres for one band. --Malathion 00:24, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I agree. Kamelot calles it's music melodic power metal [1]. I think we should stick to that.
Well, as far as it goes, they do incorporate themes from power metal, do not exibit any form of "Progressive Metal". Take the definition of the term "Progressive Metal", it mearly means experimenting in diffrent time signatures. Just take that into consideration.
                                                                  - Alex Legg

--Cristan June 28, 2005

I think the word "power metal" should link to the Article in stead of the reference. The source of this information can already be found at the references part, and I believe it isn't really that interesting.
I think that Kamelot has a lot more progressive and symphonic touches than pure power metal. I consider power metal to be stuff like Helloween and Blind Guardian, which sound much different than Kamelot. I think that the group IS power metal, but a couple more adjectives wouldn't hurt to help narrow down their sound.

Kamelot is much more than Power Metal, they have Goth, New Age, Prog...

As far as I know it's Symphonic Power metal but I could be wrong - --Neo256 15:00, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Most people and many reliable sources consider them prog/power so why is the progressive tag constantly being removed? (by one user I might add who keeps levaving me nonsense about nightwish on my talk pages and refuses to discuss the issue with any civility right here where it should be done) Also it is somewhat ridiculous to label something "melodic power metal" although I don't really have a problem to it if it is what they are commonly reffered to as, because power metal is by nature highly melodic.--E tac 04:30, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Just a few sites that refer to Kamelot as progressive

If Kamelot is prog metal, then Dream Theater, Queensrÿche, Tool and Rush are Power Metal bands... non sense. I can't even name one Kamelot song that is in the prog realm.
That logic makes zero sense and is totally incorrect except maybe Queensryche, they do have power metal elements especially in their earlier works--E tac 20:07, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
The best way would be to ask the band directly on its official forum at kamelot.com
What the band describes themself is is not very important. I only included the myspace link to point out that the above person citing what the band refers to themselves can't be used as the sole source--E tac 20:07, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
MySpace!! Simply because there is no "power metal" in the categories to choose from. Prog CAN be closer to power than Thrash. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.96.240.5 (talk • contribs).
And you don't have to list 3 categories on myspace the band chose to add progressive to their description as many other sources have and by your super exclusive definition of prog just leaving it at metal would make more sense if the band wasn't prog right?--E tac 20:07, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

As a result of the brewing edit war, I've filed a Request for comment. --Eyrian 20:32, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

And yet even that is still being removed by one of the two users who are page guarding without giving a valid reason as to why the info being submitted is incorrect.--E tac 00:00, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


It is not because some sites say that Kamelot is progressive that the band is. Which songs are progressive? Name one, then name 5 or 10... Even on myspace, there is no power metal option for band genres, and the closest to power is prog, because thrash is nowhere near, nor death, nor black metal. Websites are not 100% reliable. Listen to Kamelot well, and let me know where you hear prog in there.

Ever here of signing your posts? listen to the song "The Black Halo" or "Moonlight" or "Memento Mori" and show me another power metal band who writes songs like these. Did you bother reading about the myspace? If they didn't want to list prog they could have left it at just metal. The simple point is they incorporate a lot of progressive elements into their music for a power metal band and a reader of this artice should be informed of that. --E tac 00:12, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


I have to agree that Kamelot has a bit of progressive sounds/structures to its sound, especially on the last 2-3 albums (we will hear more on the next one), and that adding prog to its genre description could help to set them apart from the lot. Even Kamelot's power metal sound is none like, let's say, Gamma Ray, Blind Guardian or even Rhapsody (of fire......). I will even dare to say that the band could have a wee-bit of gothic to its lyrical theme, since, in general, power metal is uplifting and joyful, while kamelot sings more about sorrow, pain, sadness, loneliness, anger, and other dark things...... We could label it "...power metal band with progressive metal elements...." to have more emphasis on the "power" genre..... // on another note, I added the announcement made by the band about their upcoming music video and it is always being remeved. I feel that it should be left on the page so that everyone could know about it. Check out kamelot.com in the news section, it has been anounced on feb. 6th, for the song "Ghost Opera". --Necrolog 19:15, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


http://www.myspace.com/kamelot Not a reaible site do you even know if this is really run by the band? http://www.progarchives.com/Progressive_rock_discography_BAND.asp?band_id=1486 same here http://www.proggnosis.com/MUSIC_DBArtist.asp?txtArtistID=724 same here They are listing bands that have nothing to do with Prog Metal IE Epica, Nightwish just to name a few http://www.progressiveworld.net/html/modules.php?name=Reviews&rop=K Sorry no this is also bad site unless Epica you see they list Epica as Prog-Power metal. Know if we forget about the fact that they have no solos really in the CD and the fact that there music is not happy sure you can list them as that. It's just to bad they are not a prog metal band or a Power Metal band. So E-Tac when you list these site such as the ones you have. Look to see what other bands they are listing. Becuase they are listing bands that have nothing to do with either Power Metal or Prog Metal.

