Talk:Kamchatka Oblast

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[edit] Is Kamchatska a varient spelling of Kamchatka?

I proposed the varient spelling on the basis of three pieces of evidence all of which can be disputed. First, I noticed this IRC conversion on #wikipedia:

<node_ue> Nick: The most widely-accepted theory among experts is that the

Ainu, Nivkh, Chukchi, and other indigenous peoples of the Kamchatska

Peninsula are all related and perhaps remnants of an earlier

population

Being curious, I went in search of "Kamchatska" on Wikipedia, only to find one reference in Wikipedia (my second piece of evidence). Later, when I discovered "Kamchatka" and found it was the more common term, I subsequently changed that single Wikipedia occurrence to the Kamchatka as you, and virtually everyone else, favors.

Anyway, I went back to #wikipedia to ask about this inconsistency:

<emRick> node_ue: I was looking up Kamchatska in Wikipedia but only found

Kamchatka. Am I correct in assuming that Kamchatska is a (less

common) alternate spelling of Kamchatka?

<emRick> node_ue: I also noticed a few occurences of Kamchatska on google but

thousands of Kamchatka

<node_ue> emrick: not sure

<node_ue> I always have troubles with that

<bumm13> but that was at a university...

<node_ue> Whenever I would write articles on Ainu topics, I'd say kamchatska

only to later have to replace it with kamchatka

So, true, this is hardly sterling evidence.

Anyway, as my third piece of dubious evidence, google did find 86 distinct webpages (up to 144 pages including repeats). Many of these webpages include both the Kamchatka and Kamchatska spellings. This seems a bit too many to simply be a frequent spelling mistake (unless there's a strong urge to type "-ska" in all things Russian?). So, I drew the debatable conclusion that some other dialect or language in Russia uses Kamchatska; after all, Russia has some many languages and conflicting historical tendencies.

Anyway, I suggest the following steps:

• instead of entirely deleting Kamchatska in Kamchatka, rather, comment out my alternate spelling
  • ie, use <!-- ... -->
• include a request for evidence/refutation in this comment
• for now, leave in the two redirects that I added (ie Kamchatska and Kamchatska Peninsula)

Sound good to you? (I'm just trying to be helpful and "Be Bold" and am open to correction.) WpZurp 13:46, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Wow, you did get me intrigued there. You are right, there is a good possibility that "Kamchatska" is most likely a spelling variant in one of the local dialects. It probably would be a good idea to comment it out for now, but I will certainly try to research this when I have time. I will also copy this discussion to Kamchatka talk page to be referred to when commenting out your change. The redirects should be fine, after all, even if it is a typo, it is not an uncommon one.--Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 14:01, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)

I've just realized that "Kamchatska" can actually be a broken version of "Kamchatskaya Oblast" ("Камчатская область" in Russian). This is translated as "Kamchatka Oblast", but the "-aya" ending sometimes tends to be dropped out by people who do not know Russian (it is easier to pronounce this way), thus making it into "Kamchatska". If this is the case, "Kamchatska" would be incorrect, and it would also explain the unusually large number of hits (for a simple typo). I will still look into the local dialects version though.--Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 14:23, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)

Well, I was unable to find any confirmation that "Kamchatska" name has any local ethnic origins. My guess is still that it's an (incorrectly) abbreviated version of "Kamchatskaya". The "Kamchatska" reference should probably be removed altogether. Please leave a note here if you find out any information confirming otherwise.--Ëzhiki (erinaceus europeaus) 15:29, Aug 23, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Map not showing the Kamchatka Oblast!

The map seems to show the Kamchatka peninsula, which also includes Koryakia. It should only show the oblast. Can someone please confirm fix this? You can copy the correct map from de:.

Please also note that other Wikipedias like ja: having the wrong map. --Head June 30, 2005 19:14 (UTC)

I have edited the Kamchatka Peninsula map to show only the Oblast, and have uploaded it. It's a bit poorly done, so I'll leave the Peninsula map here if anyone wants to do a better job at it. Note that it seems that the map at de: was created in a similar fashion, and can be seen to be a bit dodgy like this one. Seeaxid 06:54, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vladimir Atlasov

Here it says:

Far away from the eye of their masters, the Cossacks mercilessly ruled the indigenous Kamchadal. Excesses were such that the North West Administration in Yakutsk sent Atlasov with the authority (and the cannons) to restore government order, but it was too late.

But other sources suggest that Atlasov himself responsible for many of the abuses. He reportedly ordered villages to be burnt down if local people refused to pay taxes, and treated the indigenous communities brutally. Chamdarae 21:23, 20 August 2005 (UTC)