"The Black Halo" or "Moonlight" Both are Power Metal songs. Both using things that make up Power Metal. "Memento Mori" this falls into symphonic metal like Nightwish. So tell me who those site are a good place to get info when they keep listing bands that have nothing to do with either Power or Prog Metal.

Then tell me how Kamelot is Prog Metal. Because those sites are wrong wrong wrong. I can tell you right of the bat that they no nothing about Gothic Metal, Symphonic Metal, Death, or Black Metal. On top of that they no nothing about Nightwish, Epica, Within Temptation, or After Forever becuase I mean really those are all Prog Metal bands. So I'm supposed to trust those sites that can't even get the style that four bands that I listen to right. Pleae progarchives, proggnosis, and progressiveworld are jokes. turemetalfan Jan 7, 2007


Why are they jokes? because you say so? I suppose you are more knowledgable about this than many collaborators who specialize in the genre. "The Black Halo" is a power metal song? How many generic power metal bands write songs in 5/4?--E tac 00:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


When those four sites can't even tell a Power metal band from a symphoinc metal and Gothic Metal band yes I do know more then the people at progarchives, proggnosis, and progressiveworld. So stop listing them and stop telling people that these sites are right. They are not right they are wrong in everything they are doing. Within Temptation is not is not is not a Power-Prog metal band. They never have been they never well be they are Symphoinc Gothic metal. Nightwish has nothing to do with Prog Metal. And Epica does not have anything that that would put them in Power Metal or Prog. Yet the four sites you keep listing have them those three bands listed. So I'm supposed to trust them.

E-Tac have you even taken a look at those four sites and some of the bands the list? Have you ever even heard some of the bands. Have you listened to Within Temptation? I have and they are not part of the Prog Metal gerna. You keep listing Progmetal web sites run by people who would not even be able to tell a Death Metal band from a Power Metal band. If they could they would list Arch Enemy as a Prog Metal band. My god start looking at those sites more closely. And three songs do not a Prog Metal band make. You might also want to check lastfm.com to. truemetalfan

Maybe those bands are prog metal or contain many elements of it and that is why they are listed, those collaborators are certainly more qualified to make that decision then you, why don't you email each and everyone of them then and tell them how stupid they are and how you are the god of metal who knows more than they do. Where are your published writings by the way? They are certainly are MUCH more reliable then your own POV.
So now it is 3 songs? I thought it was zero now its 3? Many of the groups songs have progressive ellements according to you it was none? now it is 3? How did that all the sudden come to be. No it doesn't make them a pure progressive metal band ut it would make them a progressive power metal band. Why can't you show me a reliable source that says they ARE NOT progressive, not that just doesn't list them as such but that specificaly states that they are not, because many sources and commenters here have said they are progressive with noone but a few hyper elitest metal fans such as yourself challenging it.
And look http://www.last.fm/music/Kamelot says they are a progressive power metal band... I can't believe you are challenging the reliability of progarchives but telling me to look at last fm. --E tac 02:22, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
So you have removed it again without showing any proof that they are not despite much proof to the contrary.--E tac 02:40, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
I will take that as a you have never listended to Within Temptation, nor have you ever listened to Epica either. I can't believe you are challenging the reliability of progarchives>>> Becuase they are listing a band that has nothing to do with Prog Metal. Progarchives is nto a reliabe site. Nor is myspace, nor is http://www.progressiveworld.net, nor is http://www.proggnosis.com

And I have listed sites many times before. http://www.metal-archives.com/ http://www.metalstorm.ee/bands/band.php?band_id=136&bandname=Kamelot http://www.metal-observer.com/search.php?q=Kamelot&sa.x=0&sa.y=0 Very reliabe site that shows many differet bands and reviwes and shows what they are part of. http://www.metalmonk.co.uk/reviews/rev_0032.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Turemetalfan (talk • contribs) 03:07, 8 February 2007 (UTC).

Again those sites merely state that it is a power metal band which I am not disputing in the least bit, but they also blend that with progressive metal and have been refered to as that as well so both should be listed.--E tac 03:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A way to determine whether it's prog or not

Hi guys!

I came here through the request for comments page. I'm musicologist so perhaps it may help, don't know. (Forgive my english, it's not my mother tongue)

Well, I'm not familiar to Kamelot but the few I've heard has let me think of a standard power metal band. But I didn't heard enough to be defitive. However I know there are bands who can combine, progressiv, symphonic and powermetal a band like Adagio is a perfect example of this. Anyway this is actually very simple to determine whether this band has some prog traits or not: The prog aesthetic is generally characterised by a certain number of traits:

  • unconventional and complex song structures with massive architecture including many different sections and subsections
  • Hence the unusual lenght of the songs often exceding 7 minutes
  • The frequent use of unsual scales
  • the frequent use of complex harmony( such as the use of extended chords)not always though
  • The very frequent use of unsual time signatures (such as 5/4, 7/4, 7/8, etc..)
  • the very frequent change of different time signatures
  • frequent or occasional use of complex rhythms (such as Polyrhythm)
  • Emphasis on high instrumental technique

Now if some songs of Kamelot display several of these characterics (and most particularly the stuffs about the times signatures stuffs) then it can decently be regarded as prog at least partially.

Hope I've been of any use

Regards Frédérick Duhautpas 11:38, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Neo256> In my opinion the way it is presented at the moment it is perfect. Genre(s): Power metal - Progressive metal - Symphonic metal --Neo256 13:36, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ghost Opera video

--About the muic video for Ghost Opera, I took the info from the band's official website, which will be the first video for the upcoming album. The band has not mentioned any name for that album. --Necrolog 20:43, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rumors about Kamelot

--Since this is a factual website, unless there are sources for the material it doesn't really belong here. As a result, I have removed the "Love You To Death" music video reference (non-documented) from the Ghost Opera album and Kamelot pages. UnlivedPhalanx (talk) 15:41, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Avalon the name of a new live album?

I don't know where it came from that Kamelot has a new live album called Avalon, but I don't see anything on the internet that indicates that. I think we should remove it until there is any proof on the net.

From their website its called "One Cold Winter's Night"

[edit] Eternity

The "Eternity" link goes to an Anathema album; someone with insight should write an article on the Kamelot one, too (and a disambiguation page, of course).

[edit] The summery

I'm always looking at the Nightwish artical and trying to make it as impressive as that one. That's why I'm asking and going to try to make the first section before the biografie a bit bigger. --Neo256 15:03, 23 August 2006 (UTC)



Aspirat primo Fortuna labori Me duce tutus eris Vox populi vox Dei Ad majorem Dei gloriam... Ad infinitum

(translation: Fortune is smiling at our first effort, you will be safe with me as your leader the voice of the people is the voice of God For the greater glory of God... Forever.)

You know just who I am Don't be so distant 'cause When you're lost I am solely there to share your grief

chorus: Wailing your sorrow is only my way to comfort you Reminders of innocent youth Waiting for morrow you're lonely I name your solitude I speaketh the truth

Now tell me all about your pain Down to the detail Don't say it's love Your fragile heart feeds my contempt

(chorus)

Chase the heathen call We belong...you and I Unison in all you deny

(chorus)

I am the thorn in your side That seeks accomplishment Reminding the mortal of death I am the spore of your pride An angel heavensent The master of all I am the urge of the flesh

[edit] Musical style/sound section?

This seems common on many other band articles, and with all the prog vs. power arguments, it would seem like the article that could use more info on how the band actually sounds. Googleaseerch 01:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


Well I feel power metal isnt the correct genre to classifie such an amazing band as Kamelot. I beleive that it should be a gothic metal/ or so a symphonic metal if that makes sense. It is a very whymisical sound, yet its go thtat industrial not so death metal sound. It is what I would call pretty amazing. But of course Im aprt of the sea of many with an opinion. Who knows hopfully they wont change their genre to much, they seem to be on a role in my eyes!

From the "Brooksinator" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.39.79.250 (talk) 17:55, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Kamelot.com's page-introduction states following: American progressive metal band. They are progressive metal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.23.199 (talk) 16:25, 26 November 2007 (UTC)